Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2012-01-19 Thread QUINTIN Guillaume
Hi, It was a long time ago. I just loooked at the code. I think it should work with a few changes. I do not use these layouts anymore. I first began with wmii, then dwm. I, of course, missed the wmii ``capabilities so I wrote dwmii.c. But, with time, I realized that moving the windows from column

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2012-01-18 Thread dtk
On 01/08/2012 10:30 AM, John Matthewman wrote: I would like a window manager that has wmii's acme-like window management, but without the 9P filesystem, wmiir, support for configuration via python, ruby, etc. use dwm as a base to build upon +1 I imagine having a stacked layout + manual

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2012-01-08 Thread John Matthewman
On 1/8/12, Anselm R Garbe garb...@gmail.com wrote: Someone could implement a stacked mode patch for dwm based on two extra windows (similar to the dwm bar) per column -- wouldn't be too hard. I would like a window manager that has wmii's acme-like window management, but without the 9P

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2012-01-08 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 8 January 2012 10:30, John Matthewman jmatthew...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/8/12, Anselm R Garbe garb...@gmail.com wrote: Someone could implement a stacked mode patch for dwm based on two extra windows (similar to the dwm bar) per column -- wouldn't be too hard. I would like a window manager

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2012-01-08 Thread Suraj N. Kurapati
On Sun 08 Jan 2012 04:30:47 PM PST, John Matthewman wrote: I would like a window manager that has wmii's acme-like window management, but without the 9P filesystem, wmiir, support for configuration via python, ruby, etc. Try i3, which was inspired by wmii: http://i3wm.org/ -- If something has

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2012-01-08 Thread Thomas Dahms
2012/1/8 John Matthewman jmatthew...@gmail.com: I would like a window manager that has wmii's acme-like window management, but without the 9P filesystem, wmiir, support for configuration via python, ruby, etc. Trim the fat off of it (or perhaps it would be better to use dwm as a base to build

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2012-01-08 Thread John Matthewman
On 1/9/12, Thomas Dahms thmsd...@googlemail.com wrote: 2012/1/8 John Matthewman jmatthew...@gmail.com: I would like a window manager that has wmii's acme-like window management, but without the 9P filesystem, wmiir, support for configuration via python, ruby, etc. Trim the fat off of it (or

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2012-01-07 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann fim 5.jan 2012 23:12, skrifaði Connor Lane Smith: That's not inherent to GUIs, it just so happens that existing GUIs are extremely poorly made. It's not interaction which needs to be logged so much as the modification of persistent data -- files and such -- which could easily be logged by

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2012-01-07 Thread Connor Lane Smith
On 7 January 2012 17:26, Bjartur Thorlacius svartma...@gmail.com wrote: That's not enough. I want the output of all commands (messages, documents, calculations, notes and error reports) to be stored on increasingly mainstream terabyte disks along with enough metadata to uniquely identify it.

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2012-01-07 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sat, Jan 07, 2012 at 05:50:06PM +, Connor Lane Smith wrote: So long as you have the input state for those commands -- the files themselves -- why must we log the output for each and every command? Error correction. If we know the state of the directory, why log invocations of `ls`? ls

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2012-01-07 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 7 January 2012 20:21, de...@gmx.de wrote: But for me, wmii's window managing is far better than dwm's one. I tried dwm for eight weeks. Now back to wmii. I like the stagged mode at most. I like window titles. I like columns. Someone could implement a stacked mode patch for dwm based on two

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2012-01-05 Thread David Tweed
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 7:02 AM, Patrick Haller 201009-suckl...@haller.ws wrote: On 2012-01-01 21:13, Suraj N. Kurapati wrote: So I considered the trade-offs between SLOC minimalism, project and community activity, and my productivity in DWM vs. WMII and finally decided to switch back to WMII

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2012-01-05 Thread Connor Lane Smith
Hey, On 5 January 2012 14:19, David Tweed david.tw...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not aware of any way of either storing or, more importantly, searching a user's interaction with the GUI apps on a computer system. That's not inherent to GUIs, it just so happens that existing GUIs are extremely poorly

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2012-01-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 11:12:44PM +, Connor Lane Smith wrote: That's not inherent to GUIs, it just so happens that existing GUIs are extremely poorly made. It's not interaction which needs to be logged so much as the modification of persistent data -- files and such -- which could easily

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2012-01-02 Thread hiro
I don't understand how this is related to your quote? You always execute ls when you cd to a different folder? On 02.01.2012, Patrick Haller 201009-suckl...@haller.ws wrote: On 2012-01-01 21:13, Suraj N. Kurapati wrote: So I considered the trade-offs between SLOC minimalism, project and

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2012-01-02 Thread Patrick Haller
On 2012-01-02 12:26, hiro wrote: I don't understand how this is related to your quote? Suraj re-evaluated his toolset. I think the re-evaluation part is a good idea, however it seems you could spend too much time doing it. You always execute ls when you cd to a different folder? in

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2012-01-02 Thread hiro
You can also use du instead of cd;ls Overloading simple, old, standard commands is bad for my inflexible brain. The X11 stuff is way too difficult for me to care.

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2012-01-01 Thread Suraj N. Kurapati
On Sat 24 Dec 2011 12:13:04 PM PST, dtk wrote: On 12/22/2011 05:54 PM, Suraj N. Kurapati wrote: I'm another WMII expatriate and I'm still not completely used to DWM's lack of on-the-fly tag creation: especially when some new random task comes up and all of my tags are currently occupied.

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2012-01-01 Thread David Kowis
On 01/01/2012 11:13 PM, Suraj N. Kurapati wrote: Good point. After seeing people take SLOC minimalism further than the suckless community's beloved DWM (c.f. MonsterWM), I realized that it all came down to *choice* and that I actually had a choice. So I considered the trade-offs between

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2012-01-01 Thread Patrick Haller
On 2012-01-01 21:13, Suraj N. Kurapati wrote: So I considered the trade-offs between SLOC minimalism, project and community activity, and my productivity in DWM vs. WMII and finally decided to switch back to WMII (which I used since six years prior). How often do people re-evaluate their

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2011-12-24 Thread dtk
Hey cls, On 12/22/2011 04:57 PM, Connor Lane Smith wrote: On 22 December 2011 16:36, dtk d...@gmx.de wrote: nope, 32 is aplenty. Thing is, in wmii I create them on demand and name them dynamically (to reflect their purpose), which conveniently groups them as well. I just don't want the tag I

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2011-12-24 Thread Connor Lane Smith
On 24 December 2011 12:08, dtk d...@gmx.de wrote: So, what's the policy here? All future development in patches, so we don't spoil that fancy 2K SLOC statistic everybody is so fond of? :/ *sceptic* Hah. :) We fold in popular patches, slowly, so dwm doesn't become all bloated and unstable. My

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2011-12-24 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 12/24/11, Connor Lane Smith c...@lubutu.com wrote: I'm not sure a screenshot is necessary. It would just be a fullscreen window. :p If you hide the status bar it's honestly *just* the window. And a border, telling you whether it is focused or not (assuming a non-zero borderpx).

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2011-12-23 Thread Jakub Lach
Dnia 22 grudnia 2011 16:53 Manolo Martínez man...@austrohungaro.com napisał(a): The claim is that when this people finish rewriting dwm then go write their e-mails in Gnome 3? -- That's certainly possible, given compulsive behaviour of tweaking tweaks. They work day to day in Gnome, then

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2011-12-23 Thread hiro
I kill dwm when I've placed all my windows correctly so I can save more RAM. Everyone who wants more functionality than just placing his windows in a perfect way once and for all is stupid. On 23.12.2011, Jakub Lach jakub_l...@mailplus.pl wrote: Dnia 22 grudnia 2011 16:53 Manolo Martínez

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2011-12-23 Thread Jakub Lach
Dnia 23 grudnia 2011 11:34 hiro 23h...@googlemail.com napisał(a): I kill dwm when I've placed all my windows correctly so I can save more RAM. Everyone who wants more functionality than just placing his windows in a perfect way once and for all is stupid. Words of wisdom! For ultimate RAM

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2011-12-23 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:34:35 -, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: I kill dwm when I've placed all my windows correctly so I can save more RAM. I actually did that the other day, so I could GIMP my Christmas cards.

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2011-12-23 Thread Suraj N. Kurapati
On Fri 23 Dec 2011 10:24:54 AM PST, Jakub Lach wrote: They work day to day in Gnome, then try to emulate it's insanity in currently acceptable flavour of the month wm, then brag on their home forum with screenshots (arch forum anyone?), seeking peer approval. Touché! s/Gnome/wmii/ and

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2011-12-22 Thread dtk
On 11/15/2011 06:59 AM, Suraj N. Kurapati wrote: On Thu 10 Nov 2011 09:29:53 PM PST, Anselm R Garbe wrote: wmii is cursed. Its code base has grown by factor 3 or 4 in terms of SLOC, whereas its functionality has stalled. Thanks Anselm. I think I've held on to the past for too long, and

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2011-12-22 Thread Connor Lane Smith
Hey, On 22 December 2011 15:35, dtk d...@gmx.de wrote: I tag clients according to the topic they deal with (yess, I have *several* Firefox windows open on different tags at any given point in time -.-), which is why static tagging with a predefined number of tags works really really bad for

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2011-12-22 Thread dtk
Hey, thx for your quick response! On 12/22/2011 03:49 PM, Connor Lane Smith wrote: On 22 December 2011 15:35, dtk d...@gmx.de wrote: I tag clients according to the topic they deal with (yess, I have *several* Firefox windows open on different tags at any given point in time -.-), which is

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2011-12-22 Thread hiro
lol, people on suckless don't actually use their window managers, they brag about it and rewrite it and rewrite it and rewrite it. It's more of a hobby than a necessity for them.

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2011-12-22 Thread Manolo Martínez
On 12/22/11 at 04:47pm, hiro wrote: lol, people on suckless don't actually use their window managers, they brag about it and rewrite it and rewrite it and rewrite it. It's more of a hobby than a necessity for them. The claim is that when this people finish rewriting dwm then go write their

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2011-12-22 Thread Stephen Paul Weber
Somebody claiming to be dtk wrote: This is why dwm has tags: just don't view the tags you aren't using. Like you say, tag clients according to their role, and then by definition those which are not being used needn't be seen. However, you may be interested in flextile [1]. wouldn't be used to

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2011-12-22 Thread Connor Lane Smith
On 22 December 2011 16:36, dtk d...@gmx.de wrote: nope, 32 is aplenty. Thing is, in wmii I create them on demand and name them dynamically (to reflect their purpose), which conveniently groups them as well. I just don't want the tag I do development of project A on to be on tag 5. Today. And

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2011-12-22 Thread Suraj N. Kurapati
On Thu 22 Dec 2011 04:36:55 PM PST, dtk wrote: I just cannot see how to do the stuff I feel I need with static layouts. And since I don't believe that manual layouts are what bloat wmii, I fail to understand why I cannot haz them :/ Worse, I fail to see why I'm the only one who wants them

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2011-12-22 Thread Suraj N. Kurapati
On Thu 22 Dec 2011 04:57:24 PM PST, Connor Lane Smith wrote: In dwm you can view multiple tags at the same time, which pulls all clients with that tag into view. (Which is really amazing once you get used to it. Other window managers just make me feel really constrained.) Now that you mention

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2011-12-22 Thread Connor Lane Smith
On 22 December 2011 18:02, Suraj N. Kurapati sun...@gmail.com wrote: In contrast, WMII has fine-grained multi-tagging (a client can appear on multiple views) so I would either (1) choose a client from dmenu to pull into my current view or (2) go to the tag I want and multi-tag the clients that

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2011-12-22 Thread Suraj N. Kurapati
On Thu 22 Dec 2011 06:07:05 PM PST, Connor Lane Smith wrote: On 22 December 2011 18:02, Suraj N. Kurapati wrote: Multi-tagging is cool and useful, but too coarse grained in DWM. I don't understand what you mean. In dwm a single client can have multiple tags, and one can also view multiple

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2011-12-22 Thread Jacob Todd
On Dec 22, 2011 12:03 PM, Suraj N. Kurapati sun...@gmail.com wrote: Now that you mention it, I rarely use this feature because it's too coarse grained. For instance, I have tags pre-allocated for particular tasks so viewing more than one of them simultaneously pulls in too many unrelated

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2011-12-22 Thread Suraj N. Kurapati
On Thu 22 Dec 2011 02:05:36 PM PST, Jacob Todd wrote: On Dec 22, 2011 12:03 PM, Suraj N. Kurapati sun...@gmail.com wrote: Now that you mention it, I rarely use this feature because it's too coarse grained. For instance, I have tags pre-allocated for particular tasks so viewing more than

Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2011-11-14 Thread Suraj N. Kurapati
On Thu 10 Nov 2011 09:29:53 PM PST, Anselm R Garbe wrote: wmii is cursed. Its code base has grown by factor 3 or 4 in terms of SLOC, whereas its functionality has stalled. Thanks Anselm. I think I've held on to the past for too long, and avoided DWM mainly out of disinterest in C. However,