Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread ilf
On 05-04 21:50, Bryan Bennett wrote: Why not just use the built in transparency of the terminal? st lacks this. -- ilf Über 80 Millionen Deutsche benutzen keine Konsole. Klick dich nicht weg! -- Eine Initiative des Bundesamtes für Tastaturbenutzung signature.asc

Re: [dev] Sup and dmc

2011-05-05 Thread Pieter Praet
On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 22:58:33 -0500, Hank D hdon...@gmail.com wrote: [...] but I really want an email client that isn't total ass. You may find what you're looking for in notmuch [1]. Even if you do somehow come to the conclusion that it's total ass, the amount of ass would still be notmuch.

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Jacob Todd
That's a feature. On May 5, 2011 3:39 AM, ilf i...@zeromail.org wrote: On 05-04 21:50, Bryan Bennett wrote: Why not just use the built in transparency of the terminal? st lacks this. -- ilf Über 80 Millionen Deutsche benutzen keine Konsole. Klick dich nicht weg! -- Eine Initiative des

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Uriel
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Maciej Sobkowski macie...@maciejjo.pl wrote: I want to add transparency to terminal windows using transset-df. Is this possible to acomplish within config.h file? Try instead getting a fucking life. uriel

Re: [dev] [dwm] Patch for fullscreen mplayer

2011-05-05 Thread Hiltjo Posthuma
Thanks for your patch. I applied it for testing purposes. If anyone spots an issue, please let me know. FYI: I tested it and it works great :) Also making a floating mplayer fullscreen, switch to a tag then go back and make mplayer restore from fullscreen works as expected now. Good work!

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Connor Lane Smith
Hey, On 5 May 2011 14:23, Uriel ur...@berlinblue.org wrote: I want to add transparency to terminal windows using transset-df. Is this possible to acomplish within config.h file? Try instead getting a fucking life. Transparency does have some pragmatic benefit: in monocle mode transparent

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
On 5/5/11, Connor Lane Smith c...@lubutu.com wrote: Transparency does have some pragmatic benefit: in monocle mode transparent terminals would allow you to keep an eye on the output of several, layered upon one another. This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Besides, there's no reason

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Connor Lane Smith
On 5 May 2011 16:36, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote: Never mind; THIS is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.  Reality (putting aside the idiotic implication that my computer monitor isn't real) also has AIDS and war.  Maybe we should patch those into our window managers too? This is

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Stanley Lieber
Never mind; THIS is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Reality (putting aside the idiotic implication that my computer monitor isn't real) also has AIDS and war. Maybe we should patch those into our window managers too? Then we could put dwm in monocle mode and keep an eye on layered AIDS

[dev] Re: [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-05 Thread Christian Neukirchen
Uriel ur...@berlinblue.org writes: On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Christian Neukirchen chneukirc...@gmail.com wrote: Uriel ur...@berlinblue.org writes: Please, replace gawk with a sane version of awk, like the one included with 9base. The awk in 9base is a hacked up version of bwk's

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Jakub Lach
5 May 2011 17:50 Connor Lane Smith c...@lubutu.com wrote: On 5 May 2011 16:36, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote: Never mind; THIS is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.  Reality (putting aside the idiotic implication that my computer monitor isn't real) also has AIDS and war.  Maybe

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Bryan Bennett
Ignoring the trolls posting here - the solution is obvious. Use a different terminal or apply the patch if it means that much to you. st won't get transparency (most likely), and transset is a poor solution anyway, as it makes both the text and the window background equally transparent. Use one

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Maciej Sobkowski
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Bryan Bennett bbenn...@gmail.com wrote: Ignoring the trolls posting here -  the solution is obvious. Use a different terminal or apply the patch if it means that much to you. st won't get transparency (most likely), and transset is a poor solution anyway, as it

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Uriel
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Connor Lane Smith c...@lubutu.com wrote: Besides, there's no reason for transparency to be considered a bell or whistle: alpha is just a fourth dimension alongside RGB. Reality has transparency, did you notice? Reality also has cancer and depression, so should

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Andrew Hills
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Maciej Sobkowski macie...@maciejjo.pl wrote: Didn't expected such a comotion becaouse of this. Ignore Uriel; he does not post useful information. --Andrew Hills

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Connor Lane Smith c...@lubutu.com wrote: This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The comparison makes total sense, of course, because transparency clearly kills people. How fucking fallacious. *Reality* kills people. Therefore it's clearly not a bell or

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Al Gest
You know what's great? freedom of choice. You know what sucks? People telling you what you're allowed to do with the software you use. Is this suckmore or suckless? While I have no love for transparency given that the majority of transparency features in desktop environments are superfluous and

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Aurélien Aptel
hilarious argument about transparency that somehow derived to AIDS I love this mailing list. Leon Winter made a patch to support transparency in st few months ago [1]. It should'nt be hard to adapt it to tip if you want it. 1: http://lists.suckless.org/dev/1009/6046.html

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Al Gest himse...@gmail.com wrote: You know what's great? freedom of choice. You know what sucks? People telling you what you're allowed to do with the software you use. Is this suckmore or suckless? I'm not telling anyone what they're allowed to do. I'm telling

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Andrew Hills
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote: People who want transparent terminals are incapable of learning anyway. Why do you even bother communicating? --Andrew Hills

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Andrew Hills hills...@gmail.com wrote: Why do you even bother communicating? Because for every one of you there are ten who listen -- # Kurt H Maier

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Robert Whitcomb
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote: People who want transparent terminals are incapable of learning anyway. Do you have any evidence to back up this claim? Because for every one of you there are ten who listen And 10x more who groan at the immature, rude,

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread flo
On Thu, 5 May 2011 16:55:27 -0400, Kurt H Maier wrote: Because for every one of you there are ten who listen and lough -flo

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Robert Whitcomb rwhitc...@acm.org wrote: On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote: People who want transparent terminals are incapable of learning anyway. Do you have any evidence to back up this claim? Because for every one of you

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Uriel
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Al Gest himse...@gmail.com wrote: You know what's great? freedom of choice. You know what sucks? People telling you what you're allowed to do with the software you use. Is this suckmore or suckless? Yes, please exercise your freedom of choice and go fucking use

Re: [dev] [st] transparency - Was: [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Uriel
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:27 PM, ilf i...@zeromail.org wrote: On 05-05 22:04, Aurélien Aptel wrote: Leon Winter made a patch to support transparency in st few months ago [1]. It should'nt be hard to adapt it to tip if you want it. 1: http://lists.suckless.org/dev/1009/6046.html Cool! Any

Re: [dev] [st] transparency - Was: [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread mjm
Can we please add to the patch a feature that rm -rf /'s the disk of anyone who runs it? How is this a good idea? It is for purely *stupidity* reasons. What are you basing this on? Can you back up your statement?

Re: [dev] [st] transparency - Was: [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread hiro
Just fucking smell it!

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread errno
On Thursday, May 05, 2011 03:05:03 PM Uriel wrote: We all have had totally retarded ideas, it is only thanks in part to people that went out of their way to point out how retarded many of my ideas were that I learned and now I know better. I'd like to go out of my way to point out how fucking

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:02 PM, errno er...@cox.net wrote: Listen to _what_ exactly?  There's nothing to listen too, it's just substanceless vitriol.  Your assholeism is naught but the equivalent of a social blunt-instrument; applying a blunt instrument in lieu of reasoned discourse is

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Al Gest
On 5 May 2011 21:12, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not telling anyone what they're allowed to do.  I'm telling them what they're doing is stupid shit, and that founding principle of suckless is basically sound. Who's likely to behave more intelligently, a person who experiments

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread errno
On Thursday, May 05, 2011 05:52:53 PM Kurt H Maier wrote: On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:02 PM, errno er...@cox.net wrote: Listen to _what_ exactly? There's nothing to listen too, it's just substanceless vitriol. Your assholeism is naught but the equivalent of a social blunt-instrument;

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Jacob Todd
This is the best discussion that has been had here in a while. :3

Re: [dev] Why dwm or wmii over xmonad, etc., or not?

2011-05-05 Thread Nathan Neff
Wmii is the best choice, hands down. The other WMs assume way too much. I like dwm second best. Here's the plusses: 1) Wmii does tagging /right/. Want to have your editor, browser and terminal in a dev tag? Done. Want to have your editor in your debug tag as well? No problem. You decide

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread errno
On Thursday, May 05, 2011 06:12:09 PM Jacob Todd wrote: This is the best discussion that has been had here in a while. :3 grin No doubt - I'm actually having fun. It's amazing just how easy it is to be a total flagrant asshole to someone remotely over the internet. It's too bad Kurt can

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Al Gest himse...@gmail.com wrote: Who's likely to behave more intelligently, a person who experiments and finds out what works and doesn't work for themselves and understands from experience why things work or don't work, or a person who religiously follows the

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Anders Andersson
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote: Transparent terminals unnecessarily increase computational power required to render simple text.  They make a fundamental application harder for a computer to run.  This makes the core program less portable by raising the

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread mjm
Transparent terminals unnecessarily increase computational power required to render simple text. They make a fundamental application harder for a computer to run. This makes the core program less portable by raising the hardware requirements. The only gain is (arguably) aesthetic. This,

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:20 PM, m...@factoryprime.net wrote: So... Houses simply shelter us from weather.  Automobiles simply transport us from point A to point B.  Should we only live is sod huts?  Should we only drive wooden go-carts?  Of course, anything else is just a waste of resources,

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:20 PM, errno er...@cox.net wrote: No doubt - I'm actually having fun.  It's amazing just how easy it is to be a total flagrant asshole to someone remotely over the internet. It's too bad Kurt can dish it out but can't take it; it appears I hurt his feelings. I

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread mjm
I build large-scale compute clusters. I build massive storage networks. I am familiar with the sorts of things people are doing with large amounts of processing power. I am an intergalactic species from the planet insert stupid name here. Your super-clusters and storage clusters pale in

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread errno
On Thursday, May 05, 2011 06:46:00 PM Kurt H Maier wrote: Transparent terminals unnecessarily increase computational power required to render simple text. They make a fundamental application harder for a computer to run. This makes the core program less portable by raising the hardware

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread errno
On Thursday, May 05, 2011 07:28:56 PM Kurt H Maier wrote: On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:20 PM, errno er...@cox.net wrote: No doubt - I'm actually having fun. It's amazing just how easy it is to be a total flagrant asshole to someone remotely over the internet. It's too bad Kurt can dish it

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:39 PM, m...@factoryprime.net wrote: I am an intergalactic species from the planet insert stupid name here. Your super-clusters and storage clusters pale in comparison to my insert ridiculious banter here If you're too stupid to use google to verify my credentials --

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Al Gest
On 6 May 2011 02:46, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Al Gest himse...@gmail.com wrote: Who's likely to behave more intelligently, a person who experiments and finds out what works and doesn't work for themselves and understands from experience why things

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:39 PM, Al Gest himse...@gmail.com wrote: Evasive answer. The question did not warrant more. That doesn't provide any substance or merit to your belligerence. Vitriol has also been seethed many times in the past on this very list. You seem perfectly happy to provide

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Al Gest
On 6 May 2011 04:49, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote: The question did not warrant more. It clearly did, the problem is the question was fairly loaded, and answering the question honestly would have contradicted your position. That doesn't provide any substance or merit to your

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Al Gest himse...@gmail.com wrote: It clearly did, the problem is the question was fairly loaded, and answering the question honestly would have contradicted your position. No, you tremendous ass. The question was framed to insult me if I'd answered it. It's

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Al Gest
On 6 May 2011 05:06, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote:  It's also irrelevant, because nobody is 'experiementing' here.  There are other routes for 'experimentation.' Let me direct your attention to the original poster. I'm not interested in how you think I come across.  Fortunately,

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Uriel
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 4:20 AM, m...@factoryprime.net wrote: Transparent terminals unnecessarily increase computational power required to render simple text.  They make a fundamental application harder for a computer to run.  This makes the core program less portable by raising the hardware

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Uriel
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 6:11 AM, Al Gest himse...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not interested in how you think I come across.  Fortunately, idiots like you don't control my speech. And yet you are clearly perturbed by it. It is disturbing that there are human beings inept and retarded enough to think

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Uriel
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 4:17 AM, Anders Andersson pipat...@gmail.com wrote: I'd also like to compare that kind of retardness to people that have lights *inside* their computer, complete with a window on the side of the tower. Totally useless, wasting power, pollutes the vision by shining

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Uriel
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 4:48 AM, errno er...@cox.net wrote: I could of course make some really opinionated and abrasive statements about people like you who choose to continue to use hardware terminal emulators in lieu of, say, 9term - but that'd be uncool. I hate hardware-emulation-terminals

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Uriel
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 1:17 AM, m...@factoryprime.net wrote: People who want transparent terminals are incapable of learning anyway. I'm curious, how did you come to this conclusion? There is plenty of empirical evidence to back this up, just look at this lists archives. uriel

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Uriel
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 3:04 AM, Al Gest himse...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 May 2011 21:12, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not telling anyone what they're allowed to do.  I'm telling them what they're doing is stupid shit, and that founding principle of suckless is basically sound.

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Hootiegibbon
After 53 messages in this thread, gmail just flagged it as spam. Would that be a feature? ;) Jase On 6 May 2011 06:29, Uriel ur...@berlinblue.org wrote: On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 1:17 AM, m...@factoryprime.net wrote: People who want transparent termin... There is plenty of empirical evidence

Re: [dev] Why dwm or wmii over xmonad, etc., or not?

2011-05-05 Thread Uriel
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Eitan Goldshtrom thesource...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, I suggest you start by not sending HTML email to mailing lists. Thank you uriel P.S.: Can we please get a filter that bounces all HTML-containing emails with a message instructing people to learn to

Re: [dev] Why dwm or wmii over xmonad, etc., or not?

2011-05-05 Thread Uriel
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Eitan Goldshtrom thesource...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, So I started using wmii a couple months ago. It was the first time I wasn't using GNOME and it's default stuff and I did so because a friend recommended wmii to me. So now I want to know what you all