Re: Intent to ship: Hyperlink Auditing (a ping)

2014-05-16 Thread Jonathan Kew
On 16/5/14 10:29, Tim Taubert wrote: *Link to Standard* http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#hyperlink-auditing A couple of quotes from there: User agents should allow the user to adjust this behavior, for example in conjunction with a setting that disables the sending of HTTP

Re: Intent to ship: Hyperlink Auditing (a ping)

2014-05-16 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Jonathan Kew jfkth...@gmail.com wrote: When I click a Google search result (for example), I can see -- thanks to the status overlay that shows the URLs being requested -- that it's redirecting me via a Google URL that is presumably being used to track me. So

Re: Intent to ship: Hyperlink Auditing (a ping)

2014-05-16 Thread Tim Taubert
Jonathan Kew wrote: When I click a Google search result (for example), I can see -- thanks to the status overlay that shows the URLs being requested -- that it's redirecting me via a Google URL that is presumably being used to track me. So although this is hardly an optimal UI, at least I get

HTTP cache v2 now enabled for real on mozilla-inbound

2014-05-16 Thread Honza Bambas
Hi all, yesterday we have landed a patch that switches the pref to use the new HTTP cache (bug 913806). It is enabled for all infra tests, talos and Nightly users. In case of any catastrophic problems it's easy to switch back (nothing more then flipping the pref back). So far we know

Re: Intent to ship: Hyperlink Auditing (a ping)

2014-05-16 Thread Jonathan Kew
On 16/5/14 13:02, L. David Baron wrote: On Friday 2014-05-16 12:49 +0100, Jonathan Kew wrote: When I click a Google search result (for example), I can see -- thanks to the status overlay that shows the URLs being requested -- that it's redirecting me via a Google URL that is presumably being

Re: Intent to ship: Hyperlink Auditing (a ping)

2014-05-16 Thread L. David Baron
On Friday 2014-05-16 13:35 +0100, Jonathan Kew wrote: Maybe that's OK, but I do think this changes things in a significant way, and we should give some priority to addressing the concerns. Maybe the send-ping preference should be exposed at a similar level to Do Not Track? There's a tradeoff

Re: Intent to ship: Hyperlink Auditing (a ping)

2014-05-16 Thread Tim Taubert
L. David Baron wrote: We need to be careful to design the preferences we expose to the user in ways that make sense even if sites don't want to honor those preferences. It's not clear to me that it makes sense to have a preference to disable one particular tracking feature when sites can do

Re: Intent to ship: Hyperlink Auditing (a ping)

2014-05-16 Thread Kyle Huey
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Curtis Koenig curt...@mozilla.com wrote: On 16 May, 2014, at 09:11 AM, Tim Taubert ttaub...@mozilla.com wrote: I think it really might make sense to remove the preferences altogether Given our stance on privacy[1] and commitment to Real Choices, Sensible

Re: Intent to ship: Hyperlink Auditing (a ping)

2014-05-16 Thread Tim Taubert
Curtis Koenig wrote: Given our stance on privacy[1] and commitment to Real Choices, Sensible Settings and User Control; I don’t believe removing the users ability to control this preference would be a positive move. David’s point is more correct in that we need to be careful as to how the

Re: Intent to ship: Hyperlink Auditing (a ping)

2014-05-16 Thread Curtis Koenig
Would this be disabled in Private Browsing? If not that might be perceived as negating one of the reasons users have for using that particular feature. On 16 May, 2014, at 05:29 AM, Tim Taubert ttaub...@mozilla.com wrote: *Link to Standard*

Re: Intent to ship: Hyperlink Auditing (a ping)

2014-05-16 Thread Tim Taubert
Curtis Koenig wrote: Would this be disabled in Private Browsing? If not that might be perceived as negating one of the reasons users have for using that particular feature. Are sync XHRs and HTTP redirects disabled in private browsing? :) - Tim ___

Re: Intent to ship: Hyperlink Auditing (a ping)

2014-05-16 Thread Curtis Koenig
On 16 May, 2014, at 09:37 AM, Kyle Huey m...@kylehuey.com wrote: The point being made is that the preference is not a real choice. If you disable this feature you can still be tracked in the exact same way by methods that exist today and are not covered by the preference. True, but those

Re: Intent to ship: Hyperlink Auditing (a ping)

2014-05-16 Thread Curtis Koenig
Assuming I am understanding this correctly, it appears from this doc https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Supporting_per-window_private_browsing that they maybe disabled in some instances of private browsing given changes in Fx 20. Forcing a channel into private mode Usually, network

Re: Intent to ship: Hyperlink Auditing (a ping)

2014-05-16 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Curtis Koenig curt...@mozilla.com wrote: On 16 May, 2014, at 09:37 AM, Kyle Huey m...@kylehuey.com wrote: The point being made is that the preference is not a real choice. If you disable this feature you can still be tracked in the exact same way by methods

Re: Intent to ship: Hyperlink Auditing (a ping)

2014-05-16 Thread Tim Taubert
Curtis Koenig wrote: Assuming I am understanding this correctly, it appears from this doc https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Supporting_per-window_private_browsing that they maybe disabled in some instances of private browsing given changes in Fx 20. The only thing I can see here is

Re: Intent to ship: Hyperlink Auditing (a ping)

2014-05-16 Thread Jonathan Kew
On 16/5/14 14:37, Kyle Huey wrote: On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Curtis Koenig curt...@mozilla.com wrote: On 16 May, 2014, at 09:11 AM, Tim Taubert ttaub...@mozilla.com wrote: I think it really might make sense to remove the preferences altogether Given our stance on privacy[1] and

Re: Intent to ship: Hyperlink Auditing (a ping)

2014-05-16 Thread Tim Taubert
Jonathan Kew wrote: On 16/5/14 14:37, Kyle Huey wrote: On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Curtis Koenig curt...@mozilla.com The point being made is that the preference is not a real choice. If you disable this feature you can still be tracked in the exact same way by methods that exist today

Re: Intent to ship: Hyperlink Auditing (a ping)

2014-05-16 Thread Justin Dolske
On 5/16/14, 6:38 AM, Curtis Koenig wrote: Would this be disabled in Private Browsing? If not that might be perceived as negating one of the reasons users have for using that particular feature. Private Browsing mode is about not storing _local_ data from your activities. It is explicitly not

Re: Intent to implement and ship: navigator.hardwareConcurrency

2014-05-16 Thread lrbabe
Do you think it would be feasible that the browser fires events every time the number of cores available for a job changes? That might allow to build an efficient event-based worker pool. In the meantime, there are developers out there who are downloading micro-benchmarks on every client to

Re: Intent to implement and ship: navigator.hardwareConcurrency

2014-05-16 Thread lrbabe
Here's the naive worker pool implementation I was thinking about. It requires that the browser fires an event everytime a core becomes available (only in an active tab of course), and provide a property that tells whether or not a core is available at a given time: // a handler that runs when

Re: Intent to implement and ship: navigator.hardwareConcurrency

2014-05-16 Thread Rik Cabanier
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 11:03 AM, lrb...@gmail.com wrote: Do you think it would be feasible that the browser fires events every time the number of cores available for a job changes? That might allow to build an efficient event-based worker pool. I think this will be very noisy and might

Re: Intent to implement and ship: navigator.hardwareConcurrency

2014-05-16 Thread lrbabe
Do you think it would be feasible that the browser fires events every time the number of cores available for a job changes? That might allow to build an efficient event-based worker pool. I think this will be very noisy and might cause a lot of confusion. Also I'm unsure how we could

Re: Intent to ship: Hyperlink Auditing (a ping)

2014-05-16 Thread L. David Baron
On Friday 2014-05-16 08:58 -0400, Wesley Hardman wrote: Can you detect if a ping is enabled? If so, having a preference isn't going to be particularly useful as sites will just fallback to the redirect method. If it is added as a UI preference, it needs to be silent, or else the

Re: Intent to ship: Hyperlink Auditing (a ping)

2014-05-16 Thread L. David Baron
On Friday 2014-05-16 09:40 -0400, Curtis Koenig wrote: On 16 May, 2014, at 09:37 AM, Kyle Huey m...@kylehuey.com wrote: The point being made is that the preference is not a real choice. If you disable this feature you can still be tracked in the exact same way by methods that exist today

Re: Intent to ship: Hyperlink Auditing (a ping)

2014-05-16 Thread Robert O'Callahan
Seems to me we should indicate pings in the link status text (bug 401352), indicate pinging in the status text while we load the next page, and retain the about:config pref to disable pinging. The first two measures seem low-cost and constitute a strict improvement on the current privacy