Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-13 Thread Uriel
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:26 AM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: Dillo is not really designed to be ported to use other toolkits Well, that's one more point for dillo then... To be tied up to a C++ toolkit is not a plus. uriel

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-13 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 5/12/11, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: A bit late but I thought it worth mentioning you don't even have to install Opera 11, just untar it and run in situ. I wrote a little script to cd to the highest-versioned dir matching ~/apps/opera-* and run the included script. I much

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-12 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On 6 May 2011, at 3:50 pm, Kurt H Maier wrote: On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 10:47 AM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: Because it's linked in or because it doesn't use it? Because most of it is compiled statically and the bits that are not are shipped in the tarball and installed in-tree. A

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-12 Thread Uriel
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Yoshi Rokuko yo...@rokuko.net wrote: + hiro ---+ About dillo again: last time I talked about fltk everyone here wanted to kill me and I had to change my phone number. Is this just because of C++ or are

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-12 Thread hiro
Dillo is not really designed to be ported to use other toolkits Well, that's one more point for dillo then...

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-10 Thread hiro
Too bad most of the web requires javasuck these days, I don't think we use the same web then...

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-09 Thread Yoshi Rokuko
+ hiro ---+ About dillo again: last time I talked about fltk everyone here wanted to kill me and I had to change my phone number. Is this just because of C++ or are there other reasons I've overseen? i really like dillo because it

RE: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-09 Thread Wolf Tivy
i really like dillo because it is fast, but i would really like to control it like surf ... so i would propose to use neither fltk nor gtk for a dillo gui. Agree. However, I think you still need some kind of widget madnes for html forms. Too bad most of the web requires javasuck these days,

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-07 Thread Abner
I would love to see a simple and fast image uncompressing library with a standard API for all them. if we just add support for compressing we can write simple tools to convert between file formats and change background images or write a nicer slock. and im sure jpg+png+gif can fit in less

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-07 Thread Ruben Mikkonen
That would be cool in my opinion, since I'm attraced to the concep of Abaco (and Acme). The only reason I don't regularly use Abaco is that it renders pages so poorly that it's much saner to use e.g. Surf. On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Jens Staal staal1...@gmail.com wrote: For a web browser I

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-06 Thread Pierre Chapuis
On Wed, 4 May 2011 21:30:28 +0200, Uriel wrote: In any case, Go's own DNS resolver is still there, and for example on ARM by default it still bypasses the libc for everything. Not for long. http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=1166 -- Pierre 'catwell' Chapuis

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-06 Thread hiro
The very monolithic busybox doesn't seem to fit with the rest in my view. Couldn't you possibly use stuff from 9base for this?

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-06 Thread Jakub Lach
May 2011 15:59 hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: For everything else on x86 you can use an old static opera (newer also want qt iirc). Nope. While quite big and and packed with features, new Opera can use plain X, and does not force cups, gtk, qt, dbus, hal etc

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-06 Thread hiro
Because it's linked in or because it doesn't use it? On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Jakub Lach jakub_l...@mailplus.pl wrote: May 2011 15:59 hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: For everything else on x86 you can use an old static opera  (newer also want qt iirc). Nope. While quite big and and

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-06 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 10:47 AM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: Because it's linked in or because it doesn't use it? Because most of it is compiled statically and the bits that are not are shipped in the tarball and installed in-tree. -- # Kurt H Maier

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-06 Thread pancake
new opera have its own widget library. but its closed source. which sucks. On 05/06/11 16:46, Jakub Lach wrote: May 2011 15:59 hiro23h...@googlemail.com wrote: For everything else on x86 you can use an old static opera (newer also want qt iirc). Nope. While quite big and and packed with

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-06 Thread hiro
Of course it sucks, but everything sucks less than webkit. About dillo again: last time I talked about fltk everyone here wanted to kill me and I had to change my phone number. Is this just because of C++ or are there other reasons I've overseen?

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-06 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 11:04 AM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: Of course it sucks, but everything sucks less than webkit. About dillo again: last time I talked about fltk everyone here wanted to kill me and I had to change my phone number. Is this just because of C++ or are there other

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-06 Thread hiro
Someone without any knowledge of C or English will actually pick me up with a small bus in a few hours. Must be coincidence I guess. I'm asking because some of the core developers have been asking on their mailing list what other fast and light toolkit to use. You know I don't want to start a

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-06 Thread ilf
On 05-06 17:04, hiro wrote: last time I talked about fltk everyone here wanted to kill me and I had to change my phone number. WTF. -- ilf Über 80 Millionen Deutsche benutzen keine Konsole. Klick dich nicht weg! -- Eine Initiative des Bundesamtes für Tastaturbenutzung

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-06 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 6 May 2011 17:13, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 11:04 AM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: Of course it sucks, but everything sucks less than webkit. About dillo again: last time I talked about fltk everyone here wanted to kill me and I had to change my

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-06 Thread pancake
Is the distance to the sun affecting in some way the mind of people in this mailing list? On 06/05/2011, at 20:33, Anselm R Garbe garb...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 May 2011 17:13, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 11:04 AM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: Of course

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-06 Thread hiro
Spot on, it's because of the Retinol. Sun rays are coming through the planks more frequently these days :)

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-06 Thread Jens Staal
For a web browser I would recommend NetSurf, not to be confused with surf (which is a shameful disgrace for the suckless project). Not to re-ignite the (very) volatile feelings on this list lately, but I just happened to stumble on a *nix port of abaco (http://lab-fgb.com/abaco/). Considering

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-04 Thread Uriel
On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 12:29 AM, Christian Neukirchen chneukirc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, this is the third public release of sabotage, a distribution based on musl and busybox.  Provided software is: This is a mildly interesting project that might have some potential. Please, replace gawk

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-04 Thread Kurt H Maier
Netsurf brings in libxml.On May 4, 2011 9:01 AM, Uriel ur...@berlinblue.org wrote: On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 12:29 AM, Christian Neukirchen chneukirc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, this is the third public release of sabotage, a distribution based on musl and busybox.  Provided software is: This is a

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-04 Thread Nick
On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 09:30:49AM -0400, Kurt H Maier wrote: Netsurf brings in libxml.brbrspan style=font-family:Prelude, Verdana, san-serif;brbr/spanspan id=signaturediv id=no_signature style=overflow:hidden;/div/spanspan style=color:navy; font-family:Prelude, Verdana, san-serif; hr

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-04 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Nick White n...@njw.me.uk wrote: I enjoyed the irony of this email. If there existed a patch for the webos email client to not do that shit, I would apply *so fast* And seriously, compare the code of netsurf and webkit-gtk sometime. I don't understand why

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-04 Thread Nick
On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 09:43:28AM -0400, Kurt H Maier wrote: On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Nick White n...@njw.me.uk wrote: And seriously, compare the code of netsurf and webkit-gtk sometime. I don't understand why netsurf seems to require libxml at runtime. I didn't know it did. Are

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-04 Thread Corey Thomasson
On May 4, 2011 9:01 AM, Uriel ur...@berlinblue.org wrote: On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 12:29 AM, Christian Neukirchen chneukirc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, this is the third public release of sabotage, a distribution based on musl and busybox. Provided software is: This is a mildly interesting

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-04 Thread pancake
Didnt knew netsurf. it looks fast. but... 1) keyboard support sucks (no way to change between tabs, and no way to switch between text fields, links, ... with tab) 2) dependencies: Depends On : libmng librsvg curl libglade lcms libjpeg=7 libwapcaplet libcss I don't get the point

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-04 Thread Nick
One thing you should know about netsurf is that there are a few different frontends which work on linux. You're looking at the GTK one, which is naturally heavier on dependencies. The other major one is a 'framebuffer' frontend, which is a generic api which can hook into x or directfb. I think

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-04 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Nick suckless-...@njw.me.uk wrote: I didn't know it did. Are you using a newish build? Using the packages for openbsd. The framebuffer port doesn't look that wierd. I still dream of writing a surf interface using netsurf's parsers libraries,

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-04 Thread pancake
On 05/04/11 16:31, Nick wrote: One thing you should know about netsurf is that there are a few different frontends which work on linux. You're looking at the GTK one, which is naturally heavier on dependencies. The other major one is a 'framebuffer' frontend, which is a generic api which can

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-04 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On 4 May 2011, at 4:27 pm, pancake wrote: i dont see the point of using libglade for the gtk backend... it's just the reason why it depends on libxml and this is probably the main bottleneck for loading the gtk UI... gtk is the main bottleneck for loading the gtk ui. it became an

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-04 Thread Nick
On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 05:27:26PM +0200, pancake wrote: On 05/04/11 16:31, Nick wrote: i dont see the point of using libglade for the gtk backend... it's just the reason why it depends on libxml and this is probably the main bottleneck for loading the gtk UI... I think their RISC OS frontend

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-04 Thread Uriel
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote: Netsurf brings in libxml. A web browser brings an xml parser?!? No shit! uriel

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-04 Thread Uriel
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Corey Thomasson cthom.li...@gmail.com wrote: Not quite. A few commits ago the net package was changed to use libc in places and dynamically link unfortunately Blame Apple that breaks any code that doesn't do networking via their luserspace crap. In any case,

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-04 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 5/4/11, Nick suckless-...@njw.me.uk wrote: 4) possibility to filter or ban ads? (custom js fun? custom css stuff?) I use privoxy for this; browser independant and generally a local proxy seems like the right place to do this sort of stuff. Putting this into the HTTP implementation, or in a

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-03 Thread pancake
I would love to see gcc, clang, tcc or Go.. Else i dont see the point of distributing make, patch, git and similar. An arm port would be great. Good job. It looks promising. On 01/05/2011, at 0:29, Christian Neukirchen chneukirc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, this is the third public release of

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-03 Thread Robert Ransom
On Wed, 4 May 2011 01:32:30 +0200 pancake panc...@youterm.com wrote: I would love to see gcc, clang, tcc or Go.. Else i dont see the point of distributing make, patch, git and similar. file-5.05 flex-2.5.35 gawk-3.1.8 gcc-core-4.5.3 git-1.7.4 gmp-5.0.1