Re: [blink-dev] Re: What to do about scroll anchoring?

2020-02-20 Thread Chris Harrelson
Hi Emlio, Thanks for your patience with these fixes and taking the time to outline your concerns. Hope things are better now, and as always, if not just say so. :) Chris On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 7:39 AM Emilio Cobos Álvarez wrote: > A quick status update here: > > I landed some heuristics to

Re: [blink-dev] Re: What to do about scroll anchoring?

2020-02-20 Thread Emilio Cobos Álvarez
A quick status update here: I landed some heuristics to disable scroll anchoring in pathological cases in Firefox a long while ago. This stopped virtually all compat issues, though it's obviously not great. Chris and other Chromium folks have been doing work to fix Chromium issues that were

Re: [blink-dev] Re: What to do about scroll anchoring?

2019-11-06 Thread Chris Harrelson
HI Emilio, I'll follow up on crbug.com/920289. Let's discuss there. On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 3:03 PM Emilio Cobos Álvarez wrote: > Hi all, > > 10/18/19 7:19 PM, Chris Harrelson wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Another quick update: Emilio, Navid, Nick, Stefan and I met today and > > discussed which

Re: [blink-dev] Re: What to do about scroll anchoring?

2019-10-29 Thread Emilio Cobos Álvarez
Hi all, 10/18/19 7:19 PM, Chris Harrelson wrote: Hi, Another quick update: Emilio, Navid, Nick, Stefan and I met today and discussed which issues are important to fix and why. We now have a list of spec issues, and WPT tests to fix that are Chromium bugs, that should substantially improve

Re: [blink-dev] Re: What to do about scroll anchoring?

2019-10-18 Thread Chris Harrelson
Hi, Another quick update: Emilio, Navid, Nick, Stefan and I met today and discussed which issues are important to fix and why. We now have a list of spec issues, and WPT tests to fix that are Chromium bugs, that should substantially improve interop. Nick and Stefan will take on the work to fix

Re: [blink-dev] Re: What to do about scroll anchoring?

2019-10-16 Thread Rick Byers
Sorry for the delay. We agree that scroll anchoring has unrealized potential to be valuable for the web at large, and to make that happen we should be investing a lot more working with y'all (and if we can't succeed, probably removing it from chromium). Concretely +Chris Harrelson who leads

Re: [blink-dev] Re: What to do about scroll anchoring?

2019-10-16 Thread Chris Harrelson
On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 2:24 PM Emilio Cobos Álvarez wrote: > pretty significant behavior differences were only > caught later by me and people finding compat issues in the wild, like > [3]. I was sad that the spec reflected absolutely nothing like what > Blink implements. For this issue in

Re: [blink-dev] Re: What to do about scroll anchoring?

2019-10-16 Thread Rick Byers
On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 10:16 AM Emilio Cobos Álvarez wrote: > Hi Steve, > > On 9/27/19 4:03 PM, Steve Kobes wrote: > > Hi Emilio, > > > > My recollection is that scroll anchoring was, in fact, a mess. I do not > > personally have any opinion about whether scroll anchoring should be > > removed

Re: [blink-dev] Re: What to do about scroll anchoring?

2019-10-16 Thread Steve Kobes
Hi Emilio, My recollection is that scroll anchoring was, in fact, a mess. I do not personally have any opinion about whether scroll anchoring should be removed from Gecko. We (Chrome) decided to accept some compat issues for the sake of launching the feature. This was a judgment call and could

Re: [blink-dev] Re: What to do about scroll anchoring?

2019-10-07 Thread Mike Taylor
Hi Rick, On 9/28/19 10:07 PM, Rick Byers wrote: Can you give us a week or so to chat about this within the Chrome team and get back to you? Any updates here? Thanks. -- Mike Taylor Web Compat, Mozilla ___ dev-platform mailing list

Re: [blink-dev] Re: What to do about scroll anchoring?

2019-09-29 Thread Emilio Cobos Álvarez
On 9/29/19 5:07 AM, Rick Byers wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 10:16 AM Emilio Cobos Álvarez mailto:emi...@mozilla.com>> wrote: Hi Steve, On 9/27/19 4:03 PM, Steve Kobes wrote: > Hi Emilio, > > My recollection is that scroll anchoring was, in fact, a mess.  I do not

Re: What to do about scroll anchoring?

2019-09-29 Thread Matt Woodrow
On 29/09/19 1:54 PM, Cameron McCormack wrote: How useful is scroll anchoring outside of the two cases mentioned in https://drafts.csswg.org/css-scroll-anchoring/#intro i.e. images loading and ad iframes being inserted? Would it be feasible to make scroll anchoring a much less general

Re: What to do about scroll anchoring?

2019-09-28 Thread L. David Baron
On Sunday 2019-09-29 10:54 +1000, Cameron McCormack wrote: > How useful is scroll anchoring outside of the two cases mentioned in > https://drafts.csswg.org/css-scroll-anchoring/#intro i.e. images loading and > ad iframes being inserted? Would it be feasible to make scroll anchoring a > much

Re: What to do about scroll anchoring?

2019-09-28 Thread Cameron McCormack
How useful is scroll anchoring outside of the two cases mentioned in https://drafts.csswg.org/css-scroll-anchoring/#intro i.e. images loading and ad iframes being inserted? Would it be feasible to make scroll anchoring a much less general mechanism, and to scope it down to handling these

Re: What to do about scroll anchoring?

2019-09-28 Thread Jonathan Kew
On 27/09/2019 23:19, Botond Ballo wrote: Emilio, thanks for all your work on this! On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 8:23 AM Emilio Cobos Álvarez wrote: Does anyone have strong opinions against removing scroll anchoring from Gecko, based on the above? My 2c: it would be unfortunate to give up on

Re: What to do about scroll anchoring?

2019-09-27 Thread Botond Ballo
Emilio, thanks for all your work on this! On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 8:23 AM Emilio Cobos Álvarez wrote: > Does anyone have strong opinions against removing scroll anchoring from > Gecko, based on the above? My 2c: it would be unfortunate to give up on scroll anchoring as a feature altogether.

Re: What to do about scroll anchoring?

2019-09-27 Thread L. David Baron
On Friday 2019-09-27 14:23 +0200, Emilio Cobos Álvarez wrote: > Does anyone have strong opinions against removing scroll anchoring from > Gecko, based on the above? It seems pretty sad, since I think it's a very useful feature for a large class of pages -- particularly pages that are more

Re: What to do about scroll anchoring?

2019-09-27 Thread Emilio Cobos Álvarez
On 9/27/19 3:30 PM, twisniew...@mozilla.com wrote: I suspect that if we can give our compat addon an easy way to specify sites which need an opt-out, that might ease the pain. Likewise, as obnoxious as the thought is, perhaps giving sites a standard way to opt out of anchoring could be a

Re: What to do about scroll anchoring?

2019-09-27 Thread twisniewski
My gut tells me that there would be fallout with users. I've been personally told by more than one user that they are unwilling to use browsers without it, as they feel like user-unfriendly relics. As such I would recommend not removing it unless Blink does. I suspect that if we can handle the

Re: What to do about scroll anchoring?

2019-09-27 Thread Ryan Hunt
Hi, I was the one who originally implemented scroll anchoring in Firefox and just want to say that I agree with Emilio here. Scroll anchoring is a cool feature and would be great to have, but these difficulties that Emilio has mentioned have been here since day-1. It would be great to find a

Re: What to do about scroll anchoring?

2019-09-27 Thread Emilio Cobos Álvarez
And, to be clear, we _can_ fix these compat issues, some way or another. One thought is to limit the amount of scroll adjustments without user scrolling or stuff like that, which would prevent the "you get stuck on the page". Making anchoring opt-in rather than opt-out is another option, but