Questions regarding the qualifications and competency of TUVIT

2018-10-30 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
(Writing with an individual hat) I would like to suggest that consideration be given to rejecting future audits from TUVIT and from that of Matthias Wiedenhorst and Dr. Anja Widermann, for some period of time. I would suggest this period be at least one year long; however, given the technical

Re: Questions regarding the qualifications and competency of TUVIT

2018-10-30 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 11:59 AM Kurt Roeckx via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > On 2018-10-30 16:20, Ryan Sleevi wrote: > > Given that the Supervisory Body and National Accreditation bodies exist > to > > protect the legal value of this scheme, the failure

Re: Questions regarding the qualifications and competency of TUVIT

2018-10-30 Thread Moudrick M. Dadashov via dev-security-policy
Thanks for good overview. I'd  like to add some more. Actually the most questionalble part of the chain is so called Supervisory bodies. Of course, root programs do not rely on SB assessment, but under eIDAS they are authorised to audit TSPs and then publish National trust lists (as Scheme

Re: Questions regarding the qualifications and competency of TUVIT

2018-10-30 Thread Kurt Roeckx via dev-security-policy
On 2018-10-30 16:20, Ryan Sleevi wrote: Given that the Supervisory Body and National Accreditation bodies exist to protect the legal value of this scheme, the failure by TUVIT to uphold the safety and security of the eIDAS regime represents an ongoing threat to the ecosystem. Do we have a way

Re: Questions regarding the qualifications and competency of TUVIT

2018-10-30 Thread Erwann Abalea via dev-security-policy
Bonjour, Le mardi 30 octobre 2018 16:20:31 UTC+1, Ryan Sleevi a écrit : > (Writing with an individual hat) > > I would like to suggest that consideration be given to rejecting future > audits from TUVIT and from that of Matthias Wiedenhorst and Dr. Anja > Widermann, for some period of time. I

Re: Questions regarding the qualifications and competency of TUVIT

2018-10-30 Thread Erwann Abalea via dev-security-policy
Le mardi 30 octobre 2018 17:29:14 UTC+1, Ryan Sleevi a écrit : [...] > Note that if either the TSP is suspended of their certification or > withdrawn, no notification will be made to relying parties. The closest > that it comes is that if they're accredited according to EN 319 411-2 > (Qualified

Re: Questions regarding the qualifications and competency of TUVIT

2018-10-30 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 1:10 PM Erwann Abalea via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > In fact, for the Relying Party, these certificates are definitely > considered as Qualified certificates for website authentication, regardless > of the content of the

Re: Questions regarding the qualifications and competency of TUVIT

2018-10-30 Thread Erwann Abalea via dev-security-policy
Le mardi 30 octobre 2018 18:28:50 UTC+1, Ryan Sleevi a écrit : > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 1:10 PM Erwann Abalea via dev-security-policy < > dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > > > In fact, for the Relying Party, these certificates are definitely > > considered as Qualified certificates

Re: Questions regarding the qualifications and competency of TUVIT

2018-10-30 Thread Erwann Abalea via dev-security-policy
Le mardi 30 octobre 2018 18:30:11 UTC+1, Moudrick M. Dadashov a écrit : > Thanks for good overview. > I'd  like to add some more. > Actually the most questionalble part of the chain is so called Supervisory > bodies. > Of course, root programs do not rely on SB assessment, but under eIDAS they >

Re: Questions regarding the qualifications and competency of TUVIT

2018-10-30 Thread Erwann Abalea via dev-security-policy
Not seeing this on Google Groups :/ Le mar. 30 oct. 2018 à 18:28, Ryan Sleevi a écrit : > > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 1:20 PM Erwann Abalea via dev-security-policy < > dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > >> Le mardi 30 octobre 2018 17:29:14 UTC+1, Ryan Sleevi a écrit : >> [...] >> >

Re: Questions regarding the qualifications and competency of TUVIT

2018-10-30 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 5:08 PM Erwann Abalea wrote: > Not seeing this on Google Groups :/ > > Le mar. 30 oct. 2018 à 18:28, Ryan Sleevi a > écrit : > >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 1:20 PM Erwann Abalea via dev-security-policy < >> dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: >> >>> Le

Re: Questions regarding the qualifications and competency of TUVIT

2018-10-30 Thread Erwann Abalea via dev-security-policy
Le mardi 30 octobre 2018 22:23:10 UTC+1, Ryan Sleevi a écrit : > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 4:37 PM Erwann Abalea via dev-security-policy < > dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > > > > On what basis do you believe this claim is to be made? By virtue of > > > asserting qcStatement-1? If

Re: Questions regarding the qualifications and competency of TUVIT

2018-10-30 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 4:37 PM Erwann Abalea via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > > On what basis do you believe this claim is to be made? By virtue of > > asserting qcStatement-1? If qcStatement was mis-encoded, or qcStatement-1 > > was absent, do you