Re: 10000 msgs limit per session

2010-01-21 Thread Virgoss
Returning to the main topic of the thread. Here is a message by Gordon Sim from the other thread: In AMQP 0-10 there are two levels of acknowledgement. The first involves accepting the message and your example code does that through the _session.messageAccept(_range); requests. Additionally

Re: Accepting large contributions (was Re: 10000 msgs limit per session)

2009-12-05 Thread James Mansion
Rajith Attapattu wrote: IMO it's not a very accurate picture. Well, we can debate whether the assortment of protocol support levels actually has that affect, but its not really important. Having said that, there would still be quite a bit of work maintaining them and we would need an

Embeddable Protocol Engine (was Re: Accepting large contributions (was Re: 10000 msgs limit per session))

2009-12-04 Thread Rafael Schloming
Aidan Skinner wrote: On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:11 PM, James Mansion ja...@mansionfamily.plus.com wrote: Aidan Skinner wrote: It's particularly important where we're importing something which duplicates (fully or partially) existing functionality, if only so that the situation is sufficiently

Re: Embeddable Protocol Engine (was Re: Accepting large contributions (was Re: 10000 msgs limit per session))

2009-12-04 Thread Rajith Attapattu
A huge +1. I mooted this idea a looong time ago :) As mentioned at that time Apache Axis2/C project used this strategy to successfully support web services APIs for a number of languages. They had the core protocol engine written in C and then swig bindings for c++, python, ruby, javascript, php

Re: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-12-04 Thread Carl Trieloff
From the user perspective, we basically need a messaging solution, which is a)robust b)have a nice dotnet client for Windows c)have a nice C++ client for Linux. I believe, this is the most common scenario imaginable. Everything else, like Mono compliance or fanciness of WCF are somewhat

Re: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-12-04 Thread Rajith Attapattu
Hey Great work in committing the patches. I see Julian had submitted another patch. Thanks for coaxing him to work with Qpid again. Looking at the volume of the patches it seems he cares about the C# client quite a bit. It would be great if you could persuade him to be the owner/maintainer for

Re: Accepting large contributions (was Re: 10000 msgs limit per session)

2009-12-04 Thread James Mansion
Aidan Skinner wrote: On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:11 PM, James Mansion ja...@mansionfamily.plus.com wrote: Eh, I don't really want to get rid of the actively maintained clients we already have. In particular, Java and C# derive enormous benefits from purely managed code in terms of portability,

Re: Accepting large contributions (was Re: 10000 msgs limit per session)

2009-12-04 Thread Rajith Attapattu
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 4:18 PM, James Mansion ja...@mansionfamily.plus.com wrote: Aidan Skinner wrote: On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:11 PM, James Mansion ja...@mansionfamily.plus.com wrote:  Eh, I don't really want to get rid of the actively maintained clients we already have. In particular,

RE: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-12-03 Thread Alexei Sosin
Rafael Schlomingwrote: To reiterate Aidan's point from a few emails ago, a quick look at JIRA for the dotnet component[1] reveals a large number of patches that have sat neglected for six months. This is really shockingly bad and puts another spin on all the there is no interest in

Accepting large contributions (was Re: 10000 msgs limit per session)

2009-12-03 Thread Aidan Skinner
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Carl Trieloff cctriel...@redhat.com wrote: If there are a  lot of devs/ users that want it that and put the effort in to build such a thing and maintain it, for example create a c++ shim for JMS for RDMA/IB. And a strong community forms then why not? I.e.

Re: Accepting large contributions (was Re: 10000 msgs limit per session)

2009-12-03 Thread Rajith Attapattu
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Aidan Skinner aidan.skin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Carl Trieloff cctriel...@redhat.com wrote: If there are a  lot of devs/ users that want it that and put the effort in to build such a thing and maintain it, for example create a c++

Re: Accepting large contributions (was Re: 10000 msgs limit per session)

2009-12-03 Thread James Mansion
Aidan Skinner wrote: It's particularly important where we're importing something which duplicates (fully or partially) existing functionality, if only so that the situation is sufficiently clear to people trying to make an informed decision about what best suits their needs. Perhaps the QPID

Re: Accepting large contributions (was Re: 10000 msgs limit per session)

2009-12-03 Thread Aidan Skinner
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:11 PM, James Mansion ja...@mansionfamily.plus.com wrote: Aidan Skinner wrote: It's particularly important where we're importing something which duplicates (fully or partially) existing functionality, if only so that the situation is sufficiently clear to people

Re: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-12-02 Thread Robert Greig
2009/12/2 Rafael Schloming rafa...@redhat.com: If your goal is to deliver a robust .NET client on a single platform in a short timeframe going down a non-managed hybrid route doesn't to me appear unreasonable. I don't think anyone has said that its an unreasonable approach if you only care

Re: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-12-02 Thread Robert Greig
2009/12/2 Aidan Skinner aidan.skin...@gmail.com: Well, discounting myself (I have a half-baked^Wimplemented system to manage my music using AMQP and Banshee), it's shipped in downstream distros (eg. SLES10) and there was an effort to implement System.Messaging for Mono on top of Qpid but that

Re: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-12-02 Thread Aidan Skinner
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Robert Greig robert.j.gr...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/2 Aidan Skinner aidan.skin...@gmail.com: Well, discounting myself (I have a half-baked^Wimplemented system to manage my music using AMQP and Banshee), it's shipped in downstream distros (eg. SLES10) and there

Re: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-12-02 Thread Robert Greig
2009/12/2 Aidan Skinner aidan.skin...@gmail.com: But not enough demand for it to translate into any emails to our dev lists asking for assistance (as far as I can recall). Memories are fallible things. Search works much better. It's amazing what you find. I think you know perfectly well I

Re: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-12-02 Thread Aidan Skinner
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Robert Greig robert.j.gr...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/2 Aidan Skinner aidan.skin...@gmail.com: But not enough demand for it to translate into any emails to our dev lists asking for assistance (as far as I can recall). Memories are fallible things. Search works

Re: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-12-02 Thread Rafael Schloming
Robert Godfrey wrote: 2009/12/3 Aidan Skinner aidan.skin...@gmail.com On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Robert Greig robert.j.gr...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/2 Aidan Skinner aidan.skin...@gmail.com: But not enough demand for it to translate into any emails to our dev lists asking for

Re: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-12-02 Thread Rajith Attapattu
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Rafael Schloming rafa...@redhat.com wrote: Robert Godfrey wrote: 2009/12/3 Aidan Skinner aidan.skin...@gmail.com On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Robert Greig robert.j.gr...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/2 Aidan Skinner aidan.skin...@gmail.com: But not enough

Re: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-12-02 Thread Rajith Attapattu
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Rafael Schloming rafa...@redhat.com wrote: Rajith Attapattu wrote: The patches got neglected probably bcos we don't have an owner for the .NET implementation. Tomas who contributed the initial stuff and Arnaud who did the subsequent stuff are no longer with

RE: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-12-01 Thread Cliff Jansen (Interop Systems Inc)
-Original Message- From: Robert Greig [mailto:robert.j.gr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:44 AM To: dev@qpid.apache.org Subject: Re: 1 msgs limit per session 2009/11/30 Rafael Schloming rafa...@redhat.com: I'm not sure the stuff Cliff is working on (useful

Re: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-12-01 Thread Rafael Schloming
Robert Greig wrote: 2009/11/30 Rafael Schloming rafa...@redhat.com: I have no doubt that a suitably motivated individual could get this stuff working on mono, and even make it production ready. The tricky part is finding enough suitably motivated individuals to do this and to keep fixing it

Re: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-12-01 Thread Robert Greig
2009/12/1 Rafael Schloming rafa...@redhat.com: I think the point for this thread is that if it is windows-only then it isn't really a substitute for the existing dotnet clients which work (in as much as they have ever worked) on mono. Well that assumes that running on mono is a goal? Do we

Re: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-12-01 Thread Robert Godfrey
2009/12/1 Robert Greig robert.j.gr...@gmail.com 2009/12/1 Rafael Schloming rafa...@redhat.com: I think the point for this thread is that if it is windows-only then it isn't really a substitute for the existing dotnet clients which work (in as much as they have ever worked) on mono.

Re: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-12-01 Thread Robert Greig
2009/12/1 Robert Godfrey rob.j.godf...@gmail.com: IKVM is a way of running Java. I have no idea whether IKVM implements enough of the JDK libraries to enable the Qpid Java client to run under it but let's assume for the moment that it does. Further, let us assume that some important change in

Re: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-12-01 Thread Carl Trieloff
Robert Godfrey wrote: 2009/12/1 Robert Greig robert.j.gr...@gmail.com 2009/12/1 Rafael Schloming rafa...@redhat.com: I think the point for this thread is that if it is windows-only then it isn't really a substitute for the existing dotnet clients which work (in as much

Re: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-12-01 Thread Rafael Schloming
Robert Greig wrote: 2009/12/1 Robert Godfrey rob.j.godf...@gmail.com: IKVM is a way of running Java. I have no idea whether IKVM implements enough of the JDK libraries to enable the Qpid Java client to run under it but let's assume for the moment that it does. Further, let us assume that some

Re: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-12-01 Thread Aidan Skinner
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Robert Greig robert.j.gr...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/1 Rafael Schloming rafa...@redhat.com: I think the point for this thread is that if it is windows-only then it isn't really a substitute for the existing dotnet clients which work (in as much as they have

RE: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-12-01 Thread Cliff Jansen (Interop Systems Inc)
Robert Greig wrote: I can see that it would be nice to have a completely managed code .NET library (for example, I think you need to be fully managed to support one click deployment?). However I can also see that leveraging the existing C++ codebase is very attractive since the core of it has

Re: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-11-30 Thread Carl Trieloff
Sounds like a bug, which version of .NET client are you using? Carl. Alexei Sosin wrote: I noted that there is a limitation in .Net client, to receive 10 000 messages only per session. Client just stops receiving them after this number has passed. Digging into the 0-10 client code, there

Re: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-11-30 Thread Alan Conway
On 11/30/2009 06:14 AM, Alexei Sosin wrote: I noted that there is a limitation in .Net client, to receive 10 000 messages only per session. Client just stops receiving them after this number has passed. Digging into the 0-10 client code, there is a line in ClientSession.cs:

RE: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-11-30 Thread Alexei Sosin
@qpid.apache.org Cc: Cliff Jansen (Interop Systems Inc) Subject: Re: 1 msgs limit per session Sounds like a bug, which version of .NET client are you using? Carl. Alexei Sosin wrote: I noted that there is a limitation in .Net client, to receive 10 000 messages only per session. Client just

Re: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-11-30 Thread Carl Trieloff
Systems Inc) Subject: Re: 1 msgs limit per session Sounds like a bug, which version of .NET client are you using? Carl. Alexei Sosin wrote: I noted that there is a limitation in .Net client, to receive 10 000 messages only per session. Client just stops receiving them after

Re: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-11-30 Thread Rafael Schloming
Alan Conway wrote: On 11/30/2009 06:14 AM, Alexei Sosin wrote: I noted that there is a limitation in .Net client, to receive 10 000 messages only per session. Client just stops receiving them after this number has passed. Digging into the 0-10 client code, there is a line in

RE: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-11-30 Thread Alexei Sosin
: 1 msgs limit per session On 11/30/2009 06:14 AM, Alexei Sosin wrote: I noted that there is a limitation in .Net client, to receive 10 000 messages only per session. Client just stops receiving them after this number has passed. Digging into the 0-10 client code, there is a line

RE: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-11-30 Thread Alexei Sosin
from. From: Carl Trieloff [mailto:cctriel...@redhat.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 4:12 PM To: Alexei Sosin Cc: dev@qpid.apache.org Subject: Re: 1 msgs limit per session The old 0-10 version that is pure .NET (0.5) or the updated version that Cliff has been working extensively

Re: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-11-30 Thread Rafael Schloming
Carl Trieloff wrote: The old 0-10 version that is pure .NET (0.5) or the updated version that Cliff has been working extensively on (coming in 0.6 from trunk)? Sorry if this is confusing, we should deprecate the old one from the source tree... I'm not sure the stuff Cliff is working on

Re: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-11-30 Thread Carl Trieloff
Aidan Skinner wrote: On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Carl Trieloff cctriel...@redhat.com wrote: The old 0-10 version that is pure .NET (0.5) or the updated version that Cliff has been working extensively on (coming in 0.6 from trunk)? Sorry if this is confusing, we should deprecate the old

Re: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-11-30 Thread Rafael Schloming
Robert Greig wrote: 2009/11/30 Robert Godfrey rob.j.godf...@gmail.com: I'm not sure how useful a metric this is as I would argue that none of our .net clients have been completely production ready (as Rafi pointed out earlier). That must be a contender for the understatement of the month

Re: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-11-30 Thread Robert Greig
2009/11/30 Rafael Schloming rafa...@redhat.com: What I meant specifically was that you don't seem to have direct control over creating, sending, receiving, or acknowledging messages. These would seem to be something the framework does for you based off of a combination of metadata and

Re: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-11-30 Thread Robert Greig
2009/11/30 Rafael Schloming rafa...@redhat.com: I have no doubt that a suitably motivated individual could get this stuff working on mono, and even make it production ready. The tricky part is finding enough suitably motivated individuals to do this and to keep fixing it when it breaks. Given

Re: 10000 msgs limit per session

2009-11-30 Thread Robert Greig
2009/11/30 Robert Greig robert.j.gr...@gmail.com: I think this is a good point. In my opinion MSFT didn't do a great job of System.Messaging when they first did it (i.e. long before WCF) because it was very tightly coupled to MSMQ so there isn't really a decent non-implementation-specific