Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-31 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On 31 Jul 2010, at 5:16, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: On 31 Jul 2010, at 3:54, Kris Maglione wrote: On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 03:35:46AM +0100, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: On the subject of distros I would like to promote Source Mage as a class above Gentoo and Arch, although it's really not

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-31 Thread Jens Staal
By the way - the Bash dependency seems to be relatively downstream and might be resolved. I have this funny effect now that I can not log in from the slim DM, but i can log into the console started from slim (but not start an x session) I think this might be solvable :) (found some interesting

[dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Jens Staal
Hi all. While waiting for Sta.li to be finnished, I started playing around with a custom ubuntu build that uses plan9port as default user interface on as many levels possible (inspired by some e-mails from Anselm that were lying around on the web). I am basically a total layman on this and I have

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Kris Maglione
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 09:09:08AM +0200, Jens Staal wrote: Hi all. While waiting for Sta.li to be finnished, I started playing around with a custom ubuntu build that uses plan9port as default user interface on as many levels possible (inspired by some e-mails from Anselm that were lying around

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Troels Henriksen
Kris Maglione maglion...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 09:09:08AM +0200, Jens Staal wrote: Hi all. While waiting for Sta.li to be finnished, I started playing around with a custom ubuntu build that uses plan9port as default user interface on as many levels possible (inspired by some

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Kris Maglione
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 05:58:55PM +0200, Troels Henriksen wrote: Kris Maglione maglion...@gmail.com writes: I'm more than a little surprised that you'd start with such an overgrown, hulking Goliath of a system such as Ubuntu. I think it says enough that it has aptitude, apt-get, apt-cache,

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Jens Staal
Yeah... along the way I have sort of figured that stuff ARE very complex (for example, PATH seems to be set and re-set several times during init and login and some environment variables seem very resistant to sticking, which probably means that there is a later event that I have yet to identify)

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Donald Allen
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Kris Maglione maglion...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 09:09:08AM +0200, Jens Staal wrote: Hi all. While waiting for Sta.li to be finnished, I started playing around with a custom ubuntu build that uses plan9port as default user interface on as

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Kris Maglione
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 01:17:49PM -0400, Donald Allen wrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Kris Maglione maglion...@gmail.com wrote: No. Slackware may be relatively simple, but it's no simpler than Arch or GoboLinux, and it has, by far, a weaker packaging system which leads to nothing but

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread hiro
I think this is a very nice distribution: tinycorelinux.com It uses busybox and sh scripts for it's base and definitely has no bash dependency. There's only one bad thing that comes to my mind: it has no man pages by default.

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Donald Allen
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Kris Maglione maglion...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 01:17:49PM -0400, Donald Allen wrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Kris Maglione maglion...@gmail.com wrote: No. Slackware may be relatively simple, but it's no simpler than Arch or

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Jens Staal
There is already a 9vx is already included in tiny core, so that was not much to play with :) I also think that the usage cases of tinycore/9vx and a plan9port-based normal distro are different, but I might be wrong. As I said at first, though. The whole thing is mostly for fun. It seems like a

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread hiro
Why, you could add plan9port to tinycore, perhaps you could make linux to somehow share the namespace so that it could access all those neat 9p services... I'm currently playing around with inferno on tinycore and will probably package it up soon. But I have no idea how /lack the skills to

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On 30 Jul 2010, at 7:48, Jens Staal wrote: One reason I looked at debian-based systems at first was that they allegedly had gotten rid of Bash-isms in their init scripts (in contrast to Arch), but since the ISO refused to boot after I removed Bash, I am sort of sceptical about that... If I

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Kris Maglione
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 02:51:53AM +0100, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: On 30 Jul 2010, at 7:48, Jens Staal wrote: One reason I looked at debian-based systems at first was that they allegedly had gotten rid of Bash-isms in their init scripts (in contrast to Arch), but since the ISO refused to

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On the subject of distros I would like to promote Source Mage as a class above Gentoo and Arch, although it's really not the right distro for this topic. I think of it as a class above the purely rolling update distros because the Source Mage folk found a way to produce a fairly reliable

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Kris Maglione
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 02:47:45PM -0400, Donald Allen wrote: I never said ‘weaker’ meant simpler. That's true and I didn't say you did. You said it was 'weaker' and I said it's 'simpler' (but not *too* simple). You certainly implied that I was arguing against simplicity, which I very

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Kris Maglione
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 03:35:46AM +0100, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: On the subject of distros I would like to promote Source Mage as a class above Gentoo and Arch, although it's really not the right distro for this topic. I think of it as a class above the purely rolling update distros

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread 1
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:04:45PM -0400, Kris Maglione wrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 05:58:55PM +0200, Troels Henriksen wrote: No. Slackware may be relatively simple, but it's no simpler than Arch or GoboLinux, and it has, by far, a weaker packaging system which leads to nothing but

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On 31 Jul 2010, at 3:54, Kris Maglione wrote: On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 03:35:46AM +0100, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: On the subject of distros I would like to promote Source Mage as a class above Gentoo and Arch, although it's really not the right distro for this topic. I think of it as a

Re: [dev] [9buntu] first attempt -bashing needed

2010-07-30 Thread Donald Allen
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Kris Maglione maglion...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 02:47:45PM -0400, Donald Allen wrote: I never said ‘weaker’ meant simpler. That's true and I didn't say you did. You said it was 'weaker' and I said it's 'simpler' (but not *too* simple).