Re: All about crashes

2016-05-26 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
About: > Additionally it would be great to see information on handling OOMs (large > and small) as those are our top crashers, and if anything I think project > uptime should be focusing on mitigating them. Fixing null derefs for a few > hundred users is nice, but fixing OOMs for tens of

Re: All about crashes

2016-05-25 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Am Dienstag, 24. Mai 2016 06:56:54 UTC+2 schrieb Nicholas Nethercote: > Greetings, > > I've written a document called "All about crashes" which I've put on > the Project Uptime wiki: > > https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/Uptime#All_about_crashes > > It's about all the different ways we can

Re: Requiring SSE2 on all 32-bit x86 OSs (was: Re: Reverting to VS2013 on central and aurora)

2016-05-23 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
"[...] The earlier 'SIMD' instruction sets on the x86 platform, from oldest to newest, are 'MMX', '3DNow!' (developed by AMD), 'SSE' and 'SSE2'. [...]" Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSE3 (At the top.) Is support for 'MMX' & '3DNow!' already dropped? -BesTo

Re: What is "Process Type = content" in "mozilla crash reports"?

2016-05-20 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Am Freitag, 20. Mai 2016 11:08:16 UTC+2 schrieb Dirkjan Ochtman: > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:28 PM, Tobias B. Besemer wrote: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streaming_SIMD_Extensions > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSE2 > > Hi Tobias, > > I applaud your enthusia

Re: Updating 32-bit Windows users to 64-bit Windows builds?

2016-05-20 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Am Freitag, 20. Mai 2016 01:48:24 UTC+2 schrieb Robert Strong: > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Tobias B. Besemer wrote: > > > Am Freitag, 13. Mai 2016 22:41:01 UTC+2 schrieb Benjamin Smedberg: > > > We have considered this, but in the grand rollout plans for 64-bit >

Re: Updating 32-bit Windows users to 64-bit Windows builds?

2016-05-19 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Am Freitag, 13. Mai 2016 22:41:01 UTC+2 schrieb Benjamin Smedberg: > We have considered this, but in the grand rollout plans for 64-bit Firefox > it's low on the list. We're still dealing with Flash sandboxing/functional > regressions as a blocker for wider rollout, and the next step is probably >

Re: Updating 32-bit Windows users to 64-bit Windows builds?

2016-05-19 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Am Freitag, 13. Mai 2016 14:35:52 UTC+2 schrieb Ben Hearsum: > On 2016-05-12 06:44 PM, khagar...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 11:47:15 PM UTC+2, Karl Tomlinson wrote: > >> Lawrence Mandel writes: > >> > >>> Do we need this criteria? > >>> > >>> RAM - Does it hurt to move an

Re: Updating 32-bit Windows users to 64-bit Windows builds?

2016-05-19 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Am Freitag, 13. Mai 2016 10:34:59 UTC+2 schrieb bo...@mozilla.com: > On Thursday, 12 May 2016 21:36:53 UTC+1, Chris Peterson wrote: > > Yes. Flash and Silverlight both have 64-bit plugins that work in 64-bit > > Firefox. Streaming video services will likely move their Firefox users > > from

Re: Updating 32-bit Windows users to 64-bit Windows builds?

2016-05-19 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Am Donnerstag, 12. Mai 2016 18:56:19 UTC+2 schrieb Ben Hearsum: > Do you have thoughts on how we'll be able to serve the users the correct > build if we have to base the decision on plugins they may have or other > information that's not in the update ping? We can already detect 32-bit > builds

Re: Updating 32-bit Windows users to 64-bit Windows builds?

2016-05-19 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Am Donnerstag, 12. Mai 2016 18:22:53 UTC+2 schrieb David Baron: > On Thursday 2016-05-12 11:45 -0400, Ted Mielczarek wrote: > > requirement for x86-64 processors, and the overall performance should > > generally be better (modulo memory usage, I'm not sure if we have an > > exact comparison).

Re: What is "Process Type = content" in "mozilla crash reports"?

2016-05-19 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Am Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2016 23:03:16 UTC+2 schrieb Tobias B. Besemer: > Am Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2016 22:59:35 UTC+2 schrieb Tobias B. Besemer: > > Am Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2016 22:00:55 UTC+2 schrieb Nathan Froyd: > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Tobias B. Besemer wrote

Re: What is "Process Type = content" in "mozilla crash reports"?

2016-05-19 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Am Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2016 23:25:15 UTC+2 schrieb Tobias B. Besemer: > Am Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2016 23:03:16 UTC+2 schrieb Tobias B. Besemer: > > Am Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2016 22:59:35 UTC+2 schrieb Tobias B. Besemer: > > > Am Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2016 22:00:55 UTC+2 sc

Re: What is "Process Type = content" in "mozilla crash reports"?

2016-05-19 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Am Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2016 22:59:35 UTC+2 schrieb Tobias B. Besemer: > Am Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2016 22:00:55 UTC+2 schrieb Nathan Froyd: > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Tobias B. Besemer wrote: > > > Question is: > > > If Mozilla will really "Backout MSVC 20

Re: What is "Process Type = content" in "mozilla crash reports"?

2016-05-19 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Am Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2016 22:00:55 UTC+2 schrieb Nathan Froyd: > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Tobias B. Besemer wrote: > > Question is: > > If Mozilla will really "Backout MSVC 2015 from aurora" because 2 people are > > not able to configure there

Re: What is "Process Type = content" in "mozilla crash reports"?

2016-05-19 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Example for "GenuineIntel Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 13": http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/125284 (Intel Core 2 Duo T5800 @ 2.00 GHz) ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform

Re: What is "Process Type = content" in "mozilla crash reports"?

2016-05-19 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Am Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2016 20:49:08 UTC+2 schrieb Tobias B. Besemer: > Am Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2016 19:58:50 UTC+2 schrieb Tobias B. Besemer: > > Am Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2016 19:53:40 UTC+2 schrieb Tobias B. Besemer: > > > Am Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2016 17:46:58 UTC+2 schri

Re: What is "Process Type = content" in "mozilla crash reports"?

2016-05-19 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Am Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2016 19:58:50 UTC+2 schrieb Tobias B. Besemer: > Am Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2016 19:53:40 UTC+2 schrieb Tobias B. Besemer: > > Am Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2016 17:46:58 UTC+2 schrieb Gijs Kruitbosch: > > > On 19/05/2016 16:35, Tobias B. Besemer wrote: > >

Re: What is "Process Type = content" in "mozilla crash reports"?

2016-05-19 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Am Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2016 19:53:40 UTC+2 schrieb Tobias B. Besemer: > Am Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2016 17:46:58 UTC+2 schrieb Gijs Kruitbosch: > > On 19/05/2016 16:35, Tobias B. Besemer wrote: > > > Due to the upcoming requirement of SSE2 to run Firefox that is discussed >

Re: What is "Process Type = content" in "mozilla crash reports"?

2016-05-19 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Am Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2016 17:46:58 UTC+2 schrieb Gijs Kruitbosch: > On 19/05/2016 16:35, Tobias B. Besemer wrote: > > Due to the upcoming requirement of SSE2 to run Firefox that is discussed > > here: > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform/v0QAe2o

Suggestion: Class or API to check pre-requirements of Firefox

2016-05-19 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
As I'm lazy, plz read here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1271762 ;-) (It's really not much to read in the bug!) ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform

What is "Process Type = content" in "mozilla crash reports"?

2016-05-19 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Due to the upcoming requirement of SSE2 to run Firefox that is discussed here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform/v0QAe2olnH0 ...I had a look on... Bug 1271755 - [meta] Require SSE2 to run Firefox https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1271755 ...then on... Bug

Re: Requiring SSE2 on all 32-bit x86 OSs (was: Re: Reverting to VS2013 on central and aurora)

2016-05-18 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Am Mittwoch, 18. Mai 2016 20:28:01 UTC+2 schrieb Tobias B. Besemer: > > If we're going to accidentally keep introducing bugs where non-SSE2 CPUs > > crash, it would be far better to add a runtime check at the beginning of > > main() and error out, than to have a steady trickle of

Re: Requiring SSE2 on all 32-bit x86 OSs (was: Re: Reverting to VS2013 on central and aurora)

2016-05-18 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
> If we're going to accidentally keep introducing bugs where non-SSE2 CPUs > crash, it would be far better to add a runtime check at the beginning of > main() and error out, than to have a steady trickle of bug reports about > crashes on illegal instructions which end up being marked INVALID.

Re: Requiring SSE2 on all 32-bit x86 OSs (was: Re: Reverting to VS2013 on central and aurora)

2016-05-18 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Am Mittwoch, 18. Mai 2016 16:52:25 UTC+2 schrieb Boris Zbarsky: > On 5/18/16 7:38 AM, Tobias B. Besemer wrote: > > Is this really a discussion if Firefox should support CPUs older then 13-15 > > years ??? > > More or less, yes. > > > I can't imagine any sce

Re: Requiring SSE2 on all 32-bit x86 OSs (was: Re: Reverting to VS2013 on central and aurora)

2016-05-18 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Am Mittwoch, 18. Mai 2016 13:56:14 UTC+2 schrieb Tobias B. Besemer: > Am Mittwoch, 18. Mai 2016 13:38:58 UTC+2 schrieb Tobias B. Besemer: > > N00b question: > > Is this really a discussion if Firefox should support CPUs older then 13-15 > > years ??? > > > > h

Re: Requiring SSE2 on all 32-bit x86 OSs (was: Re: Reverting to VS2013 on central and aurora)

2016-05-18 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Am Mittwoch, 18. Mai 2016 13:38:58 UTC+2 schrieb Tobias B. Besemer: > N00b question: > Is this really a discussion if Firefox should support CPUs older then 13-15 > years ??? > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSE2 > > I can't imagine any scenario were a user needs to run a

Re: Requiring SSE2 on all 32-bit x86 OSs (was: Re: Reverting to VS2013 on central and aurora)

2016-05-18 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
N00b question: Is this really a discussion if Firefox should support CPUs older then 13-15 years ??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSE2 I can't imagine any scenario were a user needs to run a Pentium III with GUI and a browser on it... ...would mean that the system not only runs not e.g. as a

Suggestion: Create at least a FB Group for Beta Testers

2016-05-18 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Hi all! Have this in mind for a long time... ...and mentioned it already somehow... I think it would bring good success/feedback if Mozilla creates at least a FB Group for Beta Testers. Younger people use nowadays a lot Facebook to connect and communicate... There are thousands of new geeks

Re: Ignoring viewpoints of non-Mozilla-employees can't be the way to go for a OSS project!

2016-05-09 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
K, I wait till Mozilla hit the bottom because marking my opinions to problems as "Offtopic" and removing my rights because I get p*ssed that my thinking about it is "off topic" is getting to much for me! But I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't take anymore long till Mozilla is on the ground...

Re: Ignoring viewpoints of non-Mozilla-employees can't be the way to go for a OSS project!

2016-05-09 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
6 at 11:23 AM, Tobias B. Besemer < > tobias.bese...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > Ignoring viewpoints of non-Mozilla-employees can't be the way to go for a > > OSS Project! > > The same mistake made Oracle with OpenOffice! > > Now the proje

Re: Ignoring viewpoints of non-Mozilla-employees can't be the way to go for a OSS project!

2016-05-09 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Am Montag, 9. Mai 2016 20:33:11 UTC+2 schrieb Andrew McCreight: > Thank you for opening a discussion thread rather than posting more in the > bug. > > On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Tobias B. Besemer wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > Ignoring viewpoints of non-Mozilla

Re: Ignoring viewpoints of non-Mozilla-employees can't be the way to go for a OSS project!

2016-05-09 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Same belongs to bug 1219672! https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1219672 If Mozilla still don't know that I sometimes give a rant, if thing go really wrong, but on the other side my rants were the reasons in the last 2,5 years, that Firfox was getting on Windows much better again, then

Ignoring viewpoints of non-Mozilla-employees can't be the way to go for a OSS project!

2016-05-09 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Hi! Ignoring viewpoints of non-Mozilla-employees can't be the way to go for a OSS Project! The same mistake made Oracle with OpenOffice! Now the project is almost death! Think Mozilla should find his way back to his roots! Would be nice, if some people think about it!

Update of "removed-files"?

2016-03-24 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Hi! In the program folder of FF by Windows there is a file called "removed-files"... This file includes a list with files (rules) that should be removed... What's about updating this? I see a lot of (old) files and folders in the profile folders that should be IMHO removed to clean up the

How to change the default profile in the profile manager?

2016-03-24 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Hi! I resorted/renamed my profile folders... Now, when I start the Developer Edition with the profile manager, FF creates a new entry with "dev-edition-default" and the according folders in \Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ and \Local\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ (Win7). How to prevent this and

Re: A lot of problems with Firefox Sync...

2016-03-23 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Am Donnerstag, 24. März 2016 01:06:22 UTC+1 schrieb Tobias B. Besemer: > Am Freitag, 18. März 2016 14:45:45 UTC+1 schrieb Gijs Kruitbosch: > > On 18/03/2016 11:47, Tobias B. Besemer wrote: > > > If I use my main profile in Aurora, it updates FF immediately to the > > &

Re: A lot of problems with Firefox Sync...

2016-03-23 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Am Freitag, 18. März 2016 14:45:45 UTC+1 schrieb Gijs Kruitbosch: > On 18/03/2016 11:47, Tobias B. Besemer wrote: > > If I use my main profile in Aurora, it updates FF immediately to the > > Nightly Version because the update channel is saved in the profile! > > > > Is

Re: Misunderstood the Assigned at bugs! Sorry !!!

2015-04-07 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
OK, to reopen this discussion ... I suggested in Bug 1151371 to activate the status IN_PROGRESS in bmo and use this status for bugs that are in progress (patch in work) and that everybody use the status applied in future only as taken or as in the to-dos-list like the others do. My arguments

Font problem in FF34a2 with CSS and fallback

2014-10-16 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Hi, I analyzed some private pages because of a font problem with FF34a2. It was a problem with the font Verdana. Seems the font was crashed in my Win7 64bit. See:

Hanging Script / Debug Script

2014-07-13 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
I saw the new button Debug Script while I had a hanging script ... and tested it ... So here what I recognized: It is for me now not clear if the script gets stopped, or it is keeping running ... I think it keeps running, right? Also I missing a log to it in the Browser Console ... I think this

Re: Improving Session Restore Experience (was Re: Reordering opened windows)

2014-07-10 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
This would be my suggestion (if possible): 1. Read sessionstore.js; 2. Open first window, don't reload tabs, restore size on the right screen if multi-screen; 3. For each window in sessionstore.js, in the order in which the windows have been opened initially, trigger window opening; 4. After

Re: Reordering opened windows

2014-07-10 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
The update of the taskbar preview (if this is possible) should normally happen after the tabs (the first, visible one) of a window are reloaded - not all previews at the end. IMHO the SessonStore should save a Time-Stamp to each window that gets updated each time the window gets focus. This

Re: Misunderstood the Assigned at bugs! Sorry !!!

2014-07-09 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Am Mittwoch, 9. Juli 2014 03:51:32 UTC+2 schrieb Tobias B. Besemer: I tried to help and clean up a bit Bugzilla with updating the Target Milestone to a Milestone that get still developed ... I did this: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?f1=OPf0=OPclassification=Componentsemailtype1

Problems with the channels for FF TB

2014-07-09 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Hi! I was interested to test the new TB 31 Beta ... ... I'm now using 24.6.0 ... ... so I installed the extension Update Channel Selector 1.6 and switched to beta ... When I now open the About I see that I be on beta, but TB says: Thunderbird is up to date (I think there is a point at the end

Re: Firefox/Thunderbird and GRE/XRE/XULRunner

2014-07-08 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
OK, I understand. The question was not just because of FF TB to save just some bits ... ... it was also, because I think it will be in the future a good idea to let run Firefox OS Apps on other OSes like it is possible with MS Modern UI and WinRT ... also would there be a possibility for an

Re: Firefox/Thunderbird and GRE/XRE/XULRunner

2014-07-08 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
What's about the idea (for the future) that all stable versions use XULRunner and beta, alpha nightly use there own XUL ??? I think that in the stable versions of Firefox, Thunderbird Firefox OS are the Gecko all the same ... ??? This would allow a GUI and running Firfox OS Apps on different

Misunderstood the Assigned at bugs! Sorry !!!

2014-07-08 Thread Tobias B. Besemer
Hi! Sorry, I have since some weeks the can-edit at Bugzilla and misunderstood the Assigned! I tried to help and clean up a bit Bugzilla with updating the Target Milestone to a Milestone that get still developed ... and was thinking that when a bug is Assigned To, that then the Status have to