Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2019-02-22 Thread Daniel Veditz
I support this recharter (disclaimer: I'm a co-chair so of course I do). -Dan Veditz On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 5:29 PM L. David Baron wrote: > The W3C is proposing a revised charter for: > > Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group >

Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2019-02-22 Thread L. David Baron
The W3C is proposing a revised charter for: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group https://www.w3.org/2019/02/webappsec-2019-proposed-charter.html https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-new-work/2019Feb/0010.html Mozilla has the opportunity to send comments or objections

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-02-11 Thread Brian Smith
Daniel Veditz dved...@mozilla.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:32 PM, L. David Baron dba...@dbaron.org wrote: (1) The Confinement with Origin Web Labels deliverable is described in a way that makes it unclear what the deliverable would do. It should be clearer. Furthermore, the

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-02-11 Thread Daniel Veditz
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 2:02 AM, Mike West mk...@google.com wrote: https://mikewest.github.io/internetdrafts/origin-cookies/draft-west-origin-cookies-00.html https://mikewest.github.io/internetdrafts/first-party-cookies/draft-west-first-party-cookies-00.html Not many people are interested

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-02-11 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: Has the group looked at expanding the feature set of cookies to allow better CSRF protection? Mike has: https://mikewest.github.io/internetdrafts/origin-cookies/draft-west-origin-cookies-00.html

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-02-11 Thread Mike West
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: Has the group looked at expanding the feature set of cookies to allow better CSRF protection? This doesn't seem like a good fit for WebAppSec.

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-02-11 Thread Daniel Veditz
A new version of the charter has been uploaded that hopefully addresses these objections On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:32 PM, L. David Baron dba...@dbaron.org wrote: (1) The Confinement with Origin Web Labels deliverable is described in a way that makes it unclear what the deliverable would

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-02-11 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 12:47 AM, Daniel Veditz dved...@mozilla.com wrote: (2) The Entry Point Regulation for Web Applications deliverable seems to have serious risks of breaking the ability to link. It's not clear that the security benefits of this specification outweigh the

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-02-11 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 1:52 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: Has the group looked at expanding the feature set of cookies to allow better CSRF protection? Mike has:

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-01-31 Thread Martin Thomson
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Brian Smith br...@briansmith.org wrote: Anyway, my point isn't to suggest that Mozilla should ask for this item to be removed from the charter. Rather, my point is that this item has some pretty big, non-obvious ramifications (not just related to tracking)

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-01-31 Thread Eric Rescorla
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 3:15 PM, L. David Baron dba...@dbaron.org wrote: On Friday 2015-01-30 11:14 +0100, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 7:32 AM, L. David Baron dba...@dbaron.org wrote: I'm particularly interested in review of point (3) in what I've written; I feel

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-01-30 Thread Daniel Veditz
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:32 PM, L. David Baron dba...@dbaron.org wrote: There are a number of problematic aspects to this charter to which we object: (1) The Confinement with Origin Web Labels deliverable is described in a way that makes it unclear what the deliverable would do. It

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-01-30 Thread L. David Baron
On Friday 2015-01-30 08:54 -0800, Daniel Veditz wrote: On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:32 PM, L. David Baron dba...@dbaron.org wrote: There are a number of problematic aspects to this charter to which we object: (1) The Confinement with Origin Web Labels deliverable is described in a

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-01-30 Thread Eric Rescorla
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 2:14 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: Thanks David! On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 7:32 AM, L. David Baron dba...@dbaron.org wrote: I'm particularly interested in review of point (3) in what I've written; I feel that the argument I've written so far is weak, I

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-01-30 Thread L. David Baron
Here's a revised set of comments, mainly changing: - describes the objection to powerfulfeatures (part of objection (3)) more clearly, but also, I think, scopes the objection a bit more narrowly - makes objection (2) more explicit about being satisfied by an option not to complete the

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-01-30 Thread Eric Rescorla
This seems satisfactory to me. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:32 PM, L. David Baron dba...@dbaron.org wrote: Here are the comments I have so far on this charter, based on the thread. I'd note that this is a relatively large set of demands to make in the charter review stage at the AC, especially

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-01-30 Thread L. David Baron
On Friday 2015-01-30 10:18 -0800, Eric Rescorla wrote: I think there's some competence there, certainly, but I'm not convinced it represents a balanced set of the views on this topic. If there is to be oversight, it should probably be at that TAG level, IMHO. For many topics, oversight from

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-01-30 Thread Martin Thomson
Please note the need to liaise with the groups that are affected by the permissions work. Otherwise, this is good. On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 3:20 PM, L. David Baron dba...@dbaron.org wrote: Here's a revised set of comments, mainly changing: - describes the objection to powerfulfeatures (part

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-01-30 Thread Brian Smith
L. David Baron dba...@dbaron.org wrote: Is the argument you're making that if the site can serve the ads from the same hostname rather than having to use a different hostname to get same-origin protection, then ad-blocking (or tracking-blocking) tools will no longer be able to block the ads?

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-01-30 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 12:15 AM, L. David Baron dba...@dbaron.org wrote: My understanding is that the objections to powerfulfeatures are over the possibility of powerfulfeatures defining what is and isn't a powerful feature, because that should be decided primarily by the group developing the

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-01-30 Thread Eric Rescorla
This seems good to me. On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 3:20 PM, L. David Baron dba...@dbaron.org wrote: Here's a revised set of comments, mainly changing: - describes the objection to powerfulfeatures (part of objection (3)) more clearly, but also, I think, scopes the objection a bit more

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-01-30 Thread Anne van Kesteren
Thanks David! On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 7:32 AM, L. David Baron dba...@dbaron.org wrote: I'm particularly interested in review of point (3) in what I've written; I feel that the argument I've written so far is weak, I think because I don't particularly understand the concerns about the

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-01-30 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:27 PM, Eric Rescorla e...@rtfm.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 12:56 PM, L. David Baron dba...@dbaron.org wrote: On Friday 2015-01-16 09:58 +0100, Anne van Kesteren wrote: Also, can we request that they adopt a public asynchronous decision policy? I think we

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-01-29 Thread Eric Rescorla
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 12:56 PM, L. David Baron dba...@dbaron.org wrote: On Friday 2015-01-16 09:58 +0100, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:53 AM, L. David Baron dba...@dbaron.org wrote: Please reply to this thread if you think there's something else we should say,

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-01-29 Thread L. David Baron
On Friday 2015-01-16 09:58 +0100, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:53 AM, L. David Baron dba...@dbaron.org wrote: Please reply to this thread if you think there's something else we should say, or if you think we should support the charter. I think in general it's fine,

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-01-29 Thread L. David Baron
On Thursday 2015-01-29 13:27 -0800, Eric Rescorla wrote: On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 12:56 PM, L. David Baron dba...@dbaron.org wrote: On Friday 2015-01-16 09:58 +0100, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:53 AM, L. David Baron dba...@dbaron.org wrote: Please reply to this

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-01-29 Thread Martin Thomson
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 1:59 PM, L. David Baron dba...@dbaron.org wrote: Is this arguably a violation of the priority of constituencies principle? It seems like it may serve the site more than the user. Do you want to insist that it be removed from the charter, or is this something you

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-01-29 Thread L. David Baron
Here are the comments I have so far on this charter, based on the thread. I'd note that this is a relatively large set of demands to make in the charter review stage at the AC, especially for a recharter of a WG that we're involved in. So it may come across to W3C staff as somewhat demanding.

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-01-29 Thread L. David Baron
On Sunday 2015-01-18 21:00 -0800, Brian Smith wrote: L. David Baron dba...@dbaron.org wrote: http://www.w3.org/2014/12/webappsec-charter-2015.html Please see the threads at [1] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webappsec/2014Nov/0179.html [2]

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-01-18 Thread Brian Smith
L. David Baron dba...@dbaron.org wrote: The W3C is proposing a revised charter for: Web Application Security Working Group http://www.w3.org/2014/12/webappsec-charter-2015.html https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-new-work/2014Dec/0008.html Mozilla has the opportunity to send

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-01-18 Thread David Illsley
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015, at 08:58 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:53 AM, L. David Baron dba...@dbaron.org wrote: Please reply to this thread if you think there's something else we should say, or if you think we should support the charter. I think in general it's

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-01-16 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:53 AM, L. David Baron dba...@dbaron.org wrote: Please reply to this thread if you think there's something else we should say, or if you think we should support the charter. I think in general it's fine, but there's a couple things: * Confinement with Origin Web

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-01-16 Thread Martin Thomson
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:58 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: * Permissions API this has been tried several times before. Given that there's hardly any involvement from UX in standards, it's not clear that this is a good idea. See also

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-01-16 Thread Eric Rescorla
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Martin Thomson m...@mozilla.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:58 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: * Permissions API this has been tried several times before. Given that there's hardly any involvement from UX in standards, it's not clear

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-01-16 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:58 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: * Permissions API this has been tried several times before. Given that there's hardly any involvement from UX in standards, it's not clear that this is a good idea. See also

Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-01-15 Thread L. David Baron
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Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security (WebAppSec) Working Group

2015-01-15 Thread L. David Baron
The W3C is proposing a revised charter for: Web Application Security Working Group http://www.w3.org/2014/12/webappsec-charter-2015.html https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-new-work/2014Dec/0008.html Mozilla has the opportunity to send comments, objections, or support through