Re: Struts release process is broken (Re: [VOTE] Struts Action Framework v1.3.4 Quality)

2006-05-14 Thread Paul Benedict
Don, >> Then, once the release is out, people nitpick through it finding >> issues to shoot it down (and yes, a beta is as good as a killed >> release because it doesn't get out to the users in an public, >> accessible location). I must be one of the folk guilty of nit-picking :) But honestly,

Re: [Action2] STATUS - Documentation

2006-05-14 Thread Ted Husted
I've trudged through the pages that were linked to the "home" page. I'm now wrapping up the remaining xx pages that were not linked in anywhere. Most of these cover the various Interceptor and Result Types. A lot of the pages utilize the snippet macro, and so the next step would be to review the J

Re: [Action2] STATUS - Documentation

2006-05-14 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/14/06, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * http://opensource.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/ I thought this would default to the dashboard, but it doesn't. Insted, try * http://opensource.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/dashboard.action -Ted. -

Re: Struts release process is broken (Re: [VOTE] Struts Action Framework v1.3.4 Quality)

2006-05-14 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/14/06, Don Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If, in six months with 100% dedicated committers willing to do whatever it takes and a codebase that is stable and proven, we can't push out a GA release, we have a serious problem. First, six months of effort would be a record. Typically, the pr

Re: [VOTE] Struts Action Framework v1.3.4 Quality

2006-05-14 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/13/06, Wendy Smoak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Issue STR-2876 is open for the missing Tiles 1.1 DTD registration, and I'll start a release plan for version 1.3.5. (Would anyone like to volunteer as release manager?) The rest of May is booked, but I could make time in the beginning of June,

Re: Struts release process is broken (Re: [VOTE] Struts Action Framework v1.3.4 Quality)

2006-05-14 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/14/06, Don Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: yes, a beta is as good as a killed release because it doesn't get out to the users in an public, accessible location). Ummm, we can submit a Beta for general circulation and mirroring. Right now, today, we're doing that with the Shale *Alpha*. *

Re: Struts release process is broken (Re: [VOTE] Struts Action Framework v1.3.4 Quality)

2006-05-14 Thread Wendy Smoak
On 5/14/06, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If it helps, I'd say we could we could even announce the next distribution as * "Stuts Action 1.3.5 Beta (release candidate)". (Given the votes, of course.) I think the only thing that's broken is the notion that a Beta is not a Release Candid

Re: [VOTE] Struts Action Framework v1.3.4 Quality

2006-05-14 Thread Wendy Smoak
On 5/13/06, Paul Benedict <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For this reason, I believe tiles and scripting should not belong with the struts distribution. I've tried to view them as part of the core product (which the examples and taglib align to), but I can't force myself to believe they are really 1.

Re: [VOTE] Struts Action Framework v1.3.4 Quality

2006-05-14 Thread Paul Benedict
Wendy, the only reason I bring this up (and the only reason), is because I believe the Tiles DTD that has plagued 1.3.4 is a symptom of the decision. Listen to this logic: By making branding Tiles a 1.3.x version, we are directly tying the product to struts. That implies it is only for Struts, an

Re: [VOTE] Struts Action Framework v1.3.4 Quality

2006-05-14 Thread Wendy Smoak
On 5/14/06, Paul Benedict <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Listen to this logic: By making branding Tiles a 1.3.x version, we are directly tying the product to struts. That implies it is only for Struts, and that's not true. Struts Tiles *is* tied directly to Struts Action -- look at the dependency

Re: [VOTE] Struts Action Framework v1.3.4 Quality

2006-05-14 Thread Paul Benedict
Wendy, +1 on picking apart my argument :) Thanks for clearing things up for me; I apologize for missing the obvious fact that this isn't Standalone Tiles. I got lost in my philosophy! Thanks again :) --- Wendy Smoak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/14/06, Paul Benedict <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: [ANN] Struts BOF Wednesday, 5:30 PM, at JavaOne in the Pavilion

2006-05-14 Thread Peter Pilgrim
Hi Don Do you need a Javaone conference badge to get into the Pavillion? I wanted to invite another developer to the BOF? Also is there any going on the Thirsty Bear this year 2006. I remember you all last year. By the way I am in San Francisco now. "peter dot pilgrim @gmail.com" ---

Meet Up in San Francisco 2006

2006-05-14 Thread Peter Pilgrim
Hi Guys I just here in San Francisco. Is there a beer-drinking birds-of-feather planned for the Struts / WebWork developer at Java One 2006? I know last year and the year before that it was all happening at the Thirsty Bear. - P

Re: Struts release process is broken (Re: [VOTE] Struts Action Framework v1.3.4 Quality)

2006-05-14 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/14/06, Wendy Smoak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'd rather not re-introduce the term "release candidate" at this point, especially not in combination with 'Beta'. Under our current guidelines, a Beta *is* a release. And, so is an Alpha. And we can distribute any release - Alpha, Beta, or GA

Re: Meet Up in San Francisco 2006

2006-05-14 Thread Don Brown
There was talk about the Geronimo party, afterwards at the W. Otherwise, Tuesday evening at the Thirsty Bear after the blogger meetup would work nicely. The "beer-drinking" bof is traditionally organized by Van, and he's been pretty busy lately. Don Peter Pilgrim wrote: Hi Guys I just here

Re: [ANN] Struts BOF Wednesday, 5:30 PM, at JavaOne in the Pavilion

2006-05-14 Thread Don Brown
Peter Pilgrim wrote: Hi Don Do you need a Javaone conference badge to get into the Pavillion? You do need at least a Pavilion badge, which are $100 good only for one day IIRC. Don I wanted to invite another developer to the BOF? Also is there any going on the Thirsty Bear this year 200

Re: [Action2] STATUS - Documentation

2006-05-14 Thread Patrick Lightbody
The snippet macro is updated. You can use URLs in the following format: org.struts.apache.action2. (links directly to a class in the _core_ module only) action2/... (links from the root of the action2 trunk) We'll need to get all references to the webwork snippets switched over as the next

Re: [Action2] STATUS - Documentation

2006-05-14 Thread Patrick Lightbody
We won't be able to use Atlassian's public server - our stuff is just too heavy duty. Contegix (not Contegrix :P) might be interested to help, but I imagine they would probably feel more interested if they were in a position that was more than just an emergency/temporary storage location (eg: of

Re: Struts release process is broken (Re: [VOTE] Struts Action Framework v1.3.4 Quality)

2006-05-14 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Unless I'm mistaken, the votes I've always seen come up have three choices: mark a release alpha, beta or GA. This would seem to be the cause of the "problem" with the process to me because it in effect allows the process to be "short circuited", i.e., a newly-rolled release could be marked GA

Re: [PROPOSAL] Separate lists for notifications vs. discussion

2006-05-14 Thread Patrick Lightbody
It looks like this is now basically done (the JIRA issue is complete). The final step will be to unsubscribe the address [EMAIL PROTECTED] from all lists except for the dev@ list. That will keep the forums synced on the OpenSymphony forums limited to just the discussions. I was trying to figure

Re: [Action2] STATUS - Documentation

2006-05-14 Thread tm jee
Lovely. Thx Pat. - Original Message From: Patrick Lightbody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: dev@struts.apache.org Sent: Monday, 15 May, 2006 1:56:51 AM Subject: Re: [Action2] STATUS - Documentation The snippet macro is updated. You can use URLs in the following format: org.struts.apache.actio

Re: Meet Up in San Francisco 2006

2006-05-14 Thread Peter Pilgrim
> There was talk about the Geronimo party, afterwards > at the W. > Otherwise, Tuesday evening at the Thirsty Bear after > the blogger meetup > would work nicely. The "beer-drinking" bof is > traditionally organized > by Van, and he's been pretty busy lately. > The Geronimo party. Who is orga

[Action2] Dojo 0.30 released... Time for an update?

2006-05-14 Thread Rainer Hermanns
Hey, just saw that Dojo released version 0.30. Our Dojo support in SAF/WW 2.2.x is currently based on the "outdated" 0.21 release. Shouldn't we update the embedded Dojo release and try to get our ajax tags running again properly? It sounds like lots of problems with browser support were fi

getting SAF2

2006-05-14 Thread hanasaki
What is the current state? is there a checklist of functionality and what is done/needs to be done? I am starting a new project and would like to go with SAF2 if possible... The below svn co comes from the wiki pages. There is no project to checkout. What is the status of the project? the docs

Re: Struts release process is broken (Re: [VOTE] Struts Action Framework v1.3.4 Quality)

2006-05-14 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/14/06, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Each release can be distributed as far and wide as you want, and in fact should be, to get as many people testing as possible. Yes. The reason we stopped putting qualifiers like "beta" and "rc" in the distribution names, was so we could s

Re: getting SAF2

2006-05-14 Thread Rainer Hermanns
There is no SAF2 binary download available yet, but should be soon. We are currently working on this topic. Currently SAF2 is available via SVN only under the following address: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/action2/trunk/ To build from source have a look at http://confluence.twdata.or

Re: getting SAF2

2006-05-14 Thread Ted Husted
There still might be some API changes in SAF 2, and if you do go with SAF 2 now, you should be prepared to make some arbitrary changes later. Personally, I'd get started with WW 2.2, and then migrate when the SAF 2 build start to roll. -Ted. On 5/14/06, hanasaki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What

Re: getting SAF2

2006-05-14 Thread hanasaki
Is there a checklist of what remains to be done in SAF2? Any docs to compare WW2.2 vs SAF2? I never used WW and after reading the docs am not sure if SAF2 is something new or just a new name for WW as it is incorporated into apache. Ted Husted wrote: > There still might be some API changes in SA

Re: [Action2] Dojo 0.30 released... Time for an update?

2006-05-14 Thread Don Brown
Sounds good to me...I'll give it a try today Don Rainer Hermanns wrote: Hey, just saw that Dojo released version 0.30. Our Dojo support in SAF/WW 2.2.x is currently based on the "outdated" 0.21 release. Shouldn't we update the embedded Dojo release and try to get our ajax tags running aga

Re: getting SAF2

2006-05-14 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/14/06, hanasaki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is there a checklist of what remains to be done in SAF2? We're in the middle of porting the documentation and finalizing some fine-points of API changes created by the name-change. But, we are not planning much in the way of new development for SA

Re: [Action2] STATUS - Documentation

2006-05-14 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/14/06, Patrick Lightbody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We won't be able to use Atlassian's public server - our stuff is just too heavy duty. Is there a particular aspect of "heavy duty" that causes more problems: Too many pages or too many hits? If the size of a space matters, it might make

Bug report for Struts [2006/05/14]

2006-05-14 Thread bugzilla
+---+ | Bugzilla Bug ID | | +-+ | | Status: UNC=Unconfirmed NEW=New ASS=Assigned

[action2] Great presentation on API design

2006-05-14 Thread Don Brown
I came across this presentation on good API design I thought relevant to our current Action 2 API discussions: http://lcsd05.cs.tamu.edu/slides/keynote.pdf Don - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional command

Re: Meet Up in San Francisco 2006

2006-05-14 Thread netsql
Van is having a Monday night user session on SAF2 by Peabody, I'll be there. .V Peter Pilgrim wrote: The Geronimo party. Who is organising that one? Virtua http://raibledesigns.com/page/rd?entry=good_parties_at_javaone I remember Van from last year. Oh well it looks like the Geronimo Party

Re: getting SAF2

2006-05-14 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/14/06, hanasaki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is there a checklist of what remains to be done in SAF2? There is now :) * http://wiki.apache.org/struts/StrutsActionRelease200 -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [action2] Great presentation on API design

2006-05-14 Thread Bob Lee
Thanks for the link. The ThreadLocal discussion toward the end applies directly to the new attributes package. Bob On 5/14/06, Don Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I came across this presentation on good API design I thought relevant to our current Action 2 API discussions: http://lcsd05.cs.ta

Re: [VOTE] Struts Action Framework v1.3.4 Quality

2006-05-14 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/14/06, Wendy Smoak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And yes, this means that once a Struts Action 1.3 release is voted GA, that DTD, along with all the others, the TLDs and the public API, is set. Oh, we've managed to make significant changes to the public APIs over the years. Most often, it's j

Re: [Action2] Dojo 0.30 released... Time for an update?

2006-05-14 Thread Martin Cooper
On 5/14/06, Rainer Hermanns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey, just saw that Dojo released version 0.30. Built and released from the audience at The Ajax Experience on Friday, literally 5 minutes before the start of Brad Neuberg's presentation on dojo.storage. ;-) (We have _got_ to find an exc