Re: Resolution draft for graduation, members

2018-01-11 Thread Jacques Le Roux 

+1

Jacques


Le 10/01/2018 à 14:39, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :

+1

thank you

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 10:05 AM, Daniel Dekany  wrote:


I will add Nan Lei to the members on the Resolution, if you agree.
While he didn't commit since the translation for 2.3.23 was donated,
he might finds time to update it in the future. (He will be a
Committer, not a PMC member, most certainly.)

Other than that, I assume the proposed membership and chair won't
change for now. We can these before the vote in general@i.a.o anyway.


Monday, January 8, 2018, 5:24:02 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:


I agree with this description. Another important aspect is to keep
focused on the project, not miss anything about it and be ready to

answer to the

board and other outsiders.

That's why I think Daniel is the best person for this role at this
moment, when the project is just starting.

Because he not only knows the project better than anyone else, but
he is also ready to deliver not only code and advices but also

administrative tasks

as he already well proved.

Jacques


Le 08/01/2018 à 16:58, Ralph Goers a écrit :

Please remember that the role of PMC chair doesn’t have much to do with

how much you commit or perform other project tasks. As you will see at
https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair  the role is more secretarial than anything else. There
should be no expectation that the PMC chair is the “leader” of the project
although they do have responsibilities that other PMC members do not. That
said, if a PMC chair is indisposed another PMC member should be ready to
submit the board report in their absence.

You should not be thinking of the PMC chair as being the person who

most “deserves” it, but the person who has the time to participate in the
other mailing lists and perform the tasks of the job.

Ralph


On Jan 8, 2018, at 2:18 AM, Taher Alkhateeb <

slidingfilame...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm not highly involved in this project but I thought I'd make a

comment

from my brief experience. Daniel to me seems to be a heavy duty

lifter. I

was surprised at how fast he got features and code committed. In

addition I

think he has a clear vision for the project and its roadmap. He is

open to

ideas and cares about the project and wants to build a community. To me
this makes him a good candidate.

I am not the most active here so I apologize if my comments are out of
place. Just my 2 cents.

Cheers,

Taher Alkhateeb

On Jan 8, 2018 12:06 PM, "Daniel Dekany"  wrote:

Monday, January 8, 2018, 6:30:33 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:


You would probably be better served by having someone else
volunteer to be PMC chair. My reasoning for that is exactly for the
same reason you put yourself there. You are the most active
committer and obviously aren’t going anywhere. Having someone else
be chair insures that someone else is staying fairly involved in the
activities of the project, even if they aren’t the most active
committer. You need at least 3 active PMC members so use any
opportunity you can to make sure you stay above that mark.

Since it's a voluntarily position, let's see who wants that
responsibility. Guys, anyone wants to be a PMC chair if the project
graduates?


Ralph


On Jan 7, 2018, at 1:08 PM, David E Jones  wrote:

Looks good Daniel, may it be resolved!

-David

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Daniel Dekany 

wrote:

Here's the Resolution you will vote on (at least that's my plan) in
the graduation VOTE here on the poddling list. Anyone sees any
oversight in it?

As of the list of project members, I have listed everyone who said
that he/she intends to stay so far. Anyone else? In the current

list,

everyone intends to be in the PMC as well.

About the "be appointed to the office of Vice President" thing. Who
should be it? I have written there myself for now, as I'm by far the
most involved with the project. But maybe someone else fits that

role

better. I don't fancy titles, no offense taken in that case.

And, as always... if you can, please check if we miss any formal
requirements for graduation!



Establish the Apache FreeMarker Project

WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
the public, related to a template engine.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache FreeMarker Project",
be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
Foundation; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the Apache FreeMarker Project be and hereby is
responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
related to a template engine, and be it further

RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache FreeMarker" be

Re: Resolution draft for graduation, members

2018-01-10 Thread Daniel Dekany 
I will add Nan Lei to the members on the Resolution, if you agree.
While he didn't commit since the translation for 2.3.23 was donated,
he might finds time to update it in the future. (He will be a
Committer, not a PMC member, most certainly.)

Other than that, I assume the proposed membership and chair won't
change for now. We can these before the vote in general@i.a.o anyway.


Monday, January 8, 2018, 5:24:02 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> I agree with this description. Another important aspect is to keep
> focused on the project, not miss anything about it and be ready to answer to 
> the
> board and other outsiders.
>
> That's why I think Daniel is the best person for this role at this
> moment, when the project is just starting.
>
> Because he not only knows the project better than anyone else, but
> he is also ready to deliver not only code and advices but also administrative 
> tasks
> as he already well proved.
>
> Jacques
>
>
> Le 08/01/2018 à 16:58, Ralph Goers a écrit :
>> Please remember that the role of PMC chair doesn’t have much to do with how 
>> much you commit or perform other project tasks. As you will see at 
>> https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair 
>>  the role is more secretarial 
>> than anything else. There should be no expectation that the PMC chair is the 
>> “leader” of the project although they do have responsibilities that other 
>> PMC members do not. That said, if a PMC chair is indisposed another PMC 
>> member should be ready to submit the board report in their absence.
>>
>> You should not be thinking of the PMC chair as being the person who most 
>> “deserves” it, but the person who has the time to participate in the other 
>> mailing lists and perform the tasks of the job.
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>>> On Jan 8, 2018, at 2:18 AM, Taher Alkhateeb  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not highly involved in this project but I thought I'd make a comment
>>> from my brief experience. Daniel to me seems to be a heavy duty lifter. I
>>> was surprised at how fast he got features and code committed. In addition I
>>> think he has a clear vision for the project and its roadmap. He is open to
>>> ideas and cares about the project and wants to build a community. To me
>>> this makes him a good candidate.
>>>
>>> I am not the most active here so I apologize if my comments are out of
>>> place. Just my 2 cents.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Taher Alkhateeb
>>>
>>> On Jan 8, 2018 12:06 PM, "Daniel Dekany"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Monday, January 8, 2018, 6:30:33 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>>
 You would probably be better served by having someone else
 volunteer to be PMC chair. My reasoning for that is exactly for the
 same reason you put yourself there. You are the most active
 committer and obviously aren’t going anywhere. Having someone else
 be chair insures that someone else is staying fairly involved in the
 activities of the project, even if they aren’t the most active
 committer. You need at least 3 active PMC members so use any
 opportunity you can to make sure you stay above that mark.
>>> Since it's a voluntarily position, let's see who wants that
>>> responsibility. Guys, anyone wants to be a PMC chair if the project
>>> graduates?
>>>
 Ralph

> On Jan 7, 2018, at 1:08 PM, David E Jones  wrote:
>
> Looks good Daniel, may it be resolved!
>
> -David
>
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Daniel Dekany  wrote:
>
>> Here's the Resolution you will vote on (at least that's my plan) in
>> the graduation VOTE here on the poddling list. Anyone sees any
>> oversight in it?
>>
>> As of the list of project members, I have listed everyone who said
>> that he/she intends to stay so far. Anyone else? In the current list,
>> everyone intends to be in the PMC as well.
>>
>> About the "be appointed to the office of Vice President" thing. Who
>> should be it? I have written there myself for now, as I'm by far the
>> most involved with the project. But maybe someone else fits that role
>> better. I don't fancy titles, no offense taken in that case.
>>
>> And, as always... if you can, please check if we miss any formal
>> requirements for graduation!
>>
>> 
>>
>> Establish the Apache FreeMarker Project
>>
>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
>> the public, related to a template engine.
>>
>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache FreeMarker Project",
>> be and hereby is established pursuant to

Re: Resolution draft for graduation, members

2018-01-08 Thread Jacques Le Roux 
I agree with this description. Another important aspect is to keep focused on the project, not miss anything about it and be ready to answer to the 
board and other outsiders.


That's why I think Daniel is the best person for this role at this moment, when 
the project is just starting.

Because he not only knows the project better than anyone else, but he is also ready to deliver not only code and advices but also administrative tasks 
as he already well proved.


Jacques


Le 08/01/2018 à 16:58, Ralph Goers a écrit :

Please remember that the role of PMC chair doesn’t have much to do with how much you 
commit or perform other project tasks. As you will see at 
https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair 
 the role is more secretarial than 
anything else. There should be no expectation that the PMC chair is the “leader” of 
the project although they do have responsibilities that other PMC members do not. 
That said, if a PMC chair is indisposed another PMC member should be ready to submit 
the board report in their absence.

You should not be thinking of the PMC chair as being the person who most 
“deserves” it, but the person who has the time to participate in the other 
mailing lists and perform the tasks of the job.

Ralph


On Jan 8, 2018, at 2:18 AM, Taher Alkhateeb  wrote:

I'm not highly involved in this project but I thought I'd make a comment
from my brief experience. Daniel to me seems to be a heavy duty lifter. I
was surprised at how fast he got features and code committed. In addition I
think he has a clear vision for the project and its roadmap. He is open to
ideas and cares about the project and wants to build a community. To me
this makes him a good candidate.

I am not the most active here so I apologize if my comments are out of
place. Just my 2 cents.

Cheers,

Taher Alkhateeb

On Jan 8, 2018 12:06 PM, "Daniel Dekany"  wrote:

Monday, January 8, 2018, 6:30:33 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:


You would probably be better served by having someone else
volunteer to be PMC chair. My reasoning for that is exactly for the
same reason you put yourself there. You are the most active
committer and obviously aren’t going anywhere. Having someone else
be chair insures that someone else is staying fairly involved in the
activities of the project, even if they aren’t the most active
committer. You need at least 3 active PMC members so use any
opportunity you can to make sure you stay above that mark.

Since it's a voluntarily position, let's see who wants that
responsibility. Guys, anyone wants to be a PMC chair if the project
graduates?


Ralph


On Jan 7, 2018, at 1:08 PM, David E Jones  wrote:

Looks good Daniel, may it be resolved!

-David

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Daniel Dekany  wrote:


Here's the Resolution you will vote on (at least that's my plan) in
the graduation VOTE here on the poddling list. Anyone sees any
oversight in it?

As of the list of project members, I have listed everyone who said
that he/she intends to stay so far. Anyone else? In the current list,
everyone intends to be in the PMC as well.

About the "be appointed to the office of Vice President" thing. Who
should be it? I have written there myself for now, as I'm by far the
most involved with the project. But maybe someone else fits that role
better. I don't fancy titles, no offense taken in that case.

And, as always... if you can, please check if we miss any formal
requirements for graduation!



Establish the Apache FreeMarker Project

WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
the public, related to a template engine.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache FreeMarker Project",
be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
Foundation; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the Apache FreeMarker Project be and hereby is
responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
related to a template engine, and be it further

RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache FreeMarker" be
and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
of the Apache FreeMarker Project, and to have primary responsibility
for management of the projects within the scope of
responsibility of the Apache FreeMarker Project; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
Apache FreeMarker Project:

* Dániel Dékány   
* David E. Jones  
* Jacopo Cappellato

Re: Resolution draft for graduation, members

2018-01-08 Thread Ralph Goers 
Please remember that the role of PMC chair doesn’t have much to do with how 
much you commit or perform other project tasks. As you will see at 
https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair 
 the role is more secretarial than 
anything else. There should be no expectation that the PMC chair is the 
“leader” of the project although they do have responsibilities that other PMC 
members do not. That said, if a PMC chair is indisposed another PMC member 
should be ready to submit the board report in their absence. 

You should not be thinking of the PMC chair as being the person who most 
“deserves” it, but the person who has the time to participate in the other 
mailing lists and perform the tasks of the job.

Ralph

> On Jan 8, 2018, at 2:18 AM, Taher Alkhateeb  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm not highly involved in this project but I thought I'd make a comment
> from my brief experience. Daniel to me seems to be a heavy duty lifter. I
> was surprised at how fast he got features and code committed. In addition I
> think he has a clear vision for the project and its roadmap. He is open to
> ideas and cares about the project and wants to build a community. To me
> this makes him a good candidate.
> 
> I am not the most active here so I apologize if my comments are out of
> place. Just my 2 cents.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Taher Alkhateeb
> 
> On Jan 8, 2018 12:06 PM, "Daniel Dekany"  wrote:
> 
> Monday, January 8, 2018, 6:30:33 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
> 
>> You would probably be better served by having someone else
>> volunteer to be PMC chair. My reasoning for that is exactly for the
>> same reason you put yourself there. You are the most active
>> committer and obviously aren’t going anywhere. Having someone else
>> be chair insures that someone else is staying fairly involved in the
>> activities of the project, even if they aren’t the most active
>> committer. You need at least 3 active PMC members so use any
>> opportunity you can to make sure you stay above that mark.
> 
> Since it's a voluntarily position, let's see who wants that
> responsibility. Guys, anyone wants to be a PMC chair if the project
> graduates?
> 
>> Ralph
>> 
>>> On Jan 7, 2018, at 1:08 PM, David E Jones  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Looks good Daniel, may it be resolved!
>>> 
>>> -David
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Daniel Dekany  wrote:
>>> 
 Here's the Resolution you will vote on (at least that's my plan) in
 the graduation VOTE here on the poddling list. Anyone sees any
 oversight in it?
 
 As of the list of project members, I have listed everyone who said
 that he/she intends to stay so far. Anyone else? In the current list,
 everyone intends to be in the PMC as well.
 
 About the "be appointed to the office of Vice President" thing. Who
 should be it? I have written there myself for now, as I'm by far the
 most involved with the project. But maybe someone else fits that role
 better. I don't fancy titles, no offense taken in that case.
 
 And, as always... if you can, please check if we miss any formal
 requirements for graduation!
 
 
 
 Establish the Apache FreeMarker Project
 
 WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
 interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
 Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
 Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
 open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
 the public, related to a template engine.
 
 NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
 Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache FreeMarker Project",
 be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
 Foundation; and be it further
 
 RESOLVED, that the Apache FreeMarker Project be and hereby is
 responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
 related to a template engine, and be it further
 
 RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache FreeMarker" be
 and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
 serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
 of the Apache FreeMarker Project, and to have primary responsibility
 for management of the projects within the scope of
 responsibility of the Apache FreeMarker Project; and be it further
 
 RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
 hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
 Apache FreeMarker Project:
 
 * Dániel Dékány   
 * David E. Jones  
 * Jacopo Cappellato   
 * Jacques Le Roux 
 * Sergio Fernández
 * Woonsan Ko

Re: Resolution draft for graduation, members

2018-01-08 Thread Jacques Le Roux 

Your comments are welcome Taher, and I agree with you

Jacques


Le 08/01/2018 à 10:18, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit :

I'm not highly involved in this project but I thought I'd make a comment
from my brief experience. Daniel to me seems to be a heavy duty lifter. I
was surprised at how fast he got features and code committed. In addition I
think he has a clear vision for the project and its roadmap. He is open to
ideas and cares about the project and wants to build a community. To me
this makes him a good candidate.

I am not the most active here so I apologize if my comments are out of
place. Just my 2 cents.

Cheers,

Taher Alkhateeb

On Jan 8, 2018 12:06 PM, "Daniel Dekany"  wrote:

Monday, January 8, 2018, 6:30:33 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:


You would probably be better served by having someone else
volunteer to be PMC chair. My reasoning for that is exactly for the
same reason you put yourself there. You are the most active
committer and obviously aren’t going anywhere. Having someone else
be chair insures that someone else is staying fairly involved in the
activities of the project, even if they aren’t the most active
committer. You need at least 3 active PMC members so use any
opportunity you can to make sure you stay above that mark.

Since it's a voluntarily position, let's see who wants that
responsibility. Guys, anyone wants to be a PMC chair if the project
graduates?


Ralph


On Jan 7, 2018, at 1:08 PM, David E Jones  wrote:

Looks good Daniel, may it be resolved!

-David

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Daniel Dekany  wrote:


Here's the Resolution you will vote on (at least that's my plan) in
the graduation VOTE here on the poddling list. Anyone sees any
oversight in it?

As of the list of project members, I have listed everyone who said
that he/she intends to stay so far. Anyone else? In the current list,
everyone intends to be in the PMC as well.

About the "be appointed to the office of Vice President" thing. Who
should be it? I have written there myself for now, as I'm by far the
most involved with the project. But maybe someone else fits that role
better. I don't fancy titles, no offense taken in that case.

And, as always... if you can, please check if we miss any formal
requirements for graduation!



Establish the Apache FreeMarker Project

WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
the public, related to a template engine.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache FreeMarker Project",
be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
Foundation; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the Apache FreeMarker Project be and hereby is
responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
related to a template engine, and be it further

RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache FreeMarker" be
and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
of the Apache FreeMarker Project, and to have primary responsibility
for management of the projects within the scope of
responsibility of the Apache FreeMarker Project; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
Apache FreeMarker Project:

  * Dániel Dékány   
  * David E. Jones  
  * Jacopo Cappellato   
  * Jacques Le Roux 
  * Sergio Fernández
  * Woonsan Ko  

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Dániel Dékány
be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache FreeMarker,
to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
or until a successor is appointed; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the Apache FreeMarker Project be and hereby
is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
Incubator FreeMarker podling; and be it further

RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
Incubator FreeMarker podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
Project are hereafter discharged.

--
Thanks,
Daniel Dekany






--
Thanks,
  Daniel Dekany

Re: Resolution draft for graduation, members

2018-01-08 Thread Taher Alkhateeb 
I'm not highly involved in this project but I thought I'd make a comment
from my brief experience. Daniel to me seems to be a heavy duty lifter. I
was surprised at how fast he got features and code committed. In addition I
think he has a clear vision for the project and its roadmap. He is open to
ideas and cares about the project and wants to build a community. To me
this makes him a good candidate.

I am not the most active here so I apologize if my comments are out of
place. Just my 2 cents.

Cheers,

Taher Alkhateeb

On Jan 8, 2018 12:06 PM, "Daniel Dekany"  wrote:

Monday, January 8, 2018, 6:30:33 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:

> You would probably be better served by having someone else
> volunteer to be PMC chair. My reasoning for that is exactly for the
> same reason you put yourself there. You are the most active
> committer and obviously aren’t going anywhere. Having someone else
> be chair insures that someone else is staying fairly involved in the
> activities of the project, even if they aren’t the most active
> committer. You need at least 3 active PMC members so use any
> opportunity you can to make sure you stay above that mark.

Since it's a voluntarily position, let's see who wants that
responsibility. Guys, anyone wants to be a PMC chair if the project
graduates?

> Ralph
>
>> On Jan 7, 2018, at 1:08 PM, David E Jones  wrote:
>>
>> Looks good Daniel, may it be resolved!
>>
>> -David
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Daniel Dekany  wrote:
>>
>>> Here's the Resolution you will vote on (at least that's my plan) in
>>> the graduation VOTE here on the poddling list. Anyone sees any
>>> oversight in it?
>>>
>>> As of the list of project members, I have listed everyone who said
>>> that he/she intends to stay so far. Anyone else? In the current list,
>>> everyone intends to be in the PMC as well.
>>>
>>> About the "be appointed to the office of Vice President" thing. Who
>>> should be it? I have written there myself for now, as I'm by far the
>>> most involved with the project. But maybe someone else fits that role
>>> better. I don't fancy titles, no offense taken in that case.
>>>
>>> And, as always... if you can, please check if we miss any formal
>>> requirements for graduation!
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Establish the Apache FreeMarker Project
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>>> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
>>> the public, related to a template engine.
>>>
>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache FreeMarker Project",
>>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>> Foundation; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache FreeMarker Project be and hereby is
>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
>>> related to a template engine, and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache FreeMarker" be
>>> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>>> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>>> of the Apache FreeMarker Project, and to have primary responsibility
>>> for management of the projects within the scope of
>>> responsibility of the Apache FreeMarker Project; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>>> Apache FreeMarker Project:
>>>
>>>  * Dániel Dékány   
>>>  * David E. Jones  
>>>  * Jacopo Cappellato   
>>>  * Jacques Le Roux 
>>>  * Sergio Fernández
>>>  * Woonsan Ko  
>>>
>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Dániel Dékány
>>> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache FreeMarker,
>>> to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>>> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>>> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>>> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache FreeMarker Project be and hereby
>>> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>>> Incubator FreeMarker podling; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>>> Incubator FreeMarker podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>>> Project are hereafter discharged.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>> Daniel Dekany
>>>
>>>
>
>
>

--
Thanks,
 Daniel Dekany

Re: Resolution draft for graduation, members

2018-01-08 Thread Daniel Dekany 
Monday, January 8, 2018, 6:30:33 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:

> You would probably be better served by having someone else
> volunteer to be PMC chair. My reasoning for that is exactly for the
> same reason you put yourself there. You are the most active
> committer and obviously aren’t going anywhere. Having someone else
> be chair insures that someone else is staying fairly involved in the
> activities of the project, even if they aren’t the most active
> committer. You need at least 3 active PMC members so use any
> opportunity you can to make sure you stay above that mark.

Since it's a voluntarily position, let's see who wants that
responsibility. Guys, anyone wants to be a PMC chair if the project
graduates?

> Ralph
>
>> On Jan 7, 2018, at 1:08 PM, David E Jones  wrote:
>> 
>> Looks good Daniel, may it be resolved!
>> 
>> -David
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Daniel Dekany  wrote:
>> 
>>> Here's the Resolution you will vote on (at least that's my plan) in
>>> the graduation VOTE here on the poddling list. Anyone sees any
>>> oversight in it?
>>> 
>>> As of the list of project members, I have listed everyone who said
>>> that he/she intends to stay so far. Anyone else? In the current list,
>>> everyone intends to be in the PMC as well.
>>> 
>>> About the "be appointed to the office of Vice President" thing. Who
>>> should be it? I have written there myself for now, as I'm by far the
>>> most involved with the project. But maybe someone else fits that role
>>> better. I don't fancy titles, no offense taken in that case.
>>> 
>>> And, as always... if you can, please check if we miss any formal
>>> requirements for graduation!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Establish the Apache FreeMarker Project
>>> 
>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>>> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
>>> the public, related to a template engine.
>>> 
>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache FreeMarker Project",
>>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>> Foundation; and be it further
>>> 
>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache FreeMarker Project be and hereby is
>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
>>> related to a template engine, and be it further
>>> 
>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache FreeMarker" be
>>> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>>> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>>> of the Apache FreeMarker Project, and to have primary responsibility
>>> for management of the projects within the scope of
>>> responsibility of the Apache FreeMarker Project; and be it further
>>> 
>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>>> Apache FreeMarker Project:
>>> 
>>>  * Dániel Dékány   
>>>  * David E. Jones  
>>>  * Jacopo Cappellato   
>>>  * Jacques Le Roux 
>>>  * Sergio Fernández
>>>  * Woonsan Ko  
>>> 
>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Dániel Dékány
>>> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache FreeMarker,
>>> to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>>> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>>> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>>> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>> 
>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache FreeMarker Project be and hereby
>>> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>>> Incubator FreeMarker podling; and be it further
>>> 
>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>>> Incubator FreeMarker podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>>> Project are hereafter discharged.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>> Daniel Dekany
>>> 
>>> 
>
>
>

-- 
Thanks,
 Daniel Dekany

Re: Resolution draft for graduation, members

2018-01-07 Thread Jacopo Cappellato 
On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 6:30 AM, Ralph Goers 
wrote:

> You would probably be better served by having someone else volunteer to be
> PMC chair. My reasoning for that is exactly for the same reason you put
> yourself there. You are the most active committer and obviously aren’t
> going anywhere. Having someone else be chair insures that someone else is
> staying fairly involved in the activities of the project, even if they
> aren’t the most active committer. You need at least 3 active PMC members so
> use any opportunity you can to make sure you stay above that mark.
>
> Ralph
>

This is a valuable argument but my preference is that we begin with Daniel
and possibly consider this opportunity in the future: I think it is
important, for the continuity of the history of the project (before/after
graduation), to assign the PMC chair role to the most influential person in
the FreeMarker community (which is also an ASF member); also, at the moment
there are no issues in identifying +3 active PMC members and my hope is
that people will stay involved with the project because they care and not
because of the responsibility assigned to them.

Jacopo

Re: Resolution draft for graduation, members

2018-01-07 Thread Ralph Goers 
You would probably be better served by having someone else volunteer to be PMC 
chair. My reasoning for that is exactly for the same reason you put yourself 
there. You are the most active committer and obviously aren’t going anywhere. 
Having someone else be chair insures that someone else is staying fairly 
involved in the activities of the project, even if they aren’t the most active 
committer. You need at least 3 active PMC members so use any opportunity you 
can to make sure you stay above that mark.

Ralph

> On Jan 7, 2018, at 1:08 PM, David E Jones  wrote:
> 
> Looks good Daniel, may it be resolved!
> 
> -David
> 
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Daniel Dekany  wrote:
> 
>> Here's the Resolution you will vote on (at least that's my plan) in
>> the graduation VOTE here on the poddling list. Anyone sees any
>> oversight in it?
>> 
>> As of the list of project members, I have listed everyone who said
>> that he/she intends to stay so far. Anyone else? In the current list,
>> everyone intends to be in the PMC as well.
>> 
>> About the "be appointed to the office of Vice President" thing. Who
>> should be it? I have written there myself for now, as I'm by far the
>> most involved with the project. But maybe someone else fits that role
>> better. I don't fancy titles, no offense taken in that case.
>> 
>> And, as always... if you can, please check if we miss any formal
>> requirements for graduation!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Establish the Apache FreeMarker Project
>> 
>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
>> the public, related to a template engine.
>> 
>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache FreeMarker Project",
>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>> Foundation; and be it further
>> 
>> RESOLVED, that the Apache FreeMarker Project be and hereby is
>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
>> related to a template engine, and be it further
>> 
>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache FreeMarker" be
>> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>> of the Apache FreeMarker Project, and to have primary responsibility
>> for management of the projects within the scope of
>> responsibility of the Apache FreeMarker Project; and be it further
>> 
>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>> Apache FreeMarker Project:
>> 
>>  * Dániel Dékány   
>>  * David E. Jones  
>>  * Jacopo Cappellato   
>>  * Jacques Le Roux 
>>  * Sergio Fernández
>>  * Woonsan Ko  
>> 
>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Dániel Dékány
>> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache FreeMarker,
>> to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>> 
>> RESOLVED, that the Apache FreeMarker Project be and hereby
>> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>> Incubator FreeMarker podling; and be it further
>> 
>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>> Incubator FreeMarker podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>> Project are hereafter discharged.
>> 
>> --
>> Thanks,
>> Daniel Dekany
>> 
>>

Re: Resolution draft for graduation, members

2018-01-07 Thread Woonsan Ko 
On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Sergio Fernández  wrote:
> Draft looks just perfect. I think there us no better candidate for VP than
> Daniel.

+1 on both.

Woonsan

>
> On Jan 5, 2018 22:08, "Daniel Dekany"  wrote:
>
>> Here's the Resolution you will vote on (at least that's my plan) in
>> the graduation VOTE here on the poddling list. Anyone sees any
>> oversight in it?
>>
>> As of the list of project members, I have listed everyone who said
>> that he/she intends to stay so far. Anyone else? In the current list,
>> everyone intends to be in the PMC as well.
>>
>> About the "be appointed to the office of Vice President" thing. Who
>> should be it? I have written there myself for now, as I'm by far the
>> most involved with the project. But maybe someone else fits that role
>> better. I don't fancy titles, no offense taken in that case.
>>
>> And, as always... if you can, please check if we miss any formal
>> requirements for graduation!
>>
>> 
>>
>> Establish the Apache FreeMarker Project
>>
>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
>> the public, related to a template engine.
>>
>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache FreeMarker Project",
>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>> Foundation; and be it further
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the Apache FreeMarker Project be and hereby is
>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
>> related to a template engine, and be it further
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache FreeMarker" be
>> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>> of the Apache FreeMarker Project, and to have primary responsibility
>> for management of the projects within the scope of
>> responsibility of the Apache FreeMarker Project; and be it further
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>> Apache FreeMarker Project:
>>
>>   * Dániel Dékány   
>>   * David E. Jones  
>>   * Jacopo Cappellato   
>>   * Jacques Le Roux 
>>   * Sergio Fernández
>>   * Woonsan Ko  
>>
>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Dániel Dékány
>> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache FreeMarker,
>> to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the Apache FreeMarker Project be and hereby
>> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>> Incubator FreeMarker podling; and be it further
>>
>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>> Incubator FreeMarker podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>> Project are hereafter discharged.
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>>  Daniel Dekany
>>
>>

Re: Resolution draft for graduation, members

2018-01-07 Thread David E Jones 
Looks good Daniel, may it be resolved!

-David

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Daniel Dekany  wrote:

> Here's the Resolution you will vote on (at least that's my plan) in
> the graduation VOTE here on the poddling list. Anyone sees any
> oversight in it?
>
> As of the list of project members, I have listed everyone who said
> that he/she intends to stay so far. Anyone else? In the current list,
> everyone intends to be in the PMC as well.
>
> About the "be appointed to the office of Vice President" thing. Who
> should be it? I have written there myself for now, as I'm by far the
> most involved with the project. But maybe someone else fits that role
> better. I don't fancy titles, no offense taken in that case.
>
> And, as always... if you can, please check if we miss any formal
> requirements for graduation!
>
> 
>
> Establish the Apache FreeMarker Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
> the public, related to a template engine.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache FreeMarker Project",
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache FreeMarker Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
> related to a template engine, and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache FreeMarker" be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> of the Apache FreeMarker Project, and to have primary responsibility
> for management of the projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache FreeMarker Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> Apache FreeMarker Project:
>
>   * Dániel Dékány   
>   * David E. Jones  
>   * Jacopo Cappellato   
>   * Jacques Le Roux 
>   * Sergio Fernández
>   * Woonsan Ko  
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Dániel Dékány
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache FreeMarker,
> to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache FreeMarker Project be and hereby
> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> Incubator FreeMarker podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> Incubator FreeMarker podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> Project are hereafter discharged.
>
> --
> Thanks,
>  Daniel Dekany
>
>

Re: Resolution draft for graduation, members

2018-01-07 Thread Jacques Le Roux 

+1

Jacques


Le 07/01/2018 à 13:25, Sergio Fernández a écrit :

Draft looks just perfect. I think there us no better candidate for VP than
Daniel.

On Jan 5, 2018 22:08, "Daniel Dekany"  wrote:


Here's the Resolution you will vote on (at least that's my plan) in
the graduation VOTE here on the poddling list. Anyone sees any
oversight in it?

As of the list of project members, I have listed everyone who said
that he/she intends to stay so far. Anyone else? In the current list,
everyone intends to be in the PMC as well.

About the "be appointed to the office of Vice President" thing. Who
should be it? I have written there myself for now, as I'm by far the
most involved with the project. But maybe someone else fits that role
better. I don't fancy titles, no offense taken in that case.

And, as always... if you can, please check if we miss any formal
requirements for graduation!



Establish the Apache FreeMarker Project

WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
the public, related to a template engine.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache FreeMarker Project",
be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
Foundation; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the Apache FreeMarker Project be and hereby is
responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
related to a template engine, and be it further

RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache FreeMarker" be
and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
of the Apache FreeMarker Project, and to have primary responsibility
for management of the projects within the scope of
responsibility of the Apache FreeMarker Project; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
Apache FreeMarker Project:

   * Dániel Dékány   
   * David E. Jones  
   * Jacopo Cappellato   
   * Jacques Le Roux 
   * Sergio Fernández
   * Woonsan Ko  

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Dániel Dékány
be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache FreeMarker,
to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
or until a successor is appointed; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the Apache FreeMarker Project be and hereby
is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
Incubator FreeMarker podling; and be it further

RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
Incubator FreeMarker podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
Project are hereafter discharged.

--
Thanks,
  Daniel Dekany

Re: Resolution draft for graduation, members

2018-01-07 Thread Sergio Fernández 
Draft looks just perfect. I think there us no better candidate for VP than
Daniel.

On Jan 5, 2018 22:08, "Daniel Dekany"  wrote:

> Here's the Resolution you will vote on (at least that's my plan) in
> the graduation VOTE here on the poddling list. Anyone sees any
> oversight in it?
>
> As of the list of project members, I have listed everyone who said
> that he/she intends to stay so far. Anyone else? In the current list,
> everyone intends to be in the PMC as well.
>
> About the "be appointed to the office of Vice President" thing. Who
> should be it? I have written there myself for now, as I'm by far the
> most involved with the project. But maybe someone else fits that role
> better. I don't fancy titles, no offense taken in that case.
>
> And, as always... if you can, please check if we miss any formal
> requirements for graduation!
>
> 
>
> Establish the Apache FreeMarker Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
> the public, related to a template engine.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache FreeMarker Project",
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache FreeMarker Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
> related to a template engine, and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache FreeMarker" be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> of the Apache FreeMarker Project, and to have primary responsibility
> for management of the projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache FreeMarker Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> Apache FreeMarker Project:
>
>   * Dániel Dékány   
>   * David E. Jones  
>   * Jacopo Cappellato   
>   * Jacques Le Roux 
>   * Sergio Fernández
>   * Woonsan Ko  
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Dániel Dékány
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache FreeMarker,
> to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache FreeMarker Project be and hereby
> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> Incubator FreeMarker podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> Incubator FreeMarker podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> Project are hereafter discharged.
>
> --
> Thanks,
>  Daniel Dekany
>
>

Re: Resolution draft for graduation, members

2018-01-07 Thread Jacopo Cappellato 
Looks great to me and of course you are the best person for the VP role!

Jacopo

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 10:08 PM, Daniel Dekany  wrote:

> Here's the Resolution you will vote on (at least that's my plan) in
> the graduation VOTE here on the poddling list. Anyone sees any
> oversight in it?
>
> As of the list of project members, I have listed everyone who said
> that he/she intends to stay so far. Anyone else? In the current list,
> everyone intends to be in the PMC as well.
>
> About the "be appointed to the office of Vice President" thing. Who
> should be it? I have written there myself for now, as I'm by far the
> most involved with the project. But maybe someone else fits that role
> better. I don't fancy titles, no offense taken in that case.
>
> And, as always... if you can, please check if we miss any formal
> requirements for graduation!
>
> 
>
> Establish the Apache FreeMarker Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
> the public, related to a template engine.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache FreeMarker Project",
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache FreeMarker Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
> related to a template engine, and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache FreeMarker" be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> of the Apache FreeMarker Project, and to have primary responsibility
> for management of the projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache FreeMarker Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> Apache FreeMarker Project:
>
>   * Dániel Dékány   
>   * David E. Jones  
>   * Jacopo Cappellato   
>   * Jacques Le Roux 
>   * Sergio Fernández
>   * Woonsan Ko  
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Dániel Dékány
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache FreeMarker,
> to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache FreeMarker Project be and hereby
> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> Incubator FreeMarker podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> Incubator FreeMarker podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> Project are hereafter discharged.
>
> --
> Thanks,
>  Daniel Dekany
>
>