Re: Adding hardware tokens to UA string

2012-09-25 Thread Gervase Markham
On 24/09/12 20:06, Jason Smith wrote: 3. For v1, we probably need to still stick to the original plan for the UA that does include Android in the UA, even though that's sub-optimal to receive Android specific content. We should move to the optimal UA in long-term though without the platform

Re: Adding hardware tokens to UA string

2012-09-25 Thread Lawrence Mandel
3. For v1, we probably need to still stick to the original plan for the UA that does include Android in the UA, even though that's sub-optimal to receive Android specific content. We should move to the optimal UA in long-term though without the platform identifier. Do we really think we

Re: Adding hardware tokens to UA string

2012-09-21 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 5:26 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: Indeed. I think this is a somewhat different issue than net neutrality. With net neutrality there's a middle party trying to build a business model by disrupting the traffic between a user and the content the user is

Re: Adding hardware tokens to UA string

2012-09-21 Thread Benoit Jacob
2012/9/21 Henri Sivonen hsivo...@iki.fi: On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 5:26 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: Indeed. I think this is a somewhat different issue than net neutrality. With net neutrality there's a middle party trying to build a business model by disrupting the traffic between

Re: Adding hardware tokens to UA string

2012-09-20 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Benjamin Smedberg benja...@smedbergs.us wrote: On 9/19/2012 2:12 AM, Henri Sivonen wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 3:30 AM, Henri Sivonen hsivo...@iki.fi wrote: FWIW, when preferential

Re: Adding hardware tokens to UA string

2012-09-18 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: For Firefox OS, we are getting requests from partners to add tokens to the UA string which identify the hardware device on which Firefox OS is running. We already had this debate for Firefox for Android. I think we should

Re: Adding hardware tokens to UA string

2012-09-18 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman dirk...@ochtman.nl wrote: Since Firefox OS is openly accessible to hardware vendors, wouldn't it be easy for them to override any decision made by Mozilla if they or their content partners would prefer it that way? The code is available, but it

Re: Adding hardware tokens to UA string

2012-09-18 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: * App stores only want to deliver applications to devices which they know will run on the device. This would make sense in an Apple-esque walled garden with relatively few different device models. However, if Mozilla's app

Re: Adding hardware tokens to UA string

2012-09-18 Thread Robert Kaiser
Jonas Sicking schrieb: For Firefox OS, we are getting requests from partners to add tokens to the UA string which identify the hardware device on which Firefox OS is running. I think using the UA is surely the wrong place for this. If we allow the models that want to be achieved with this at

Re: Adding hardware tokens to UA string

2012-09-13 Thread Nicholas Nethercote
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: * Some content providers strike deals with hardware manufacturers which allow devices made by the manufacturer to access content for free. One way that this is implemented is by looking for tokens in UA strings and serve

Re: Adding hardware tokens to UA string

2012-09-13 Thread Ben Hearsum
On 09/13/12 02:27 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote: For Firefox OS, we are getting requests from partners to add tokens to the UA string which identify the hardware device on which Firefox OS is running. I am very far from an expert here, but I recall during some discussions a few years ago that