Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-10 Thread Marcel Plch
On Wed, Jul 05, 2023 at 09:59:27AM -0500, Dave Blanchard wrote: > On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 11:56:58 +0300 > Sergey Matveev wrote: > > > >I did manage to open you article, although I had to use a VPN. For some > > >reason website doesn't load without it. Greetings from Russia! > > > > It is available

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-07 Thread Lordkrandel
On 7/4/23 18:06, Nikita Krasnov wrote: > What would be the point of using minimalist software if > bloated and excessively complex programs completely > satisfy all my needs? Probably your needs don't align with the philosophy. I also use `Thunderbird`, as I receive HTML emails. `Firefox`,

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-06 Thread fossy
Agreed. Jeez, man! I'm answering to s many e-mails at once, that I might as well write a script for downloading, `sed`-ing the e-mail, answering to it and copying it, then pasting it deleting garbage.. Jokes aside, what the fuck did you start, Nikida? ;P > > Joking aside, this case

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-06 Thread fossy
I cannot believe that a lot of you still use the clear-net as it is! Instead of depending on it's limits, do yourself a favor and learn how to use I2P(https://i2pd.website) or at least Tor/Tor Browser (https://torproject.org) > On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 11:56:58 +0300 > Sergey Matveev wrote: > > > >I

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-06 Thread fossy
I feel the same way. Even the scrollback patched into St doesn't seem right (unless there's some other patch, I don't remember). Tmux fixes that, and.. well.. I prefer using Tmux, and it's pre-installed on OpenBSD, so what the hell? multiple cut-n-paste buffers? Could be one of more important

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-06 Thread fossy
Well.. althought I absolutely love anonymity and freedom (of speech and in generaL), bots and especially A.I. do have me concerned.. and I'm someone who wants I2P and Yggdrasil or some combination of that/something similar to be internet 2.0... so problems like that would exponantially rise. My

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-06 Thread fossy
> > I take a practical approach. I use simple programs when > > they do the job well, and more complex programs when > > they get the job done better. Sometimes a simple program > > can be useful for certain jobs, such as ones involving > > shell scripting, whereas a complex program may be more >

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-06 Thread fossy
> Hi all, > > I'd like to share some small X11 utilities that I've developed and have > been using in my daily setup. The utilities are all fairly small in > size and requires only typical X libraries. > > sxcs > > > This is a simple color picker and magnifier. My issue with all other >

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-06 Thread Yan Doroshenko
On 7/5/23 16:53, Dave Blanchard wrote: On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 11:55:59 +0300 Sergey Matveev wrote: *** s...@plunder.tech [2023-07-04 19:37]: I use ST without any patching, and have done so for years. It is very fast and works flawlessly in my experience. All the other terminals have serious

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-06 Thread dther
So, a lot of people have weighed in on this one email. So much so that it's taken up about my screen space in replies. I've decided to jump in with my own two cents, because why not. It's a fun question to chew on. I use minimal software because I find it fun to hack software, and I find peace of

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-06 Thread Daniel Littlewood
I tried to respond to the original question the other day but failed to set up text mode correctly. ugh. > What would be the point of using minimalist software if > bloated and excessively complex programs completely satisfy > all my needs? I think there are a couple of reasons. Not all of them

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-06 Thread Страхиња Радић
On 23/07/04 07:06PM, Nikita Krasnov wrote: > If I had used one of the bloated programs I probably could have found a > solution in one of the menus after reading few Stack Overflow answers. But > with Neovim I'd have to first find the program that would be suitable for > what I try to achieve,

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-06 Thread Страхиња Радић
On 23/07/04 07:06PM, Nikita Krasnov wrote: > What would be the point of using minimalist software if bloated and > excessively complex programs completely satisfy all my needs? Doing all that but with much less resources (in the broadest sense) wasted. On 23/07/04 01:16PM, Dave Blanchard wrote:

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-05 Thread sol
> Isn't that lovely, needing 15 different software packages set up > and running to do what ONE well designed piece of software > should be able to do by itself? You don't use tmux? What do you use instead?

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-05 Thread sol
On Wed, Jul 5, 2023, at 11:04, Dave Blanchard wrote: > as if I was the enemy of mankind. Are you, tho?

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-05 Thread Miles Rout
On 6 July 2023 3:04:47 am NZST, Dave Blanchard wrote: >On Thu, 06 Jul 2023 00:01:43 +1200 >Miles Rout wrote: > >> There is a page on the website advertising all the many patches available to >> improve st and dwm. >> Few if any other software projects provide that these days, and are >>

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-05 Thread Teodoro Santoni
2023-07-05 17:04 GMT+02:00, Dave Blanchard : > Actually few if any other software projects NEED to be patched to provide > basic ass functionality, like you know, SCROLLBACK BUFFERS IN A TERMINAL. These are not "any other software projects".

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-05 Thread LM
On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 8:16 PM wrote: > I use ST without any patching, and have done so for years. It is very fast > and > works flawlessly in my experience. All the other terminals have serious > issues. In general, I agree with that statement. Most of the terminals are based on vte and

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-05 Thread Sagar Acharya
I've worked most of the things out. Almost there. This is not for them. This is for you, the server host. 700,000 people, I will be very glad with such a market size. It is so true that people don't give a rat's ass about their privacy! 1 step at a time. Let us form the critical mass now that

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-05 Thread Nikita Krasnov
> Joking aside, this case you're referring to, the opening post is a troll > post in my books, just because one of the reasons for a fork was "spaces > vs tabs". > > On the other hand, you're a troll in my books too; so I'll stop feeding you. Well, everyone is a troll in your book it seems.

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-05 Thread Santtu Lakkala
On 4.7.2023 21.16, Dave Blanchard wrote: People on this email list tend to go to an extreme in favoring simplicity above all else, which is why they release dumpster fires like the ST terminal emulator for example which has absolutely no features at all, is riddled with bugs and compatibility

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-05 Thread Mattias Andrée
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 10:04:47 -0500 Dave Blanchard wrote: > On Thu, 06 Jul 2023 00:01:43 +1200 > Miles Rout wrote: > > > There is a page on the website advertising all the many patches available > > to improve st and dwm. > > Few if any other software projects provide that these days, and are

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-05 Thread Mattias Andrée
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 10:19:36 -0500 Dave Blanchard wrote: > On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 10:23:57 +0200 (CEST) > Sagar Acharya wrote: > > > That is exactly what I'm trying to achieve. Capital is whatI lack. Soon I > > will be releasing Libre-Ads, a random non-targeted ads system specially for > >

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-05 Thread Nikita Krasnov
Oh, what a shitshow did I just start with that thread... -- Nikita

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-05 Thread Sebastian LaVine
On Wed Jul 5, 2023 at 11:19 AM EDT, Dave Blanchard wrote: > On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 10:23:57 +0200 (CEST) > Sagar Acharya wrote: > > > That is exactly what I'm trying to achieve. Capital is whatI lack. Soon I > > will be releasing Libre-Ads, a random non-targeted ads system specially for > > Freedom

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-05 Thread Dave Blanchard
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 10:23:57 +0200 (CEST) Sagar Acharya wrote: > That is exactly what I'm trying to achieve. Capital is whatI lack. Soon I > will be releasing Libre-Ads, a random non-targeted ads system specially for > Freedom respecting people. > > So self-hosters can self sustain and they

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-05 Thread Dave Blanchard
On Thu, 06 Jul 2023 00:01:43 +1200 Miles Rout wrote: > There is a page on the website advertising all the many patches available to > improve st and dwm. > Few if any other software projects provide that these days, and are offended > by forks. Actually few if any other software projects

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-05 Thread Dave Blanchard
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 11:56:58 +0300 Sergey Matveev wrote: > >I did manage to open you article, although I had to use a VPN. For some > >reason website doesn't load without it. Greetings from Russia! > > It is available only through IPv6. I use https://ipv6.ip4market.ru/ > tunnel broker here to

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-05 Thread Dave Blanchard
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 11:55:59 +0300 Sergey Matveev wrote: > *** s...@plunder.tech [2023-07-04 19:37]: > >I use ST without any patching, and have done so for years. It is very fast > >and > >works flawlessly in my experience. All the other terminals have serious > >issues. > > Agreed! I use st

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-05 Thread Santtu Lakkala
On 5.7.2023 11.01, Nikita Krasnov wrote:> Where do *you* draw the line when it comes to what software to use? There's no reason to draw any lines, just use what works for you. Personally I prefer simple software for multitude reasons: - they start up faster than my attention span runs out -

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-05 Thread Miles Rout
On 5 July 2023 6:16:34 am NZST, Dave Blanchard wrote: >People on this email list tend to go to an extreme in favoring simplicity >above all else, which is why they release dumpster fires like the ST terminal >emulator for example which has absolutely no features at all, is riddled with >bugs

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-05 Thread Pontus Stenetorp
On Wed 05 Jul 2023, Nikita Krasnov wrote: > > > > I'm on this mailing list to stay in the loop on updates and patches to > > software I use. Not present evangelical arguments to someone who doesn't > > know what to believe in. > > [P]lus, it's not like it's too busy here anyways. Would you

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-05 Thread Sergey Matveev
*** Nikita Krasnov [2023-07-05 10:47]: >> Thanking you Sagar Acharya https://humaaraartha.in > >I did manage to open you article, although I had to use a VPN. For some >reason website doesn't load without it. Greetings from Russia! It is available only through IPv6. I use

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-05 Thread Sergey Matveev
*** s...@plunder.tech [2023-07-04 19:37]: >I use ST without any patching, and have done so for years. It is very fast and >works flawlessly in my experience. All the other terminals have serious >issues. Agreed! I use st for more than 10 years already and completely do not understand what are

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-05 Thread Nikita Krasnov
But at the end of the day, I'm not really interested in trying to forcefully "convert" you (or anyone else) since I believe that people should be able to do what they want with their computers. As if I'm against it. Convert me as much as you'd like to~ But in all seriousness though. I'll try

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-05 Thread Nikita Krasnov
One of the key problems I find today is that of separating bots from humans. If we fail to do so, bots can be innumerable speaking from a vast IPv6 space. All attempts to correct such attack will fail! Once we take a whitelisting approach, that of fixing IPv6 addresses and moving forward with

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-05 Thread Nikita Krasnov
I have analysed this a while ago, so I would point you to this nice article by me. https://humaaraartha.in/sagar/trusting_no_one.html Thanking you Sagar Acharya https://humaaraartha.in I did manage to open you article, although I had to use a VPN. For some reason website doesn't load without

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-05 Thread Nikita Krasnov
If you don't care then why are you here? Please don't take this personally. Controversy is really not the thing I was trying to achieve. I'm on this mailing list to stay in the loop on updates and patches to software I use. Not present evangelical arguments to someone who doesn't know what

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-05 Thread NRK
On Tue, Jul 04, 2023 at 07:06:12PM +0300, Nikita Krasnov wrote: > What would be the point of using minimalist software if bloated and > excessively complex programs completely satisfy all my needs? I ask this question the other way around, "Why would I use a bloated complex program when a simple

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-05 Thread Sagar Acharya
Well, firstly I suggest using disroot instead of gmail. That is a good start. One of the key problems I find today is that of separating bots from humans. If we fail to do so, bots can be innumerable speaking from a vast IPv6 space. All attempts to correct such attack will fail! Once we take

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-04 Thread Dave Blanchard
On Tue, 04 Jul 2023 19:37:14 -0400 s...@plunder.tech wrote: > > which is why they release dumpster fires like the ST terminal emulator for > > example > > which has absolutely no features at all, is riddled with bugs and > > compatibility > > problems, and requires extensive patching to add in

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-04 Thread sol
> which is why they release dumpster fires like the ST terminal emulator for > example > which has absolutely no features at all, is riddled with bugs and > compatibility > problems, and requires extensive patching to add in any useful features. I use ST without any patching, and have done so

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-04 Thread Mick Phillips
If you don't care then why are you here? I'm on this mailing list to stay in the loop on updates and patches to software I use. Not present evangelical arguments to someone who doesn't know what to believe in. Use the software, or don't. No one is holding a gun to your head.

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-04 Thread Hiltjo Posthuma
On Tue, Jul 04, 2023 at 01:16:34PM -0500, Dave Blanchard wrote: > I take a practical approach. I use simple programs when they do the job well, > and more complex programs when they get the job done better. Sometimes a > simple program can be useful for certain jobs, such as ones involving shell

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-04 Thread Nikita Krasnov
I take a practical approach. I use simple programs when they do the job well, and more complex programs when they get the job done better. Sometimes a simple program can be useful for certain jobs, such as ones involving shell scripting, whereas a complex program may be more useful for example

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-04 Thread Sagar Acharya
I have analysed this a while ago, so I would point you to this nice article by me. https://humaaraartha.in/sagar/trusting_no_one.html Thanking you Sagar Acharya https://humaaraartha.in 4 Jul 2023, 21:36 by nikita.nikita.kras...@gmail.com: > Just bear with me on this one, this is not a bait

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-04 Thread Dave Blanchard
I take a practical approach. I use simple programs when they do the job well, and more complex programs when they get the job done better. Sometimes a simple program can be useful for certain jobs, such as ones involving shell scripting, whereas a complex program may be more useful for example

Re: [dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-04 Thread Hiltjo Posthuma
On Tue, Jul 04, 2023 at 07:06:12PM +0300, Nikita Krasnov wrote: > Just bear with me on this one, this is not a bait or a troll, I promise. I > genuinely fell very confused. > > What would be the point of using minimalist software if bloated and > excessively complex programs completely satisfy

[dev] Minimalist software. Should I care?

2023-07-04 Thread Nikita Krasnov
Just bear with me on this one, this is not a bait or a troll, I promise. I genuinely fell very confused. What would be the point of using minimalist software if bloated and excessively complex programs completely satisfy all my needs? I am not the kind of person that works directly with