[dev] [OT] a "suckless" plasmid

2018-10-16 Thread Jens Staal
Dear all, Just wanted to share a preprint describing the generation of a minimalistic plasmid which got 56% size reduction from elimination of "useless bloat" DNA code, while actually gaining additional functionality (more restriction enzyme cloning sites).

[dev] (academic) reading suggestions associated to the minimalist/suckless design philosophy?

2018-06-29 Thread Jens Staal
Dear all, Do you have any reading suggestions (preferably academic papers, but books might also work) in alignment with the "suckless philosophy" (or "minimalism"). It does not have to be specifically programming, it could also be engineering and design in general (art might be a stretch, but

Re: [dev] Some core tools

2017-02-09 Thread Jens Staal
On Thu, Feb 09, 2017 at 10:17:13AM +, sylvain.bertr...@gmail.com wrote: > On Thu, Feb 09, 2017 at 09:29:08AM +0100, Jens Staal wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 06:37:39PM -0500, stephen Turner wrote: > > > From a user perspective it has been a treat. I had issues wit

Re: [dev] Some core tools

2017-02-09 Thread Jens Staal
On Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 06:37:39PM -0500, stephen Turner wrote: > From a user perspective it has been a treat. I had issues with the GNU > M4 compiling on a embedded musl and PCC system but this M4 compiled > quick and clean. The only potential downside i can think of is it may > not be well

Re: [dev] [sbase][PATCH] Add factor(1)

2016-02-26 Thread Jens Staal
On 2016 M02 26, Fri 09:11:20 CET Mattias Andrée wrote: > I'm actually using factor. And it is in base systems, so > I think it should be included, but I will be simplifying > it. What about including it in ubase instead?

Re: [dev] [sbase] Portability

2015-11-26 Thread Jens Staal
On torsdag 26 november 2015 kl. 01:52:23 CET Random832 wrote: > Also, if these are added should they go in libutil or a new "libcompat"? I also had issues with fmemopen among other things when I ported sbase to the new 9front ports tree (using APE). For a lot of stuff I had to resort to using

Re: [dev] Re: Stali RC

2015-10-02 Thread Jens Staal
On Friday 02 October 2015 16.59.57 Christian Neukirchen wrote: > (Statically linking X11 apps results in massively bloated binaries, > I can't recommend it.) Anyone tried a static wayland dwm-like client like velox and its wayland- ported variants of st and dmenu?

Re: [dev] hotkey (1) - a suckless global keybinder

2014-02-09 Thread Jens Staal
On Sunday 09 February 2014 01:22:00 Calvin Morrison wrote: I h8 licensing schemes which make me read the text... somebody call their lawyer and sue, looks like mit is not 4 me. have a look at the poetic license http://www.genaud.net/2005/10/poetic-license/ ... its cute while still saying

Re: [dev] [sbase] move mknod(1) to ubase

2014-01-25 Thread Jens Staal
On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 22:59:03 + sin s...@2f30.org wrote: I am inclined to just keep these tools in sbase. Apparently Haiku does not really use major/minor numbers for the devices (they are set to 0). Other point is to think what is the number of system where makedev is not supported,

Re: [dev] l9fb: Linux framebuffer over 9p server

2013-12-26 Thread Jens Staal
On Wednesday 25 December 2013 13:36:29 Strake wrote: https://github.com/strake/l9fb Future goals: * make a terminal emulator * make a tiling window organizer with same interface * make the X window system my ex-window system Very cool! Would it be possible to hook up the devwsys to this?

Re: tinycore - Used to be [dev] I'm back

2013-10-22 Thread Jens Staal
On Monday 21 October 2013 14:43:16 Carlos Torres wrote: On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 1:15 PM, hiro 23h...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, tinycore's biggest failure is that it's too difficult to find the right man pages of certain packages. I knew tinycore wouldn't have docs included, they say so in the

Re: [dev] Suckless Laser GUI

2013-07-02 Thread Jens Staal
On 2013-07-02 12:33, David wrote: Am 02.07.2013 09:46, schrieb Edgaras: On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 08:11:36AM +0200, David wrote: Am 02.07.2013 07:08, schrieb Edgaras: I think you should reconsider tk, though you need to install tcl and tk, tk is quite nice to work with (with exception of some

Re: [dev] [sbase] built with watcom

2013-06-18 Thread Jens Staal
On 2013-06-18 16:58, Christoph Lohmann wrote: Greetings. On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 16:58:58 +0200 Jens Staal staal1...@gmail.com wrote: I have no idea if anyone is interested, but a large part of sbase built with the open watcom compiler using its included (rather limited) c-library... mostly

Re: [dev] [sbase] built with watcom

2013-06-18 Thread Jens Staal
On tis 18 jun 2013 21:38:45, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Jens Staal dixit: How does someone use that package on a working Linux distribution? That depends on how you define working. Did nobody fork Arch from before it became poettering’d and UsrMove’d yet? May call it Hintern Linux ;-) Indeed

Re: [dev] [sbase] built with watcom

2013-06-18 Thread Jens Staal
On 2013-06-18 22:04, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Jens Staal dixit: I am looking at Alpine at the moment... uclibc/busybox based That is precisely the thing I was *not* addressing by stating “company-use” ☺ Don’t get me wrong, I’ve started toying with something musl too, but for “at work” you

Re: [dev] System shell for sta.li

2013-04-27 Thread Jens Staal
On 2013-04-27 21:47, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Anselm R Garbe dixit: Can you elaborate on this functionality a bit that mksh provides, but pdksh doesn't? Not easily; the last release of pdksh was in 1999, and mksh is actively developed; even pointing out every single bugfix, for POSuX

Re: [dev] Call for pkgsrc users

2013-04-13 Thread Jens Staal
On Thursday 11 April 2013 12.02.42 Hugues Moretto-Viry wrote: 2013/4/11 Patrick Haller 201009-suckl...@haller.ws Anyway, pancake's contributing to voidlinux so I'll try void. Any other good rolling release distros? Didn't know it. I'll give it a try. Thank you. -- H.Moretto --

Re: [dev] [suckless] Migration to git

2012-11-26 Thread Jens Staal
måndagen den 26 november 2012 11.48.09 skrev Roberto E. Vargas Caballero: Perl dependency in git is present only in no basic commands. You can remove it and the core system will follow working. does anyone have experience with libgit2 ? It seems to be pure C and only depend on zlib. I

Re: [dev] Re: I'm back

2012-11-18 Thread Jens Staal
söndagen den 18 november 2012 14.04.27 skrev Christian Neukirchen: There are probably more sabotage forks than users by now. :) I don't know which ones does the symlink-stuff, but I can also tell you about my ideas then. The rofl0r one is the one I consider upstream and he releases disk

Re: [dev] I'm back

2012-11-17 Thread Jens Staal
lördagen den 17 november 2012 14.50.23 skrev Kurt H Maier: On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 06:20:03PM +0100, Anselm R Garbe wrote: sta.li -- To me archlinux was a good distro until a couple of years ago. Nowadays it seems to be very en vogue and thus has degraded quite significantly in

Re: [dev] a suckless init system?

2012-08-16 Thread Jens Staal
torsdagen den 16 augusti 2012 06.59.45 skrev pancake: Using mk takes sense as long as init scripts are a dependency based system. Please go on. That looks fun Looks like doing suckless software implies surviving to troll comments. Your software will be suckless when trolls stop throwing

Re: [dev] [surf] port for gtk3

2012-06-19 Thread Jens Staal
tisdagen den 19 juni 2012 11.11.14 skrev Calvin Morrison: All of that, to say - we cannot (and I don't think anyone does) pretend that surf's underlying core doesn't suck - glib is a nightmare to work with and Qt isn't much better. the whole g-blob is terrible, but we wrap it up and pretend

[dev] obase - Sta.li moving forward?

2012-06-05 Thread Jens Staal
Hi I was playing with packaging Christian's obase for Arch https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=56826 and an easy-to-chroot package to complement it https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=59735 The idea I had was that one could use this environment as a gradual experimental environment

[dev] mkmk for plan9port/9base?

2012-05-03 Thread Jens Staal
Hi all I just wondered if anyone has tried to adopt mkmk [1] to 9base and/or plan9port. In my (rather amateurish) attempts to port various stuff to plan9 [2], I have found mkmk to be a really great tool to make mkfiles for various packages that otherwise need autoconf etc... I just read up on

Re: [dev] Bifrost/Linux - statically linked distro

2011-11-23 Thread Jens Staal
Really cool! And apparently it is actively developed and binaries can be found here: http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/Linux/distributions/bifrost/v7/ I also found it interesting with the talk linked on the page discussing the guilty components making it difficult to build an all-static system.

Re: [dev] [dwm] 2000 SLOC

2011-10-31 Thread Jens Staal
2011/11/1 Nick suckless-...@njw.me.uk: Quoth Peter John Hartman: ... Task maybe-one-maybe-two: make it play nice with webkit-gtk compiled against gtk3. Gtk3 probably sucks less than 2, but regardless, it's the future of webkit-gtk. Further into the future, hopefully an EFL based webkit port

Re: [dev] sbase

2011-05-23 Thread Jens Staal
2011/5/23 ilf i...@zeromail.org: On 05-23 05:37, Jens Staal wrote: For fun, I have been trying to replace GNU with Busybox: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Base2busybox Heirloom: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Base2heirloom Plan9port: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php

Re: [dev] sbase

2011-05-22 Thread Jens Staal
If you want to replace stuff in a standard distribution with something else I guess it should have the same features as the thing you are replacing (except for the redundant and/or un-needed ones) For fun, I have been trying to replace GNU with Busybox:

Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-05-06 Thread Jens Staal
For a web browser I would recommend NetSurf, not to be confused with surf (which is a shameful disgrace for the suckless project). Not to re-ignite the (very) volatile feelings on this list lately, but I just happened to stumble on a *nix port of abaco (http://lab-fgb.com/abaco/). Considering

Re: [dev] which minimal os

2011-02-11 Thread Jens Staal
another alternative is 9vx http://swtch.com/9vx/ and then tcere is the 9vx + Tiny Core linux distribution (Tvx) http://tinycorelinux.com/forum/index.php?topic=6026.0 2011/2/12 Stanley Lieber stanley.lie...@gmail.com: I never had a computer that could run plan9 without a couple hundred

Re: [dev] Stali

2011-02-01 Thread Jens Staal
Very cool! I am looking forward to the progress. On a related note - if someone knows how to build stuff against bionic.a, feel free to provide a link with documentation :) I would like to package various things in AUR against this library to see what it can do. 2011/1/31 Anselm R Garbe

Re: [dev] Re: sta.li progress

2010-12-20 Thread Jens Staal
In the instructions given in the URL below it is described how openssl is compiled with this bionic: https://bitbucket.org/jrossi/metasploit/src/7f4bdc5394ca/documentation/posix_meterpreter.txt I was planning to try to make a -static-bionic variant of this package:

Re: [dev] Using a different rendering engine for surf

2010-11-08 Thread Jens Staal
Just found this as well. Perhaps interesting, perhaps not... http://www.directfb.org/index.php?path=Main/Newsentry=2010-10-27-0.dok 2010/10/22 Paul Onyschuk bl...@bojary.koba.pl: What about EFL (Enlightenment Foundation Libraries) Webkit? It isn't so feature rich as Chromium or Webkit-gtk, but

Re: [dev] anyone played with mkinit?

2010-11-08 Thread Jens Staal
...@berlinblue.org: On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 4:50 AM, Jens Staal staal1...@gmail.com wrote: http://9fans.net/archive/2009/10/375 https://lug.rose-hulman.edu/svn/misc/trunk/mkinit/ apparently still with bashisms due to issues with rc (does not mention which) but seems cool and perhaps something

Re: [dev] [OT] ubuntu moves to wayland from xorg

2010-11-05 Thread Jens Staal
For those that might be interested in the c++ enbling modifications to Android NDK I found the URL again http://www.crystax.net/android/ndk.php Sort of the wrong list, I know, but it was in the context of Clang and a hypothetical use in sta.li that I got thinking about it. 2010/11/5 Jens Staal

Re: [dev] Re: sta.li progress

2010-10-28 Thread Jens Staal
In my simple mind it might be easier to modify bionic to become 'a port of *BSD libc' (adding missing syscalls and whatnot) than to port it all to Linux from scratch? 2010/10/28 finkler fink...@officinamentis.org: On 10/12/10 07:58, Wolf Tivy wrote: 2. Demonstrate stand-alone static binaries

Re: [dev] Re: sta.li progress

2010-10-28 Thread Jens Staal
On a related note. Has anyone tried to compile APE on p9p? Would the APE libc compiled under p9p be possible to use as a POSIX libc on linux? (I might try compiling APE under p9p tonight when I get home if nobody has tried this yet) A second issue is: Does p9p libc get (L)GPL contaminated by the

Re: [dev] sta.li progress

2010-10-13 Thread Jens Staal
Are those issues already solved by http://www.metasploit.com/redmine/attachments/433/get_bionic_working.diff ? 2010/10/13 Corey Thomasson cthom.li...@gmail.com: On 12 October 2010 20:58, Wolf Tivy wti...@my.bcit.ca wrote: I've managed to make it compile a good chunk of the object files, but

Re: [dev] sta.li progress

2010-10-13 Thread Jens Staal
searching for something like this. I'll check it out. On 13 October 2010 08:29, Jens Staal staal1...@gmail.com wrote: Are those issues already solved by http://www.metasploit.com/redmine/attachments/433/get_bionic_working.diff ? 2010/10/13 Corey Thomasson cthom.li...@gmail.com: On 12 October

Re: [dev] sta.li progress

2010-10-12 Thread Jens Staal
There is some kind of bionic.a used in this Metasploit project (POSIX meterpreter). I am not sure how general purpose it is but apparendly uclibc could be replaced completely. http://www.metasploit.com/redmine/issues/2418 2010/10/12 Wolf Tivy wti...@my.bcit.ca: 2. Demonstrate stand-alone static

Re: [dev] static bionic libc ...

2010-10-09 Thread Jens Staal
no ofcourse not :) I just got this association in my head and thought it was so cool so I wanted to share it with someone (hence the sorry if this came out as a brainfart post scriptum) 2010/10/9 Adrian ingol...@gmail.com: Because the most important thing about a libc is the name...

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-31 Thread Jens Staal
By the way - the Bash dependency seems to be relatively downstream and might be resolved. I have this funny effect now that I can not log in from the slim DM, but i can log into the console started from slim (but not start an x session) I think this might be solvable :) (found some interesting

Re: [dev] How about sta.li ?

2010-07-31 Thread Jens Staal
Another, sort of related question: how has it worked out with the static binaries of 9base etc built with bionic? I was thinking, perhaps a static binary repository could be a good start :) 2010/7/31 Anselm R Garbe garb...@gmail.com: Hi Krankkatze, On 31 July 2010 19:43, Krankkatze

[dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Jens Staal
Hi all. While waiting for Sta.li to be finnished, I started playing around with a custom ubuntu build that uses plan9port as default user interface on as many levels possible (inspired by some e-mails from Anselm that were lying around on the web). I am basically a total layman on this and I have

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Jens Staal
stuff has already been cleaned out once (and since I am on a sidux box, I think I am more inclined to try to mess with that family...). 2010/7/30 Troels Henriksen at...@sigkill.dk Kris Maglione maglion...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 09:09:08AM +0200, Jens Staal wrote: Hi all

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Jens Staal
There is already a 9vx is already included in tiny core, so that was not much to play with :) I also think that the usage cases of tinycore/9vx and a plan9port-based normal distro are different, but I might be wrong. As I said at first, though. The whole thing is mostly for fun. It seems like a