Re: [Vote] Remove Windows support from 4.0+
Hi, I wanted to call attention to the fact that while we removed Windows support on CASSANDRA-16171 [1], we haven't added instructions on how to run Cassandra on Windows with docker/WSL for those users that potentially relied on Windows support. (CASSANDRA-16173[2], CASSANDRA-15887[3]). While we probably shouldn't block GA on this I think we should at least mention in the installation guide[4] that native Windows support was dropped on 4.0 for those that relied on this. This can be done independently from the official artifacts since it's a separate repository. To close the loop on this if there are no objections I will send an email to the user list requesting volunteers to write the Windows instructions or donate resources to provide official windows support if there's interest. Cheers, Paulo [1] - https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-16171 [2] - https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-16173 [3] - https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-15887 [4] - https://cassandra.apache.org/doc/latest/getting_started/installing.html Em seg., 10 de ago. de 2020 às 15:01, Joshua McKenzie escreveu: > There's some significant performance differences between bare metal linux > and WAL 2 as per phoronix' recent testing: > > https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article=windows10-may2020-wsl2=2 > ; > I'd be wary of recommending it for *production* workloads but it certainly > seems to work fine for dev. > > (context for those that don't know: I did the initial full windows support > work back in 2014-2015) - my impression is that it's not a ton of work to > keep things up to date / working with windows fwiw, but we as a community > don't have anyone committed to maintaining support in 4.0 for Windows. It > seems our general impression as a dev community is that there's minimal > appetite for production usage of C* on Windows but we're lacking empirical > evidence for or against. > > reached out with an explicit request for donation of support, making it > > explicit that we will be removing support if none is forthcoming > > Seems like a reasonable enough approach to me. > > > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 1:02 PM Benedict Elliott Smith < > bened...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > I think it would seem a bit more legitimate to remove support without a > > normal deprecation cycle if we've reached out with an explicit request > for > > donation of support, making it explicit that we will be removing support > if > > none is forthcoming. But just my 2c; like most people on this list, even > > discussing Windows support barely registers on my priority list. > > > > On 10/08/2020, 17:53, "Jordan West" wrote: > > > > It wasn't directly regarding removing support but we did reach out to > > cassandra-users@ for testing 4.0 on Windows and got no response: > > https://www.mail-archive.com/user@cassandra.apache.org/msg60234.html > > > > Jordan > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 4:16 AM Benedict Elliott Smith < > > bened...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > > > > Have we considered first asking the user list if there's anyone > > willing to > > > donate resources to maintain compatibility? > > > > > > I know I have in the (distant) past handled Jira filed by > > (production) > > > Windows users. I don’t know how prevalent they are, but perhaps we > > should > > > offer them a chance to step up before cutting them off? I > understand > > > nobody presently involved has the resources or inclination to > > maintain > > > them, but if the effort is low it is not infeasible that somebody > > else > > > might. > > > > > > On 10/08/2020, 12:11, "Aleksey Yeshchenko" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > On 10 Aug 2020, at 04:14, Yuki Morishita > > wrote: > > > > > > > > As per the discussion(*), I propose to remove Windows support > > from > > > 4.0 > > > > release and onward. > > > > > > > > Windows scripts are not maintained and we lack windows test > > > > environments. WIndows users can use docker or cloud > > environments to > > > > set up Cassandra application development. > > > > > > > > If the vote pass, I will create the following tickets to > > officially > > > > remove Windows support from 4.0: > > > > > > > > - Remove Windows scripts and add notice to NEWS.txt > > > > - Update "Getting Started" documents for Windows users (to > > direct > > > them > > > > to use docker or cloud) > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Yuki > > > > > > > > -- > > > > *: > > > > > > https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/cassandra-dev/202007.mbox/%3CCAGM0Up_3GoPucCP-U18L1akzBXS1eJoKbui997%3DajcCfKJQdng%40mail.gmail.com%3E > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > To
Re: [Vote] Remove Windows support from 4.0+
There's some significant performance differences between bare metal linux and WAL 2 as per phoronix' recent testing: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article=windows10-may2020-wsl2=2; I'd be wary of recommending it for *production* workloads but it certainly seems to work fine for dev. (context for those that don't know: I did the initial full windows support work back in 2014-2015) - my impression is that it's not a ton of work to keep things up to date / working with windows fwiw, but we as a community don't have anyone committed to maintaining support in 4.0 for Windows. It seems our general impression as a dev community is that there's minimal appetite for production usage of C* on Windows but we're lacking empirical evidence for or against. reached out with an explicit request for donation of support, making it > explicit that we will be removing support if none is forthcoming Seems like a reasonable enough approach to me. On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 1:02 PM Benedict Elliott Smith wrote: > I think it would seem a bit more legitimate to remove support without a > normal deprecation cycle if we've reached out with an explicit request for > donation of support, making it explicit that we will be removing support if > none is forthcoming. But just my 2c; like most people on this list, even > discussing Windows support barely registers on my priority list. > > On 10/08/2020, 17:53, "Jordan West" wrote: > > It wasn't directly regarding removing support but we did reach out to > cassandra-users@ for testing 4.0 on Windows and got no response: > https://www.mail-archive.com/user@cassandra.apache.org/msg60234.html > > Jordan > > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 4:16 AM Benedict Elliott Smith < > bened...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > Have we considered first asking the user list if there's anyone > willing to > > donate resources to maintain compatibility? > > > > I know I have in the (distant) past handled Jira filed by > (production) > > Windows users. I don’t know how prevalent they are, but perhaps we > should > > offer them a chance to step up before cutting them off? I understand > > nobody presently involved has the resources or inclination to > maintain > > them, but if the effort is low it is not infeasible that somebody > else > > might. > > > > On 10/08/2020, 12:11, "Aleksey Yeshchenko" > > > wrote: > > > > +1 > > > > > On 10 Aug 2020, at 04:14, Yuki Morishita > wrote: > > > > > > As per the discussion(*), I propose to remove Windows support > from > > 4.0 > > > release and onward. > > > > > > Windows scripts are not maintained and we lack windows test > > > environments. WIndows users can use docker or cloud > environments to > > > set up Cassandra application development. > > > > > > If the vote pass, I will create the following tickets to > officially > > > remove Windows support from 4.0: > > > > > > - Remove Windows scripts and add notice to NEWS.txt > > > - Update "Getting Started" documents for Windows users (to > direct > > them > > > to use docker or cloud) > > > > > > Regards, > > > Yuki > > > > > > -- > > > *: > > > https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/cassandra-dev/202007.mbox/%3CCAGM0Up_3GoPucCP-U18L1akzBXS1eJoKbui997%3DajcCfKJQdng%40mail.gmail.com%3E > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org > > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org > >
Re: [Vote] Remove Windows support from 4.0+
I think it would seem a bit more legitimate to remove support without a normal deprecation cycle if we've reached out with an explicit request for donation of support, making it explicit that we will be removing support if none is forthcoming. But just my 2c; like most people on this list, even discussing Windows support barely registers on my priority list. On 10/08/2020, 17:53, "Jordan West" wrote: It wasn't directly regarding removing support but we did reach out to cassandra-users@ for testing 4.0 on Windows and got no response: https://www.mail-archive.com/user@cassandra.apache.org/msg60234.html Jordan On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 4:16 AM Benedict Elliott Smith wrote: > Have we considered first asking the user list if there's anyone willing to > donate resources to maintain compatibility? > > I know I have in the (distant) past handled Jira filed by (production) > Windows users. I don’t know how prevalent they are, but perhaps we should > offer them a chance to step up before cutting them off? I understand > nobody presently involved has the resources or inclination to maintain > them, but if the effort is low it is not infeasible that somebody else > might. > > On 10/08/2020, 12:11, "Aleksey Yeshchenko" > wrote: > > +1 > > > On 10 Aug 2020, at 04:14, Yuki Morishita wrote: > > > > As per the discussion(*), I propose to remove Windows support from > 4.0 > > release and onward. > > > > Windows scripts are not maintained and we lack windows test > > environments. WIndows users can use docker or cloud environments to > > set up Cassandra application development. > > > > If the vote pass, I will create the following tickets to officially > > remove Windows support from 4.0: > > > > - Remove Windows scripts and add notice to NEWS.txt > > - Update "Getting Started" documents for Windows users (to direct > them > > to use docker or cloud) > > > > Regards, > > Yuki > > > > -- > > *: > https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/cassandra-dev/202007.mbox/%3CCAGM0Up_3GoPucCP-U18L1akzBXS1eJoKbui997%3DajcCfKJQdng%40mail.gmail.com%3E > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org
Re: [Vote] Remove Windows support from 4.0+
It wasn't directly regarding removing support but we did reach out to cassandra-users@ for testing 4.0 on Windows and got no response: https://www.mail-archive.com/user@cassandra.apache.org/msg60234.html Jordan On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 4:16 AM Benedict Elliott Smith wrote: > Have we considered first asking the user list if there's anyone willing to > donate resources to maintain compatibility? > > I know I have in the (distant) past handled Jira filed by (production) > Windows users. I don’t know how prevalent they are, but perhaps we should > offer them a chance to step up before cutting them off? I understand > nobody presently involved has the resources or inclination to maintain > them, but if the effort is low it is not infeasible that somebody else > might. > > On 10/08/2020, 12:11, "Aleksey Yeshchenko" > wrote: > > +1 > > > On 10 Aug 2020, at 04:14, Yuki Morishita wrote: > > > > As per the discussion(*), I propose to remove Windows support from > 4.0 > > release and onward. > > > > Windows scripts are not maintained and we lack windows test > > environments. WIndows users can use docker or cloud environments to > > set up Cassandra application development. > > > > If the vote pass, I will create the following tickets to officially > > remove Windows support from 4.0: > > > > - Remove Windows scripts and add notice to NEWS.txt > > - Update "Getting Started" documents for Windows users (to direct > them > > to use docker or cloud) > > > > Regards, > > Yuki > > > > -- > > *: > https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/cassandra-dev/202007.mbox/%3CCAGM0Up_3GoPucCP-U18L1akzBXS1eJoKbui997%3DajcCfKJQdng%40mail.gmail.com%3E > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org > >
Re: [Vote] Remove Windows support from 4.0+
+1 On Sun, Aug 9, 2020, 10:15 PM Yuki Morishita wrote: > As per the discussion(*), I propose to remove Windows support from 4.0 > release and onward. > > Windows scripts are not maintained and we lack windows test > environments. WIndows users can use docker or cloud environments to > set up Cassandra application development. > > If the vote pass, I will create the following tickets to officially > remove Windows support from 4.0: > > - Remove Windows scripts and add notice to NEWS.txt > - Update "Getting Started" documents for Windows users (to direct them > to use docker or cloud) > > Regards, > Yuki > > -- > *: > https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/cassandra-dev/202007.mbox/%3CCAGM0Up_3GoPucCP-U18L1akzBXS1eJoKbui997%3DajcCfKJQdng%40mail.gmail.com%3E > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org > >
Re: [Vote] Remove Windows support from 4.0+
Have we considered first asking the user list if there's anyone willing to donate resources to maintain compatibility? I know I have in the (distant) past handled Jira filed by (production) Windows users. I don’t know how prevalent they are, but perhaps we should offer them a chance to step up before cutting them off? I understand nobody presently involved has the resources or inclination to maintain them, but if the effort is low it is not infeasible that somebody else might. On 10/08/2020, 12:11, "Aleksey Yeshchenko" wrote: +1 > On 10 Aug 2020, at 04:14, Yuki Morishita wrote: > > As per the discussion(*), I propose to remove Windows support from 4.0 > release and onward. > > Windows scripts are not maintained and we lack windows test > environments. WIndows users can use docker or cloud environments to > set up Cassandra application development. > > If the vote pass, I will create the following tickets to officially > remove Windows support from 4.0: > > - Remove Windows scripts and add notice to NEWS.txt > - Update "Getting Started" documents for Windows users (to direct them > to use docker or cloud) > > Regards, > Yuki > > -- > *: https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/cassandra-dev/202007.mbox/%3CCAGM0Up_3GoPucCP-U18L1akzBXS1eJoKbui997%3DajcCfKJQdng%40mail.gmail.com%3E > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org
Re: [Vote] Remove Windows support from 4.0+
+1 > On 10 Aug 2020, at 04:14, Yuki Morishita wrote: > > As per the discussion(*), I propose to remove Windows support from 4.0 > release and onward. > > Windows scripts are not maintained and we lack windows test > environments. WIndows users can use docker or cloud environments to > set up Cassandra application development. > > If the vote pass, I will create the following tickets to officially > remove Windows support from 4.0: > > - Remove Windows scripts and add notice to NEWS.txt > - Update "Getting Started" documents for Windows users (to direct them > to use docker or cloud) > > Regards, > Yuki > > -- > *: > https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/cassandra-dev/202007.mbox/%3CCAGM0Up_3GoPucCP-U18L1akzBXS1eJoKbui997%3DajcCfKJQdng%40mail.gmail.com%3E > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org
Re: [Vote] Remove Windows support from 4.0+
+1 On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 10:15 PM Yuki Morishita wrote: > As per the discussion(*), I propose to remove Windows support from 4.0 > release and onward. > > Windows scripts are not maintained and we lack windows test > environments. WIndows users can use docker or cloud environments to > set up Cassandra application development. > > If the vote pass, I will create the following tickets to officially > remove Windows support from 4.0: > > - Remove Windows scripts and add notice to NEWS.txt > - Update "Getting Started" documents for Windows users (to direct them > to use docker or cloud) > > Regards, > Yuki > > -- > *: > https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/cassandra-dev/202007.mbox/%3CCAGM0Up_3GoPucCP-U18L1akzBXS1eJoKbui997%3DajcCfKJQdng%40mail.gmail.com%3E > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org > > -- Jonathan Ellis co-founder, http://www.datastax.com @spyced
