ETA on smaller stick penalty for CA Violations? (paging bsmith)

2012-02-21 Thread Stephen Schultze
(please send follow-ups to mozilla.dev.tech.crypto) Brian has in the past discussed proposed updates to NSS that would allow us to penalize bad CA behavior by removing trust of all certs from a given CA that were issued after a given date (or even for X amount of time after a given date).

Re: ETA on smaller stick penalty for CA Violations? (paging bsmith)

2012-02-21 Thread Gervase Markham
On 19/02/12 04:30, Jan Schejbal wrote: A different interesting approach for a punishment could be removal of the ability to create Sub-CAs. This would not put a CA out of business like other solutions, but hurt it and most importantly, remove an extremely risky ability. This could probably be

Re: ETA on smaller stick penalty for CA Violations? (paging bsmith)

2012-02-21 Thread Stephen Schultze
On 2/18/12 11:30 PM, Jan Schejbal wrote: Am 2012-02-19 02:46, schrieb Stephen Schultze: Brian, any thoughts on this? Is this something we should be holding out for, or should we look to other approaches? A different interesting approach for a punishment could be removal of the ability to

Re: ETA on smaller stick penalty for CA Violations? (paging bsmith)

2012-02-20 Thread Jan Schejbal
Am 2012-02-20 12:59, schrieb Gervase Markham: I don't think this would be terribly practical. If the length constraint was 1, then the CA would need to issue all subscriber certs directly off the root - which is a strongly discouraged practice. If the length constraint was 2, then the CA could

Re: ETA on smaller stick penalty for CA Violations? (paging bsmith)

2012-02-19 Thread Kai Engert
On 19.02.2012 02:46, Stephen Schultze wrote: Brian has in the past discussed proposed updates to NSS that would allow us to penalize bad CA behavior by removing trust of all certs from a given CA that were issued after a given date (or even for X amount of time after a given date). Someone

Re: ETA on smaller stick penalty for CA Violations? (paging bsmith)

2012-02-19 Thread Kyle Hamilton
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Stephen Schultze sjschultze.use...@gmail.com wrote: Brian has in the past discussed proposed updates to NSS that would allow us to penalize bad CA behavior by removing trust of all certs from a given CA that were issued after a given date (or even for X amount

Re: ETA on smaller stick penalty for CA Violations? (paging bsmith)

2012-02-18 Thread Jan Schejbal
Am 2012-02-19 02:46, schrieb Stephen Schultze: Brian, any thoughts on this? Is this something we should be holding out for, or should we look to other approaches? A different interesting approach for a punishment could be removal of the ability to create Sub-CAs. This would not put a CA out

Re: ETA on smaller stick penalty for CA Violations? (paging bsmith)

2012-02-18 Thread Jan Schejbal
Am 2012-02-19 06:00, schrieb Stephen Schultze: Yes, but it would also break all existing certs issued by that CA that are in the wild, which is one of the reasons that Mozilla has been so resistant to removing roots in the first place. Why? The point was only breaking the certs signed by