Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: HTML5

2014-09-22 Thread Ms2ger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi David, On 09/20/2014 02:23 AM, L. David Baron wrote: W3C recently published the following proposed recommendation (the stage before W3C's final stage, Recommendation): http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/ HTML5 There's a call for review to W3C

Re: Support for 32bit on OS X and testing infrastructure

2014-09-22 Thread Henrik Skupin
Robert Strong wrote on 09/19/2014 06:59 PM: Regarding dropping support, Silverlight on Mac does not support 64 bit and we run it using 32 bit. So at the very least we will need html5 for sites like Netflix before we can drop 32 bit support on OS X. I see. So I will investigate what's necessary

RE: Support for 32bit on OS X and testing infrastructure

2014-09-22 Thread Robert Strong
-Original Message- From: dev-platform [mailto:dev-platform- bounces+rstrong=mozilla@lists.mozilla.org] On Behalf Of Henrik Skupin Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 12:24 AM To: dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: Support for 32bit on OS X and testing infrastructure

RE: Upcoming changes to Mac package layout, signing

2014-09-22 Thread Robert Strong
Quick status update on the progress for Mac v2 signing. All of the major changes for Mac v2 signing have landed on the Oak branch. This will allow us to test installing and updating before landing on mozilla-central. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1046906

Re: PSA: RIP MOZ_ASSUME_UNREACHABLE

2014-09-22 Thread Benoit Jacob
Great work Chris! Thanks for linking to the study; the link gives me error 400, github links are tricky: 2014-09-22 4:06 GMT-04:00 Chris Peterson cpeter...@mozilla.com: [1] https://raw.githubusercontent.com/bjacob/builtin-unreachable-study Repo link:

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: HTML5

2014-09-22 Thread Robin Berjon
Hi David, On 20/09/2014 02:23 , L. David Baron wrote: One of the open issues being raised in this review is the status of the spec's normative reference to the URL specification. The specification currently references http://www.w3.org/TR/url/ ; it might be possible for us to suggest that it

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: HTML5

2014-09-22 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 4:00 PM, James Graham ja...@hoppipolla.co.uk wrote: On 20/09/14 03:46, Boris Zbarsky wrote: On 9/19/14, 8:23 PM, L. David Baron wrote: W3C recently published the following proposed recommendation (the stage before W3C's final stage, Recommendation): The biggest issue

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: HTML5

2014-09-22 Thread Robin Berjon
On 20/09/2014 11:20 , Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Karl Dubost kdub...@mozilla.com wrote: My biggest issue with HTML5 spec is that it is too big to be meaningfully implementable and/or testable. Yeah the W3C crowd keeps saying that, yet hasn't invested any

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: HTML5

2014-09-22 Thread Robin Berjon
Hi Kyle, On 20/09/2014 17:26 , Kyle Huey wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 2:41 AM, Karl Dubost kdub...@mozilla.com wrote: Le 20 sept. 2014 à 18:20, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl a écrit : Yeah the W3C crowd keeps saying that Here the W3C crowd. We (Mozilla) have a conflict ;)

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: HTML5

2014-09-22 Thread Robin Berjon
Hi James, On 21/09/2014 15:00 , James Graham wrote: Obviously I agree that good testing of implementations is key to interoperability. I also agree that we should encourage vendors to create and run shared tests for the web technologies that we implement. I am substantially less convinced that

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: HTML5

2014-09-22 Thread Robin Berjon
On 21/09/2014 00:29 , Karl Dubost wrote: Le 21 sept. 2014 à 03:23, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu a écrit : The important part to me about implementations is that implementations shouldn't follow the known-bogus parts of the HTML5 REC once said bogosity if fixed in the WHATWG spec and HTML5.1

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: HTML5

2014-09-22 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Robin Berjon ro...@w3.org wrote: I was hoping that we could simply reference WHATWG URL as a (small) token of good faith and normalisation, adding a small cobblestone to pave the way to cooperation. If that was the goal, changing the Goals section of the spec

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: HTML5

2014-09-22 Thread Robin Berjon
On 22/09/2014 14:40 , Henri Sivonen wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Robin Berjon ro...@w3.org wrote: I was hoping that we could simply reference WHATWG URL as a (small) token of good faith and normalisation, adding a small cobblestone to pave the way to cooperation. If that was the

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: HTML5

2014-09-22 Thread James Graham
On 22/09/14 13:16, Robin Berjon wrote: I can't say it has brought about a revolution yet, but it has certainly helped change minds. It's hard to argue against a continuously updated test suite. It's hard to imagine that such an animal wouldn't find spec bugs in addition to implementation

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: HTML5

2014-09-22 Thread James Graham
On 21/09/14 22:19, Boris Zbarsky wrote: On 9/21/14, 9:00 AM, James Graham wrote: More interestingly, either the specification is implementable or not. Again, because once the REC is published everyone goes home and never touches that document again. The two implementations condition was

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: HTML5

2014-09-22 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 9/22/14, 1:18 PM, James Graham wrote: I think you'd get a better result by asking for agreement from all the relevant implementors that they felt that the spec was implementable. The problem was that in some cases this was more a less a non-goal (in some cases an anti-goal) for the spec

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: HTML5

2014-09-22 Thread Tantek Çelik
Specifically on the subject of what URL spec to reference, I think it should be Mozilla's position (which I'm willing to represent) that the W3C HTML5 spec reference the dated URL spec[1] instead of the copy/paste/modified(even if informatively) W3C WebApps URL spec. [1]