Greg Minshall wrote:
>> Slightly off-topic and moderately unpopular: find(1) doesn't quite well
>> fit into the Unix userland. It starts with the syntax: multiletter
>> options (POSIX calls them operands though), the $program $option(s)
>> $file(s) order (compare the find's "do where what" vs
Slightly off-topic and moderately unpopular: find(1) doesn't quite well
fit into the Unix userland. It starts with the syntax: multiletter
options (POSIX calls them operands though), the $program $option(s)
$file(s) order (compare the find's "do where what" vs natural -- like
sed's or grep's --
Hi,
> If my report is correct, please update that webpage. Thanks!
The wiki is open for everyone, go ahead and send the patch.
https://suckless.org/wiki/
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> Perhaps I am the only suckless fan who also uses Emacs. :>
I highly recommend mg[0], a sane Emacs implementation.
[0]: https://github.com/hboetes/mg/
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Greg Reagle wrote:
> Would sbase suck less if the program head, which is currently a C
> program of 77 lines, were replaced with something like
> #!/bin/sh
> sed "$1"q
Plan 9 doesn't have head(1), neither do I in my sbase, not even a wrapper.
`sed 10q` emulates the default behavior of head,
Laslo Hunhold wrote:
> I used to be more open towards "more user-friendliness" a few years ago,
> but realized that if you look at modern users, most of them are
> unwilling to invest time and effort into getting something to work and
> expect too much from others in terms of support and guidance.
Markus Wichmann wrote:
> Страхиња Радић wrote:
>> Didn't know that, thanks. What is the reasoning behind having a
>> separate .def.h in the first place then? Wouldn't editing a local copy
>> of config.h from the cloned repository suffice?
> The idea is that you keep your config.h around when you
Страхиња Радић wrote:
> It will work, but more correct would be to change config.def.h, per
> Makefile:
> config.h: config.def.h
> cp config.def.h config.h
> Also, in the future you can also try setting different values for
> "size=" instead of "pixelsize=", as it works better for some
Hi all,
Laslo Hunhold wrote:
> Dear Cág,
> Even if a suckless implementation of GNU tar was possible, would you
> really want it to be included? I'd rather like to encourage people to
> use standard non-proprietary file formats.
Yeah, I think I would. tar(1) is one of those
Hi,
A quick question: for "POSIX tar archive (GNU)" files tar prints
tar: unsupported tar-filetype L
Is GNU tar support out of scope?
Cheers
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Greg Reagle wrote:
> May I see the single script please?
Attached.
My workflow is usually similar to this:
1. Download mails and list unread: `mblaze s -d`
2. Read them: `mblaze s -v 1:5`
3. Reply to a message: `mblaze s -r 4`
There are separate arguments to list sent, unread, archived, etc.,
Hi,
Markus Wichmann wrote:
> It appears to me that on Linux, only ca. three ways to render fonts
> remain: One is to use xlib and its fonts, but this does not work very
> well with Unicode. Then there is Xft and fontconfig, requiring XML
> config files, and while it does work well in many cases,
Michael Forney wrote:
> Sometimes people just don't have the time to investigate the issue and
> come up with a fix. It could even be that the fix involves more
> complex restructuring of the rest of the code.
Hello Michael,
Thanks for understanding. There's definitely a lack of time on my
I must admit I only use ed(1) (of sbase) these days.
It has been like this for a year or so.
There are a couple things I've come across the
sbase's version of ed:
1. w doesn't print the byte count. Suppose a sample
ed session (using P to distinguish my input from ed's
output):
% ed
P
*a
milk
Teodoro Santoni wrote:
> If xev outputs something when you click in it with those buttons, you
> can use them in dwm's config.h putting in their x.org keysym.
> Never heard of those mivr, they are quite cheap on amazon, I'm
> interested... If all those buttons are supported on linux (e.g. xev
>
Hi,
I've recently got two different A4Tech/X7 mice with nine buttons, one
at work and one for home. I'd like to map buttons 8 and 9 to some
keyboard events, let it be volume changing (like
XF86XK_AudioRaiseVolume), or simple copy-pasting for st(1), e.g. let
the button 8 be Ctrl-Shift-C and the
Greg Reagle wrote:
You could buy a bigger hard drive.
Wasting resources is never a good idea.
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Daniel Cegiełka wrote:
If you have a power failure, it simply can lose data (whether
JFS or XFS).
Unfortunately I can confirm this. We've lost data twice on a
CentOS server with XFS, and once it happened on my local machine
because of a freeze.
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Evan Gates wrote:
Not sure about the preprocessor stuff, but this right here
is terrible practice. Use a for loop and glob. Assuming
that "$1" is a directory:
for p in "$1"/*; do ...
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs
http://porkmail.org/era/unix/award.html
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https://github.com/Gottox/bgs
Also this: https://github.com/ttzhou/setroot
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Hi,
The ``install'' rule in the ubase's Makefile doesn't set
the appropriate permissions for these two executables. Is
it intentional? It's a trivial thing to add, so I'd send
a diff.
Thanks
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Anselm Garbe wrote:
Hi there,
I'm glad to announce new dwm and dmenu releases:
* dwm-6.2: https://dl.suckless.org/dwm/dwm-6.2.tar.gz
* dmenu-4.9: https://dl.suckless.org/tools/dmenu-4.9.tar.gz
These releases are the last ones that contain Xft support, which will
be removed in the releases to
Anselm Garbe wrote:
Implying C is such an obscure language that can never pay your bills.
No implication here. But demand for plain C developers is considerably
lower these days with the exception of the embedded/IoT and kernel
space. And often plain C is subsumed with C++ unfortunately, as it
Anselm Garbe wrote:
However, when forced into typical day job developments to
fund your well being, golang might actually be the sanest option on
the table -- in order to avoid worse options such as Rust, Java,
Kotlin, Scala, Ruby, C#, Swift etc.
Implying C is such an obscure language that can
Silvan Jegen wrote:
I also prefer // (mostly because to insert those I can just do a block
insert in vim/vis). The only downside of //-style comments that I can
see is that they are only allowed since C99[0].
Maybe I am missing something too though.
I use vi[0] and have this in my .exrc:
map
Martin Tournoij wrote:
The chosen language is just one "suckless metric". I hold little love
for C++, but I'll choose a well-designed and well-written C++ program
over a badly designed and badly written C program any day of the week.
A good example to illustrate this point might be procmail:
Martin Tournoij wrote:
1. Is there any network utility suite like net-tools or iproute2 but
sane and active? Or maybe net-tools was forked by somebody?
Usually the stuff you want to do with these tools are limited to just a
few tasks ("connect to wired network", "connect to wireless network",
Sylvain Bertrand wrote:
???
clang/llvm is a c++ abomination: a massive pile of c++ cr*p. If you
dislike the GNU make, wait to read the c++ code of cmake, the build
system of clang/llvm, not to mention ninja (something in the horrible
python3 or python2). I am into llvm code right now, and I feel
Sean MacLennan wrote:
Wrong. Not even you can compile it with Clang, (HOSTCC=clang
CC=clang), but link it with lld:
http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2017-January/109288.html
Sorry, I should have said you can't compile a *working* kernel with
clang. They are close though, and I believe
Sean MacLennan wrote:
I'm thinking of something you can compile the Linux kernel[0] with.
The Linux kernel only compiles with the GNU toolchain. There are
efforts to get it compiling with clang but I believe they are not there
yet.
Wrong. Not even you can compile it with Clang, (HOSTCC=clang
Stephen Turner wrote:
Toybox?
I haven’t followed the project in a bit, I really should check in and
see what they have finished but I know that project aimed to get most
if not all of a build environment recreated in a portable form so if
you haven’t seen it then I recommend it.
If I may ask,
Jan Bessai wrote:
Not sure if it has any advantages for you, but you might try bmake
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/bmake
It is a port of the Netbsd make.
bmake has its own conditionals like .if, .ifdef, .else, etc., i.e.
it is itself incompatible with GNU make. I'm thinking of
Hi,
This is long and rather off-topic (and a bit of ranting is included, as
always).
I have to use EL7/Fedora almost daily and Ubuntu once every week or two.
As you might know, they have this GNOME/systemd/etc. thing. I'm already
kinda used to GNOME freezing, and systemd's "A job is running"
Alessandro Pistocchi wrote:
Agree :-)
Sent from my iPhone
Nice signature :)
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Alessandro Pistocchi wrote:
Hi everyone,
Hi,
I am working on a project to remove gpl stuff from Linux userspace ( I
am ok with GPL executables but not with GPL or LGPL libraries ) and I
see that your projects tend towards more open licenses.
You probably should be replacing GNU stuff with
Anselm wrote:
> Back in the days I also concluded that the introduction of Xinerama
> and multihead support was a bad idea after all.
>
> What do you guys think about this idea?
A couple of ideas:
1. Having Xft and Xinerama support in the patches section
2. Create ifdefs for Xft as they are now
opal hart wrote:
> Look at any other dev project and you'll see that this is a childish
> display no matter the implications of the bug.
suckless is not your average dev project. You are supposed to know
something before using it. You and OP are being petty and lazy, because
instead of writing a
I am currently LOL'ing @ the thread.
It ain't no CVE, it's a freakin color scheme crap. Found a bug -> fix
the damn thing. Don't need no MS in CS.
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Hi,
The problem was solved here:
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-users/2018/08/10/msg021219.html
I'm attaching Leonardo's patch, please review.
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$NetBSD$
Directly use addstr() instead of printw() in order to output every
bytes without any transformation (and hence also correctly
Silvan Jegen wrote:
> I thought that maybe one of the programs is linked against the
> non-"...w" variant of the curses library (i. e. "libncurses" instead
> of "libncursesw") but it turns out that NetBSD's curses library does
> not have this separation at all. Interesting stuff.
Some programs,
Laslo Hunhold wrote:
> Maybe we can layer this check out though and do a
>
> if (m->showbar) {
> drawbar(...)
> }
>
> What do you guys think?
+1
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Silvan Jegen wrote:
> I thought that maybe one of the programs is linked against the
> non-"...w" variant of the curses library (i. e. "libncurses" instead
> of "libncursesw") but it turns out that NetBSD's curses library does
> not have this separation at all. Interesting stuff.
It can handle
Silvan Jegen wrote:
> I have the same locale set up (LANG=en_US.UTF-8) and on my (Linux)
> machine, both rover and noice (compiled from tip) show the "früh.mp3"
> filename correctly without me having to set LC_ALL=C.
Keep in mind, this is NetBSD with its own curses library. It was
suggested that
opal hart wrote:
> Yes, it's a normal array of colours. To set colour 215 (starting from
> 0), for example, just add a line `[215] = "#123456",` and it will set
> that colour as appropriate. However, st already supports both
> 256-colour and truecolour so you may not need to do this depending on
Silvan Jegen wrote:
> What does running 'locale' print on both machines?
Mine's are all en_US.UTF-8, except for LC_COLLATE. I don't set anything
other than LANG in profile.
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Hiltjo Posthuma wrote:
> Maybe setlocale(LC_CTYPE, ""), not sure if that is correct. You could
> technically mix different locales in filenames or use (almost) any byte
> sequence though.
rover, which I mentioned in the OP, has it too:
https://github.com/lecram/rover/blob/master/rover.c#L405
Hey,
The thread is here[0], and I guess this is more of curses problem, but
since I first noticed it with noice, here it is.
The question: what do rover and noice do differently, that the former
displays Unicode filenames right, and the latter only under the LC_ALL=C
local.
P.S. 2f30 guise
Markus Wichmann wrote:
> Because ls's job is to list files. Not to columnate output. There's
> another tool for that.
Makes sense; there's cols(1) for that.
> Unfortunately, GNU ls is capable of outputting color codes, but BSD
> column is not capable of understanding them. I tried to write
If you take a look at README (https://git.suckless.org/sbase/tree/README),
you'll find out completeness of the programs and missing arguments; out
of all I only wonder why multi-column output of ls(1) is intentionally
left out. On Plan 9 it is one-column, too, though.
caóc
Silvan Jegen wrote:
> I am not able to reproduce this (on dwm tip with NotoColorEmoji.ttf
> installed):
> https://sillymon.ch/data/gvimwithemojiintitle.png
Not only you need NotoColorEmoji installed, a colored emoji has to be
in the title to break dwm. The one on your screenshot is monochrome.
sylvain.bertr...@gmail.com wrote:
> I did install the google noto fonts, did browse to a www site with
> heavy use of utf-8 emojis with lynx and did crash.
> The culprit was NotoColorEmoji.ttf.
I'm afraid I don't know about st, but dwm crashes if there's an emoji
in the window title, in case
Laslo Hunhold wrote:
> [...] and I hate busybox!
Why?
Actually, if a Linux kernel can be compiled without GNU bc, it's a
step forward. Next would be getting rid of gcc-isms, and, finally,
making a new build system.
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Laslo Hunhold wrote:
>> Pango is a much heavier library than Xft, so I would be surprised if
>> Hiltjo was suggesting that was use Pango.
> I'll give Hiltjo the freedom to share as much as he desires about what
> he's doing, but "maybe" he was talking about a solution that is
> developed
k.suzaki wrote:
> I want to know why another libc is bad (or good?) to build stali.
> I guess it resembles to Harden Gentoo which allows to build uclib and musl.
>https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Hardened_uClibc
>https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Hardened_musl
Please see the
Daniel Cegiełka wrote:
> > musl is the only alternative, fairly feature complete, libc, that is still
> > being developed. uClibc/dietlibc haven't been around for many years
> https://cgit.openadk.org/cgi/cgit/uclibc-ng.git/log/
Forgot about it. Anyway it doesn't see that much activity comparing
k.suzaki wrote:
> Dear,
> Can I build stali with another libc? The old stali seems to be built by
> uClibc.
You can but you shouldn't.
musl is the only alternative, fairly feature complete, libc, that is still
being developed. uClibc/dietlibc haven't been around for many years, newlib
is
k.suzaki wrote:
> I see.
> The two ELF binaries of "ip and "debugfs" which include symbol may
> say "Dynamic loading not supported".
Obviously, the programmes you mentioned are third-party. If I understand
correctly, the goal was to make the base userland statically linked
(shell + sbase +
Amos Bird wrote:
> Hi,
> When doing C-v/M-v in emacs frequently, st terminal flickers. This doesn't
> happen in urxvt.
> How can I fix that? Thanks!
Hi,
It doesn't happen in mg. Which Emacs do you use?
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Greg Reagle wrote:
> According to http://shallowsky.com/linux/noaltscreen.html, another way
> to disable the alternate screen is to change the terminfo entry to
> remove rmcup and smcup. Have you tried that? To do so, edit dvtm.info,
> remove the smcup and rmcup lines, and re-run make install
Hi,
Is there a way to disable the alternate screen in dvtm?
If there isn't, any plans?
Thanks
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ber.t@ wrote:
> Does the new one work for you on OpenBSD?
It does, thanks again!
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Bert Münnich wrote:
> And since switching to GNU make I really got the hang of automatic
> dependency generation and out-of-source builds.
Thanks for making the makefile portable anyway, I appreciate it.
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Laslo Hunhold wrote:
> We need to stop falling for the fallacy that "portable" means "works
> with BSDmake and GNUmake". Truly portable means consistent with the
> POSIX spec.
How different is BSD make from POSIX make? The man page says it's
"mostly compliant" (it also says that "most of the
Bert wrote:
> Line 30 of your Makefile still contains the GNU make specific automatic
> variable '$^'. You have to substitute it with '$(OBJ)' to make the LINK
> cmd work.
I've tried it, the output complains about missing object files:
---
cc: autoreload_inotify.o: No such file or directory
cc:
Hi,
I feel a bit stupid right now. The output is:
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LINK sxiv
/usr/local/lib/libImlib2.so.6.0: warning: warning: strcpy() is almost always
misused, please use strlcpy()
/usr/local/lib/libImlib2.so.6.0: warning: warning: sprintf() is often misused,
please use snprintf()
Aaron Marcher wrote:
> Calling all external programs plus formatting programs is huge resource
> overhead and insecure.
Reasonable.
> Lemonbar?
ssd wrote:
> dzen2?
For some reason I thought they both used GTK. Thanks!
Ciao
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Hiltjo Posthuma wrote:
> I personally really like spoon from 2f30 created by the legendary
> stateless and lostd:
Both are nice and something I was looking for. I am interested for
advantages of them vs a xinitrc script besides those stated on the
dwmstatus page. I suppose, not needing to call
I use emojis on my dwm bar, and it is convenient on a laptop. While
main fonts are occasionally changed, Noto Emoji is always a fallback font
for the symbols. I've never had dwm or st crashed, no matter the reason.
As it was previously stated by Laslo and Hiltjo, 99.9899735856% of issues
are
Quentin Rameau wrote:
>> Apart from patching programmes to work with musl, Alpine has around
>> sixty patches for musl itself[0].
>> These are upstream patches until the next release is tagged.
Oh, thanks, they are, just looked.
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Kajetan Jasztal wrote:
> What do you think can be the downsides of filesystem hierarchy of
> Gobo Linux[0]? STALI[1] was attempting to modify default hierarchy
> after all. I personaly think it's clear, evident (only problem I have
> is hiding symlinks in /) and elegant. It's in a way compatible
So, to summarise:
Browsers suck because web sucks
C++ sucks
Android sucks
Python sucks
Java sucks
Javascript sucks
In other news the sky is blue, water is wet and snow is white.
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Thanks, it works.
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S. Gilles wrote:
> I wrote a patch[0] for mg which sort of adds Unicode support a while
> back via wchar_t. Upstream interest was low, as they were just about
> to release 6.0 and I got the impression they'd rather write it
> themselves, but as far as I can tell it works. At the very least,
> it
robin wrote:
> I wrote a vi like editor in <1k lines.
> Fairly shitty, but maybe it inspires to something.
> https://github.com/byllgrim/svi
It is a good base, thanks, even though it lacks a delete functionality
(backspace doesn't work on already written to a file characters),
undo and a ruler.
Hiltjo Posthuma wrote:
> RIP sweet prince. Your small patches (0 lines) will be missed.
Legend says, hiro is Theo that condescended to us, mere mortals, to teach
us wisdom, to pass on knowledge and wit. Thou shalt hail hiro.
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Wolfgang Corcoran-Mathe wrote:
> mle is too complex for my taste (scripting and syntax highlighting
> seem unecessary, though I’m in the grumpy minority here)
Personally I'd like to see more of something like mg or busybox' vi.
Unfortunately they both don't support UTF-8. nvi is pretty good as
Laslo Hunhold wrote:
> I don't want to start a tmux debate here of course.
Neither do I. Thanks for the answer.
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Laslo Hunhold wrote:
> I hate using tmux and the like
I am genuinely interested why.
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hiro wrote:
> always found linux terminal scrollback buffers unusable,
> so I try not to rely on it at all.
Makes sense when you can simply tee(1) a dynamic output
or less(1) a static one. Especially convenient when searching
for compiling errors/warnings. Matter of taste though.
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https://www.enlightenment.org/about-terminology
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bad omens for the *BSD people.
All because of the licence.
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Hadrien Lacour wrote:
> If you want the Noice of music player, there's cplay. If you want something a
> little bit more like ranger/vifm, there's cmus. I personally use mpd and mpc
> with sh scripts.
Looks like cplay is Python and doesn't support flac players. Looks good though,
thanks.
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that one too, as well as for showing current song.
One kind man sent me his "noice music player". It already works but needs
some minor fixes apparently. If it will be done, I'm sure it will appear here
on the list.
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ormats to
simply %{filename}. Also, for some reason it didn't play some
flac files while mplayer with ffmpeg and flac did.
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> what do you need, ffado?
> mpd might be best.
mpd is C++ and pulls boost because it
"imroves code readability and maintainability".
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Josuah Demangeon wrote:
> Simple Audio Daemon may be interesting:
> http://git.2f30.org/sad/files.html
Looks like it only works with ALSA.
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Joseph Graham wrote:
> Hey, what's wrong with mpd and ncmpc?
I think mpd is too complicated for me. I've never figured out
how it works and, after all, I only need to play my local library.
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ong without jumping through
the whole playlist.
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.
Is there something like that?
Thanks
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Mattias Andrée wrote:
> I'm not convinced mk(1) is less sucky
> than POSIX make(1), but it may be less
> sucky than many make(1) implementations.
There is also bmake(1)[0], a port of NetBSD's
make(1)[1]. OpenBSD has their own
make(1)[2] as well.
Cág
[0]:
http://www.crufty.net
For particular
cases you will have to do some digging
but default build options are pretty
sane most of the time.
> But it could be a nice source / project to
> collaborate with as well.
If interested, the site is here[0],
the PDF guide is here[1],
there are also some FAQs on netbsd.o
Mark Weber wrote:
> nixos.org sucks less AFAIK (its deterministic),
> but sometimes it sucks that some packages
> haven't been packaged yet - but many have..
Nix is C++, Perl and autotools.
> All packages for distros could be derived from
> such.
pkgsrc?
Cág
er is in Python
and now there will be Python in the init system.
That's too much for a suckless distribution,
in my humble opinion.
Cág
the ports, but packages are
usually compiled the way they should be. And
the documentation is pretty good.
Cág
[0]:
http://git.alpinelinux.org/cgit/aports/commit/?id=9878b048b45f977e69527a88e7f4d205cabccc94
[1]: https://alpinelinux.org/
Greg,
Try re-installing libjavascriptcoregtk-1.0-0.
It is fairly common for dpkg to install
broken packages. Those Gdk and dbus warnings
you received when running surf shouldn't be
vital.
If that still doesn't work, bewray your
config.mk to us.
Cág
mplayer stopped decoding both mp3 and mp4
correctly for some reason.
By the way, has anyone tried OSS on Linux recently?
Cág
archive".
Here's the part with it: http://git.suckless.org/sbase/tree/tar.c#n404
Cág
it says "malformed tar archive". I've tried creating an
archive from a single file, tar does it but when trying to
extract it I get the error above.
Cág
st crashes when trying to display REVERSED HAND WITH MIDDLE FINGER
EXTENDED.
It doesn't here though.
want a modern www renderer).
The dependence on GCC is stupid, right, just like on any other GNU
software.
The Linux kernel can't be compiled with anything other than this or
Clang,
which is in C++, but at least licensed under BSD or something.
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