Re: [OSM-dev] Looking for OSM Licensing Clarification
Joel, please stop trolling. Richard gave you a clear answer, much more polite than I would ever be, pointing out: a) it really depends on the particulars of your point (2) b) this is the completely wrong place for such a discussion Simon Am 20.10.2014 04:09, schrieb Joel ...: Understood. My use case is prohibited. Remove the deception on the wiki.openstreetmap.com front page. It does not help the business because businesses succeed by way of customer service, respecting others, showing diginty, respect and morals. To refresh your memory, the first few lines of the page reads: *Welcome to OpenStreetMap*, the project that creates and distributes free http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright geographic data for the world. We started it because most maps you think of as free actually have legal or technical restrictions on their use, holding back people from using them in creative, productive, or unexpected ways. Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 21:35:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] Looking for OSM Licensing Clarification From: rich...@weait.com To: audiof...@outlook.com CC: dev@openstreetmap.org The OpenStreetMap license ODbL is what is known as a Share Alike license. In that class of licenses, one is granted more permissions when one shares and shares alike. If, on the other hand, one wishes to keep things for ones exclusive benefit, ones permissions are more limited, perhaps even to a null set. Again, in very broad terms, one has more freedom if one uses the OpenStreetMap data without changing it. Combining OpenStreetMap data with other non-OpenStreetMap data sets, is an area where the obligations to share are deliberately strong. The details matter in this subject area, and it is a benefit for you to understand your obligations from the start. Please consider giving more details and holding further discussion on the legal-talk@ mailing list[1], which is the ideal location for this topic. [1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Looking for OSM Licensing Clarification
I think I miss-read what was meant on the OSM front page. It reads We started it because most maps you think of as free actually have legal or technical restrictions on their use, holding back people from using them in creative, productive, or unexpected ways. The closest use case I'm wanting OSM for is along the lines of routing and turn-by-turn application. Does the license OSM is using permit people to: 1) download OSM data into a local database2) combine (locally, not uploaded to OSM) additional free data-sets having compatible licenses3) Leverage proprietary for a fee use data that is not saved, but with compatible licenses4) Develop a new proprietary algorithms that utilizes said data5) Develop a new proprietary user interface for said data and algorithms with OSM branding/crediting displayed on said interface6) Earn money from the user interface7) Keep the finished product that also contains OSM private. I'm looking to avoid giving some other potential business person or company a copy of what I created. The more I read the OSM license, the more confused I became after possibly miss-understanding the heading of the front page of openstreetmap.com. How do you determine if my use case is accepted according to the license OSM is using? In http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/1.0/ Chapter 4 the license discusses Derivate Database. It makes a reference to Publicly Convey this Database. Convey in the dictionary reads transport or carry to a place. Does Chapter 4 mean my use case is approved of for that particular chapter since I am using the data in an app apposed to exposing the database as an offering in its entirety? ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Looking for OSM Licensing Clarification
The OpenStreetMap license ODbL is what is known as a Share Alike license. In that class of licenses, one is granted more permissions when one shares and shares alike. If, on the other hand, one wishes to keep things for ones exclusive benefit, ones permissions are more limited, perhaps even to a null set. Again, in very broad terms, one has more freedom if one uses the OpenStreetMap data without changing it. Combining OpenStreetMap data with other non-OpenStreetMap data sets, is an area where the obligations to share are deliberately strong. The details matter in this subject area, and it is a benefit for you to understand your obligations from the start. Please consider giving more details and holding further discussion on the legal-talk@ mailing list[1], which is the ideal location for this topic. [1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Looking for OSM Licensing Clarification
Understood. My use case is prohibited. Remove the deception on the wiki.openstreetmap.com front page. It does not help the business because businesses succeed by way of customer service, respecting others, showing diginty, respect and morals. To refresh your memory, the first few lines of the page reads: Welcome to OpenStreetMap, the project that creates and distributes free geographic data for the world. We started it because most maps you think of as free actually have legal or technical restrictions on their use, holding back people from using them in creative, productive, or unexpected ways. Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 21:35:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] Looking for OSM Licensing Clarification From: rich...@weait.com To: audiof...@outlook.com CC: dev@openstreetmap.org The OpenStreetMap license ODbL is what is known as a Share Alike license. In that class of licenses, one is granted more permissions when one shares and shares alike. If, on the other hand, one wishes to keep things for ones exclusive benefit, ones permissions are more limited, perhaps even to a null set. Again, in very broad terms, one has more freedom if one uses the OpenStreetMap data without changing it. Combining OpenStreetMap data with other non-OpenStreetMap data sets, is an area where the obligations to share are deliberately strong. The details matter in this subject area, and it is a benefit for you to understand your obligations from the start. Please consider giving more details and holding further discussion on the legal-talk@ mailing list[1], which is the ideal location for this topic. [1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Looking for OSM Licensing Clarification
I am surprised at Joel's summarization that the 7 step use case he listed in his original email is prohibited. If I were to show flight schedules obtained from flightstats.com on an OSM map from mapbox, will that be prohibited under odbl? What if I independently collect otherwise purchase data for open and close hours for a merchant store and show all that on a MapQuest open map? In both use cases above, I will have to take at least place coordinates, bounding boxes and also tags from OSM. Is that prohibited? Thanks. On Oct 19, 2014 9:10 PM, Joel ... audiof...@outlook.com wrote: Understood. My use case is prohibited. Remove the deception on the wiki.openstreetmap.com front page. It does not help the business because businesses succeed by way of customer service, respecting others, showing diginty, respect and morals. To refresh your memory, the first few lines of the page reads: *Welcome to OpenStreetMap*, the project that creates and distributes free http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright geographic data for the world. We started it because most maps you think of as free actually have legal or technical restrictions on their use, holding back people from using them in creative, productive, or unexpected ways. Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 21:35:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] Looking for OSM Licensing Clarification From: rich...@weait.com To: audiof...@outlook.com CC: dev@openstreetmap.org The OpenStreetMap license ODbL is what is known as a Share Alike license. In that class of licenses, one is granted more permissions when one shares and shares alike. If, on the other hand, one wishes to keep things for ones exclusive benefit, ones permissions are more limited, perhaps even to a null set. Again, in very broad terms, one has more freedom if one uses the OpenStreetMap data without changing it. Combining OpenStreetMap data with other non-OpenStreetMap data sets, is an area where the obligations to share are deliberately strong. The details matter in this subject area, and it is a benefit for you to understand your obligations from the start. Please consider giving more details and holding further discussion on the legal-talk@ mailing list[1], which is the ideal location for this topic. [1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
