Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: WebIDL Level 1

2016-10-14 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 10/14/16 8:30 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote: I searched those 23 open issues for "mixin" and found no open issue with "mixin" in the title. WebIDL has two bug tracking systems at the moment. People started using Github for some of the new stuff, but a lot of the old issues are still in the W3C B

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: WebIDL Level 1

2016-10-14 Thread Tantek Çelik
tl;dr: We must formally object to the advancement of W3C Proposed Recommendation: WebIDL Level 1 <http://www.w3.org/TR/2016/PR-WebIDL-1-20160915/>. Five (areas of) reasons (and details) given below. -t On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 11:08 PM, Boris Zbarsky wrote: > On 10/11/16 1:23 AM, L. Da

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: WebIDL Level 1

2016-10-11 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 10/11/16 6:57 PM, Bobby Holley wrote: Most development seems to happen under the WHATWG, which hosts the specs that implementors look at and the umbrella under which they discuss. The W3C then occasionally publishes arbitrary snapshots, which don't have any particular technical utility but, by

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: WebIDL Level 1

2016-10-11 Thread Bobby Holley
Yeah, from my not-super-informed perspective this is the primary benefit we get from W3C publication of stuff that's developed elsewhere. Most development seems to happen under the WHATWG, which hosts the specs that implementors look at and the umbrella under which they discuss. The W3C then occas

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: WebIDL Level 1

2016-10-11 Thread L. David Baron
On Tuesday 2016-10-11 14:49 +0200, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote: > > Speaking as someone who is at best a consumer of WebIDL, what's the argument > > for doing a snapshot at this time? > > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2016J

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: WebIDL Level 1

2016-10-11 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote: > Speaking as someone who is at best a consumer of WebIDL, what's the argument > for doing a snapshot at this time? https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2016JulSep/0004.html is presumably the argument. Those pointing out this ar

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: WebIDL Level 1

2016-10-11 Thread Eric Rescorla
Speaking as someone who is at best a consumer of WebIDL, what's the argument for doing a snapshot at this time? -Ekr On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 11:24 PM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, L. David Baron wrote: > > > But given that it is worthwhile to advance snapshots of st

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: WebIDL Level 1

2016-10-10 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, L. David Baron wrote: > But given that it is worthwhile to advance snapshots of stable > features to Recommendation every so often, is there a reason to > oppose this particular snapshot, even though it's not a suitable > target for implementation? It's not worthwhi

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: WebIDL Level 1

2016-10-10 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 10/11/16 1:23 AM, L. David Baron wrote: But given that it is worthwhile to advance snapshots of stable features to Recommendation every so often, is there a reason to oppose this particular snapshot, even though it's not a suitable target for implementation? I think the main reason I'm wary

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: WebIDL Level 1

2016-10-10 Thread L. David Baron
On Tuesday 2016-10-11 07:07 +0200, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, L. David Baron wrote: > > > I'd note that Mozillians have been very involved in editing the > > specification, but I'm not entirely sure of our level of involvement > > in stabilizing the "release branch" t

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: WebIDL Level 1

2016-10-10 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, L. David Baron wrote: > I'd note that Mozillians have been very involved in editing the > specification, but I'm not entirely sure of our level of involvement > in stabilizing the "release branch" to be a Level 1 recommendation. We've been opposed towards putting re

W3C Proposed Recommendation: WebIDL Level 1

2016-10-10 Thread L. David Baron
A W3C Proposed Recommendation is available for the membership of W3C (including Mozilla) to vote on, before it proceeds to the final stage of being a W3C Recomendation: WebIDL Level 1 W3C TR draft: https://www.w3.org/TR/WebIDL-1/ W3C Editor's draft: https://heycam.github.io/webidl/ deadlin