[dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Jens Staal
Hi all. While waiting for Sta.li to be finnished, I started playing around with a custom ubuntu build that uses plan9port as default user interface on as many levels possible (inspired by some e-mails from Anselm that were lying around on the web). I am basically a total layman on this and I have

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Kris Maglione
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 09:09:08AM +0200, Jens Staal wrote: Hi all. While waiting for Sta.li to be finnished, I started playing around with a custom ubuntu build that uses plan9port as default user interface on as many levels possible (inspired by some e-mails from Anselm that were lying around

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Troels Henriksen
Kris Maglione maglion...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 09:09:08AM +0200, Jens Staal wrote: Hi all. While waiting for Sta.li to be finnished, I started playing around with a custom ubuntu build that uses plan9port as default user interface on as many levels possible (inspired by some

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Kris Maglione
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 05:58:55PM +0200, Troels Henriksen wrote: Kris Maglione maglion...@gmail.com writes: I'm more than a little surprised that you'd start with such an overgrown, hulking Goliath of a system such as Ubuntu. I think it says enough that it has aptitude, apt-get, apt-cache,

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Jens Staal
Yeah... along the way I have sort of figured that stuff ARE very complex (for example, PATH seems to be set and re-set several times during init and login and some environment variables seem very resistant to sticking, which probably means that there is a later event that I have yet to identify)

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Donald Allen
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Kris Maglione maglion...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 09:09:08AM +0200, Jens Staal wrote: Hi all. While waiting for Sta.li to be finnished, I started playing around with a custom ubuntu build that uses plan9port as default user interface on as

[dev] Re: [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread David Engster
Jens Staal writes: Stuff that seems to break the system - removing Bash (lots of warninigs after an aptitude purge bash and the boot hangs from the resulting iso) - which was surprising since most upstart things seem dash-controlled. The boot process probably needs some analysis... Is it

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Kris Maglione
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 01:17:49PM -0400, Donald Allen wrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Kris Maglione maglion...@gmail.com wrote: No. Slackware may be relatively simple, but it's no simpler than Arch or GoboLinux, and it has, by far, a weaker packaging system which leads to nothing but

Re: [dev] merp is a loneliness mitigation device written in python and Tk

2010-07-30 Thread hiro
I have not been able to get wm/irc to work under acme-sac. Is there something I'm missing? As I see now the snarf issue has been fixed one day after this discussion. The inferno host-window is not resizable yet as in i.e. 9vx or acme-sac, so it's still difficult for me to use it. I would also

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread hiro
I think this is a very nice distribution: tinycorelinux.com It uses busybox and sh scripts for it's base and definitely has no bash dependency. There's only one bad thing that comes to my mind: it has no man pages by default.

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Donald Allen
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Kris Maglione maglion...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 01:17:49PM -0400, Donald Allen wrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Kris Maglione maglion...@gmail.com wrote: No. Slackware may be relatively simple, but it's no simpler than Arch or

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Jens Staal
There is already a 9vx is already included in tiny core, so that was not much to play with :) I also think that the usage cases of tinycore/9vx and a plan9port-based normal distro are different, but I might be wrong. As I said at first, though. The whole thing is mostly for fun. It seems like a

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread hiro
Why, you could add plan9port to tinycore, perhaps you could make linux to somehow share the namespace so that it could access all those neat 9p services... I'm currently playing around with inferno on tinycore and will probably package it up soon. But I have no idea how /lack the skills to

Re: [dev] [dwm] adding WM_WINDOW_ROLE rule

2010-07-30 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On 27 Jul 2010, at 1:03, Kris Maglione wrote: On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:53:12AM +0100, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: On 26 Jul 2010, at 11:48, Rob wrote: There is something that make me sad with dwm, there is a lack of role rules for clients. I explain : clients have instance and name using

Re: [dev] [dwm] adding WM_WINDOW_ROLE rule

2010-07-30 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On 28 Jul 2010, at 2:24, Kris Maglione wrote: On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:55:14AM +0200, Uriel wrote: On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Kris Maglione maglion...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:09:22PM +0100, Anselm R Garbe wrote: I think the right thing to do would be to extend

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On 30 Jul 2010, at 7:48, Jens Staal wrote: One reason I looked at debian-based systems at first was that they allegedly had gotten rid of Bash-isms in their init scripts (in contrast to Arch), but since the ISO refused to boot after I removed Bash, I am sort of sceptical about that... If I

Re: [dev] [dwm] adding WM_WINDOW_ROLE rule

2010-07-30 Thread Kris Maglione
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 02:12:39AM +0100, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: On 28 Jul 2010, at 2:24, Kris Maglione wrote: On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:55:14AM +0200, Uriel wrote: I have to admit that I don't make a strong distinction between XML and Java, but fontconfig really isn't X. It's just an

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Kris Maglione
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 02:51:53AM +0100, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: On 30 Jul 2010, at 7:48, Jens Staal wrote: One reason I looked at debian-based systems at first was that they allegedly had gotten rid of Bash-isms in their init scripts (in contrast to Arch), but since the ISO refused to

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On the subject of distros I would like to promote Source Mage as a class above Gentoo and Arch, although it's really not the right distro for this topic. I think of it as a class above the purely rolling update distros because the Source Mage folk found a way to produce a fairly reliable

[dev] [dmenu] dinput make error

2010-07-30 Thread Andrew Antle
Hello - dmenu fails to compile from tip. I got this message: make: *** No rule to make target `dinput', needed by `all'. Stop. I removed `dinput` from `all`. It compiled successfully, with one warning: config.h:11: warning: ‘spaceitem’ defined but not used I know CLS has been doing a

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Kris Maglione
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 02:47:45PM -0400, Donald Allen wrote: I never said ‘weaker’ meant simpler. That's true and I didn't say you did. You said it was 'weaker' and I said it's 'simpler' (but not *too* simple). You certainly implied that I was arguing against simplicity, which I very

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Kris Maglione
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 03:35:46AM +0100, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: On the subject of distros I would like to promote Source Mage as a class above Gentoo and Arch, although it's really not the right distro for this topic. I think of it as a class above the purely rolling update distros

Re: [dev] [dmenu] dinput make error

2010-07-30 Thread Connor Lane Smith
Darn, I hoped no one would notice my mistake until I got back to a computer with internet access. I'll fix it tomorrow; I have a big patch ready. As for the spaceitem warning, just update your config.h by removing it - it's not in config.def.h. (Sorry for the html. Android.) Thanks, cls On Jul

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread 1
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:04:45PM -0400, Kris Maglione wrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 05:58:55PM +0200, Troels Henriksen wrote: No. Slackware may be relatively simple, but it's no simpler than Arch or GoboLinux, and it has, by far, a weaker packaging system which leads to nothing but

Re: [dev] merp is a loneliness mitigation device written in python and Tk

2010-07-30 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On 30 Jul 2010, at 7:09, hiro wrote: I have not been able to get wm/irc to work under acme-sac. Is there something I'm missing? As I see now the snarf issue has been fixed one day after this discussion. The inferno host-window is not resizable yet as in i.e. 9vx or acme-sac, so it's still

Re: [dev] [dwm] adding WM_WINDOW_ROLE rule

2010-07-30 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On 31 Jul 2010, at 3:33, Kris Maglione wrote: On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 02:12:39AM +0100, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: On 28 Jul 2010, at 2:24, Kris Maglione wrote: On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:55:14AM +0200, Uriel wrote: I have to admit that I don't make a strong distinction between XML and

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On 31 Jul 2010, at 3:54, Kris Maglione wrote: On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 03:35:46AM +0100, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: On the subject of distros I would like to promote Source Mage as a class above Gentoo and Arch, although it's really not the right distro for this topic. I think of it as a

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Donald Allen
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Kris Maglione maglion...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 02:47:45PM -0400, Donald Allen wrote: I never said ‘weaker’ meant simpler. That's true and I didn't say you did. You said it was 'weaker' and I said it's 'simpler' (but not *too* simple).