Re: MITM in the wild

2008-10-21 Thread Nelson B Bolyard
Ian G wrote, On 2008-10-20 22:41: Nelson B Bolyard wrote: It is widely agreed that, since KCM has no central revocation facility, KCM is not central, period. Talking about revocation is a strawman. I should have said central revocation SERVICE. Sadly, it DOES have a central revocation

Re: MITM in the wild

2008-10-21 Thread Eddy Nigg
Ian G: Nelson B Bolyard wrote: It is widely agreed that, since KCM has no central revocation facility, KCM is not central, period. Talking about revocation is a strawman. I think that's the point he is making. What's your point? Sounds to me like most of the last 1000 security bugs.

Re: revocation of roots

2008-10-21 Thread Frank Hecker
Paul Hoffman wrote: If you want to to be able to revoke roots, please consider instead getting active in the current work on TAMP (trust anchor management protocol) being discussed in the PKIX WG. Thanks for the suggestion; I presume that

Re: Dealing with third-party subordinates of T-Systems and others

2008-10-21 Thread Ian G
Frank Hecker wrote: [I'm trying to catch up on these threads, my apologies for the delay. I don't have time to respond to every message, unfortunately.] (I understand, I also feel the pressure.) Ian G wrote: If that was true, there would likely be an agreement between Mozilla and Verisign

Re: revocation of roots

2008-10-21 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 2:02 PM + 10/21/08, Frank Hecker wrote: Paul Hoffman wrote: If you want to to be able to revoke roots, please consider instead getting active in the current work on TAMP (trust anchor management protocol) being discussed in the PKIX WG. Thanks for the suggestion; I presume that

Re: revocation of roots

2008-10-21 Thread Julien R Pierre - Sun Microsystems
Kyle, Kyle Hamilton wrote: On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Julien R Pierre - Sun Microsystems [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the root could revoke itself, in the case of root cert key compromise, ie. the root cert's private key becoming public, anybody could then sign revocation information for