This thread is no longer fun. Take this crap offlist.
On 05.05.2011 22:04, Al Gest wrote:
You know what's great? freedom of choice. You know what sucks? People
telling you what you're allowed to do with the software you use. Is
this suckmore or suckless?
Only sane argument so far.
Anyway, go on list, i have enough Popcorn for the show :P
(for the tl;dr folks - nothing to see here, move along)
On Thursday, May 05, 2011 10:28:03 PM Uriel wrote:
There is no justification whatsoever for transparent terminals.
From a purely sociological/psychological standpoint, I can't help but be
fascinated with this sort of reasoning.
I'm
On 04.05.2011 23:00, Rob wrote:
And apply the patch. It might not apply cleanly since I diff'd from my
heavily patched dwm, so you'll have to do some shuftying.
There are also two other transparency patches available at the dwm site:
http://dwm.suckless.org/patches/transparency (configurable
On 6 May 2011 08:28, Jacob Todd jaketodd...@gmail.com wrote:
This thread is no longer fun. Take this crap offlist.
I second this.
This thread has become longer than the wmii source code nearly ;)
And it is not really hard to conclude that translucent terminals are
bad for your eyes. After a
On 05-06 09:33, Anselm R Garbe wrote:
This thread is no longer fun. Take this crap offlist.
This thread has become longer than the wmii source code nearly ;)
http://xkcd.com/386/
--
ilf
Über 80 Millionen Deutsche benutzen keine Konsole. Klick dich nicht weg!
-- Eine
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 2:47 AM, errno er...@cox.net wrote:
Uriel or Kurt - care to explain why you care so deeply about other peoples'
software habits? And do you really feel that it's like your duty or function
or purpose to rid the world of... transparent terminals or something?
This is the
On 6 May 2011 15:13, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote:
If stupidity goes unchallenged, it gets institutionalized, and then
you have Lennart Poettering.
So why do you get so agitated when people challenge yours?
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Al Gest himse...@gmail.com wrote:
So why do you get so agitated when people challenge yours?
Is this supposed to be clever, or are you trying to say something
--
# Kurt H Maier
On Fri, May 06, 2011 at 10:13:31AM -0400, Kurt H Maier wrote:
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 2:47 AM, errno er...@cox.net wrote:
Uriel or Kurt - care to explain why you care so deeply about other peoples'
software habits? And do you really feel that it's like your duty or function
or purpose to rid
On 6 May 2011 15:39, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote:
Is this supposed to be clever, or are you trying to say something
I thought the implication was quite clear, my mistake.
When uriel submits 6 posts in succession you can be sure there's a
steaming pile of shit in that thread.
xkdc links in tech arguments are like Hitler references in politics.
On 05-04 21:50, Bryan Bennett wrote:
Why not just use the built in transparency of the terminal?
st lacks this.
--
ilf
Über 80 Millionen Deutsche benutzen keine Konsole. Klick dich nicht weg!
-- Eine Initiative des Bundesamtes für Tastaturbenutzung
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That's a feature.
On May 5, 2011 3:39 AM, ilf i...@zeromail.org wrote:
On 05-04 21:50, Bryan Bennett wrote:
Why not just use the built in transparency of the terminal?
st lacks this.
--
ilf
Über 80 Millionen Deutsche benutzen keine Konsole. Klick dich nicht weg!
-- Eine Initiative des
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Maciej Sobkowski macie...@maciejjo.pl wrote:
I want to add transparency to terminal windows using transset-df. Is
this possible to acomplish within config.h file?
Try instead getting a fucking life.
uriel
Hey,
On 5 May 2011 14:23, Uriel ur...@berlinblue.org wrote:
I want to add transparency to terminal windows using transset-df. Is
this possible to acomplish within config.h file?
Try instead getting a fucking life.
Transparency does have some pragmatic benefit: in monocle mode
transparent
On 5/5/11, Connor Lane Smith c...@lubutu.com wrote:
Transparency does have some pragmatic benefit: in monocle mode
transparent terminals would allow you to keep an eye on the output of
several, layered upon one another.
This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Besides, there's no reason
On 5 May 2011 16:36, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote:
Never mind; THIS is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Reality
(putting aside the idiotic implication that my computer monitor isn't
real) also has AIDS and war. Maybe we should patch those into our
window managers too?
This is
Never mind; THIS is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Reality
(putting aside the idiotic implication that my computer monitor isn't
real) also has AIDS and war. Maybe we should patch those into our
window managers too? Then we could put dwm in monocle mode and keep an
eye on layered AIDS
5 May 2011 17:50 Connor Lane Smith c...@lubutu.com wrote:
On 5 May 2011 16:36, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote:
Never mind; THIS is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Reality
(putting aside the idiotic implication that my computer monitor isn't
real) also has AIDS and war. Maybe
Ignoring the trolls posting here - the solution is obvious. Use a
different terminal or apply the patch if it means that much to you.
st won't get transparency (most likely), and transset is a poor
solution anyway, as it makes both the text and the window
background equally transparent. Use one
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Bryan Bennett bbenn...@gmail.com wrote:
Ignoring the trolls posting here - the solution is obvious. Use a
different terminal or apply the patch if it means that much to you.
st won't get transparency (most likely), and transset is a poor
solution anyway, as it
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Connor Lane Smith c...@lubutu.com wrote:
Besides, there's no reason for transparency to be considered a bell or
whistle: alpha is just a fourth dimension alongside RGB. Reality has
transparency, did you notice?
Reality also has cancer and depression, so should
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Maciej Sobkowski macie...@maciejjo.pl wrote:
Didn't expected such a comotion becaouse of this.
Ignore Uriel; he does not post useful information.
--Andrew Hills
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Connor Lane Smith c...@lubutu.com wrote:
This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The comparison makes total
sense, of course, because transparency clearly kills people. How
fucking fallacious.
*Reality* kills people. Therefore it's clearly not a bell or
You know what's great? freedom of choice. You know what sucks? People
telling you what you're allowed to do with the software you use. Is
this suckmore or suckless?
While I have no love for transparency given that the majority of
transparency features in desktop environments are superfluous and
hilarious argument about transparency that somehow
derived to AIDS
I love this mailing list.
Leon Winter made a patch to support transparency in st few months ago
[1]. It should'nt be hard to adapt it to tip if you want it.
1: http://lists.suckless.org/dev/1009/6046.html
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Al Gest himse...@gmail.com wrote:
You know what's great? freedom of choice. You know what sucks? People
telling you what you're allowed to do with the software you use. Is
this suckmore or suckless?
I'm not telling anyone what they're allowed to do. I'm telling
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote:
People who want transparent terminals are incapable of learning anyway.
Why do you even bother communicating?
--Andrew Hills
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Andrew Hills hills...@gmail.com wrote:
Why do you even bother communicating?
Because for every one of you there are ten who listen
--
# Kurt H Maier
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote:
People who want transparent terminals are incapable of learning anyway.
Do you have any evidence to back up this claim?
Because for every one of you there are ten who listen
And 10x more who groan at the immature, rude,
On Thu, 5 May 2011 16:55:27 -0400, Kurt H Maier wrote:
Because for every one of you there are ten who listen
and lough
-flo
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Robert Whitcomb rwhitc...@acm.org wrote:
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote:
People who want transparent terminals are incapable of learning anyway.
Do you have any evidence to back up this claim?
Because for every one of you
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Al Gest himse...@gmail.com wrote:
You know what's great? freedom of choice. You know what sucks? People
telling you what you're allowed to do with the software you use. Is
this suckmore or suckless?
Yes, please exercise your freedom of choice and go fucking use
On Thursday, May 05, 2011 03:05:03 PM Uriel wrote:
We all have had totally retarded ideas, it is only thanks in part to
people that went out of their way to point out how retarded many of my
ideas were that I learned and now I know better.
I'd like to go out of my way to point out how fucking
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:02 PM, errno er...@cox.net wrote:
Listen to _what_ exactly? There's nothing to listen too, it's just
substanceless vitriol. Your assholeism is naught but the equivalent
of a social blunt-instrument; applying a blunt instrument in lieu of
reasoned discourse is
On 5 May 2011 21:12, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not telling anyone what they're allowed to do. I'm telling them
what they're doing is stupid shit, and that founding principle of
suckless is basically sound.
Who's likely to behave more intelligently, a person who experiments
On Thursday, May 05, 2011 05:52:53 PM Kurt H Maier wrote:
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:02 PM, errno er...@cox.net wrote:
Listen to _what_ exactly? There's nothing to listen too, it's just
substanceless vitriol. Your assholeism is naught but the equivalent
of a social blunt-instrument;
This is the best discussion that has been had here in a while. :3
On Thursday, May 05, 2011 06:12:09 PM Jacob Todd wrote:
This is the best discussion that has been had here in a while. :3
grin
No doubt - I'm actually having fun. It's amazing just how easy
it is to be a total flagrant asshole to someone remotely over
the internet.
It's too bad Kurt can
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Al Gest himse...@gmail.com wrote:
Who's likely to behave more intelligently, a person who experiments
and finds out what works and doesn't work for themselves and
understands from experience why things work or don't work, or a person
who religiously follows the
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote:
Transparent terminals unnecessarily increase computational power
required to render simple text. They make a fundamental application
harder for a computer to run. This makes the core program less
portable by raising the
Transparent terminals unnecessarily increase computational power
required to render simple text. They make a fundamental application
harder for a computer to run. This makes the core program less
portable by raising the hardware requirements. The only gain is
(arguably) aesthetic. This,
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:20 PM, m...@factoryprime.net wrote:
So... Houses simply shelter us from weather. Automobiles simply transport
us from point A to point B. Should we only live is sod huts? Should we
only drive wooden go-carts? Of course, anything else is just a waste of
resources,
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:20 PM, errno er...@cox.net wrote:
No doubt - I'm actually having fun. It's amazing just how easy
it is to be a total flagrant asshole to someone remotely over
the internet.
It's too bad Kurt can dish it out but can't take it; it appears I hurt
his feelings. I
I build large-scale compute clusters. I build massive storage networks.
I am
familiar with the sorts of things people are doing with large amounts
of processing power.
I am an intergalactic species from the planet insert stupid name here.
Your super-clusters and storage clusters pale in
On Thursday, May 05, 2011 06:46:00 PM Kurt H Maier wrote:
Transparent terminals unnecessarily increase computational power
required to render simple text. They make a fundamental application
harder for a computer to run. This makes the core program less
portable by raising the hardware
On Thursday, May 05, 2011 07:28:56 PM Kurt H Maier wrote:
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:20 PM, errno er...@cox.net wrote:
No doubt - I'm actually having fun. It's amazing just how easy
it is to be a total flagrant asshole to someone remotely over
the internet.
It's too bad Kurt can dish it
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:39 PM, m...@factoryprime.net wrote:
I am an intergalactic species from the planet insert stupid name here.
Your super-clusters and storage clusters pale in comparison to my insert
ridiculious banter here
If you're too stupid to use google to verify my credentials --
On 6 May 2011 02:46, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Al Gest himse...@gmail.com wrote:
Who's likely to behave more intelligently, a person who experiments
and finds out what works and doesn't work for themselves and
understands from experience why things
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:39 PM, Al Gest himse...@gmail.com wrote:
Evasive answer.
The question did not warrant more.
That doesn't provide any substance or merit to your belligerence.
Vitriol has also been seethed many times in the past on this very
list. You seem perfectly happy to provide
On 6 May 2011 04:49, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote:
The question did not warrant more.
It clearly did, the problem is the question was fairly loaded, and
answering the question honestly would have contradicted your position.
That doesn't provide any substance or merit to your
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Al Gest himse...@gmail.com wrote:
It clearly did, the problem is the question was fairly loaded, and
answering the question honestly would have contradicted your position.
No, you tremendous ass. The question was framed to insult me if I'd
answered it. It's
On 6 May 2011 05:06, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote:
It's also irrelevant, because nobody is 'experiementing'
here. There are other routes for 'experimentation.'
Let me direct your attention to the original poster.
I'm not interested in how you think I come across. Fortunately,
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 4:20 AM, m...@factoryprime.net wrote:
Transparent terminals unnecessarily increase computational power
required to render simple text. They make a fundamental application
harder for a computer to run. This makes the core program less
portable by raising the hardware
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 6:11 AM, Al Gest himse...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not interested in how you think I come across. Fortunately,
idiots like you don't control my speech.
And yet you are clearly perturbed by it.
It is disturbing that there are human beings inept and retarded enough
to think
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 4:17 AM, Anders Andersson pipat...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd also like to compare that kind of retardness to people that have
lights *inside* their computer, complete with a window on the side of
the tower. Totally useless, wasting power, pollutes the vision by
shining
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 4:48 AM, errno er...@cox.net wrote:
I could of course make some really opinionated and abrasive statements
about people like you who choose to continue to use hardware terminal
emulators in lieu of, say, 9term - but that'd be uncool.
I hate hardware-emulation-terminals
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 1:17 AM, m...@factoryprime.net wrote:
People who want transparent terminals are incapable of learning anyway.
I'm curious, how did you come to this conclusion?
There is plenty of empirical evidence to back this up, just look at
this lists archives.
uriel
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 3:04 AM, Al Gest himse...@gmail.com wrote:
On 5 May 2011 21:12, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not telling anyone what they're allowed to do. I'm telling them
what they're doing is stupid shit, and that founding principle of
suckless is basically sound.
After 53 messages in this thread, gmail just flagged it as spam.
Would that be a feature? ;)
Jase
On 6 May 2011 06:29, Uriel ur...@berlinblue.org wrote:
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 1:17 AM, m...@factoryprime.net wrote:
People who want transparent termin...
There is plenty of empirical evidence
Hi,
Is this possible to run devilspie with dwm? I can't get it to work. I
want to match windows of particular apps and preform some actions on
them, but devilspie doesn't see any windows at all. Is there any
solution available? I've tried to get help on arch linux
forum/irc/mailing list and also
Hey,
On 4 May 2011 17:23, Maciej Sobkowski macie...@maciejjo.pl wrote:
Is this possible to run devilspie with dwm? I can't get it to work. I
want to match windows of particular apps and preform some actions on
them, but devilspie doesn't see any windows at all. Is there any
solution
from what I understand, devilspie assumes a reparenting window
manager, which is why you're not seeing any windows listed. What
operations are you trying to perform on these windows? Anything that
cannot be done in config.h?
I want to add transparency to terminal windows using transset-df. Is
this possible to acomplish within config.h file?
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Bryan Bennett bbenn...@gmail.com wrote:
from what I understand, devilspie assumes a reparenting window
manager, which is why you're not seeing
On 4 May 2011 20:59, Maciej Sobkowski macie...@maciejjo.pl wrote:
I want to add transparency to terminal windows using transset-df. Is
this possible to acomplish within config.h file?
This has been mentioned before on the list, generally transparency is
seen as a superfluous extra by most
Why not just use the built in transparency of the terminal?
I use urxvt with both real and fake transparency and I've
had absolutely no problem. Xterm, aterm, eterm, urxvt,
sakura, evilvte and lilyterm all support some sort of
transparency, so I don't see why devilspie OR that patch
are needed at
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