Re: [racket-dev] "Add Teachpack" dialog can be very confusing

2013-04-01 Thread Stephen Bloch
On Apr 1, 2013, at 3:43 PM, Robby Findler wrote: > On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Stephen Bloch wrote: > > > Also, WeScheme just provides graphics libraries by default, which is > > another option we could consider. > > Bad idea; somebody might want to teach with his/her own version of the

Re: [racket-dev] "Add Teachpack" dialog can be very confusing

2013-04-01 Thread John Clements
On Apr 1, 2013, at 6:45 AM, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: > I don't see why middle school students would have more trouble with > `require` than with any other aspect of the system. > > Also, WeScheme just provides graphics libraries by default, which is > another option we could consider. Would i

Re: [racket-dev] "Add Teachpack" dialog can be very confusing

2013-04-01 Thread Robby Findler
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Stephen Bloch wrote: > > On Apr 1, 2013, at 9:45 AM, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: > > > I don't see why middle school students would have more trouble with > > `require` than with any other aspect of the system. > > I tend to agree with Sam on this one. I haven't t

Re: [racket-dev] "Add Teachpack" dialog can be very confusing

2013-04-01 Thread Eli Barzilay
Two hours ago, Stephen Bloch wrote: > > I tend to agree with Sam on this one. I haven't taught 12-year-old > middle school students, but if they can handle (ellipse 50 30 > "solid" "purple"), surely they can handle a boilerplate (require > picturing-programs) or (require 2htdp/image). It could b

Re: [racket-dev] "Add Teachpack" dialog can be very confusing

2013-04-01 Thread Stephen Bloch
On Apr 1, 2013, at 9:45 AM, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: > I don't see why middle school students would have more trouble with > `require` than with any other aspect of the system. I tend to agree with Sam on this one. I haven't taught 12-year-old middle school students, but if they can handle

Re: [racket-dev] "Add Teachpack" dialog can be very confusing

2013-04-01 Thread Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
I don't see why middle school students would have more trouble with `require` than with any other aspect of the system. Also, WeScheme just provides graphics libraries by default, which is another option we could consider. On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Matthias Felleisen wrote: > > Tell 12 yea

Re: [racket-dev] "Add Teachpack" dialog can be very confusing

2013-04-01 Thread Matthias Felleisen
Tell 12 year old middle school students. On Mar 31, 2013, at 9:15 PM, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: > I said this to you in person, but I continue to think that 2htdp should just > do away with the concept of teachpacks, and just use the require form always. > Even today, it could insert a requ

Re: [racket-dev] "Add Teachpack" dialog can be very confusing

2013-03-31 Thread Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
I said this to you in person, but I continue to think that 2htdp should just do away with the concept of teachpacks, and just use the require form always. Even today, it could insert a require instead of modifying hidden state. Sam On Mar 31, 2013 6:45 PM, "Matthias Felleisen" wrote: > > Correct

Re: [racket-dev] "Add Teachpack" dialog can be very confusing

2013-03-31 Thread Matthias Felleisen
Correct, and we have run into this "image" problem for a while now. I think the most important improvements are: 1. to swap the teachpack menus for 2e and 1e 2. to increase the titles of all three panes so that it becomes clear what you are dealing with Eventually the pane for 1e should bec

[racket-dev] "Add Teachpack" dialog can be very confusing

2013-03-23 Thread Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
Opening up the "Add Teachpack" dialog presents the user with two lists of libraries, which overlap in exactly one case: "image.ss". This makes it very easy for the user to choose the old image.ss library when working with HtDP2e. Further, there's no indication in DrRacket as to which one of these w