Re: [PROPOSAL] Add commercial support page on website
Hi all, I think that making and updating such a list implies tricky questions that we have to deal with. Good examples were given by Matthias, that was my first thought as well before reading his response. On the other hand I think it would be a good alternative to create a list of companies that are either regular or meaningful contributors to the project, provide other help such as testing infra or sponsors of the project in other ways. This may present those companies who provide support too and I think it'd be some appreciation as well to display them. What do you all think? Best, Viktor On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 10:08 AM Francois Papon < francois.pa...@openobject.fr> wrote: > Hi Tison, > > Publishing a dedicated website for that can be a good idea, however if > the link of the website could not be mention in the official Apache > Kafka website I'm afraid that it will not be relevant. > > BTW, as I understand after all the feedback of the Apache Kafka PMC and > community, my proposal is not a good idea for the project so I will > close the PR. > > Thanks all for the feedback. > > regards, > > François > > On 14/01/2024 12:56, tison wrote: > > FWIW - even if it's rejected by the Kafka PMC, you can maintain your > > own page for such information and provide your personal comments on > > them. If the object is to provide information and help users to make > > decisions, it should help. Although you should do the SEO by yourself, > > if the information is somehow neutral and valuable, you can ask the > > @apachekafka Twitter (X) account to propagate it and provide a blog > > for Kafka blogs. > > > > This is the common way how third-party "evangelist" producing content > > and get it promoted. > > > > Best, > > tison. > > > > Matthias J. Sax 于2024年1月13日周六 07:35写道： > >> François, > >> > >> thanks for starting this initiative. Personally, I don't think it's > >> necessarily harmful for the project to add such a new page, however, I > >> share the same concerns others raised already. > >> > >> I understand your motivation that people had issues finding commercial > >> support, but I am not sure we can address this issue that way. I am also > >> "worried" (for the lack of a better word) that the page might become > >> long an unwieldy. In the end, any freelancer/consultant offering Kafka > >> services would be able to get on the page, so we might get hundreds of > >> entries, what also makes it impossible for users to find what they are > >> looking for. Also, the services of different companies might vary > >> drastically; should users read all these descriptions? I can also > >> imagine that some companies offer their services only in some > >> countries/regions making it even harder for user to find what they are > >> looking for? > >> > >> Overall, it sounds more like a search optimization problem, and thus it > >> seems out-of-scope what we can solve. As I said, I am not strictly > >> against it, but I just don't see much value either. > >> > >> > >> -Matthias > >> > >> On 1/11/24 12:55 PM, Francois Papon wrote: > >>> Hi Justine, > >>> > >>> You're right, Kafka is a part of my business (training, consulting, > >>> architecture design, sla...) and most of the time, users/customers said > >>> that it was hard for them to find a commercial support (in France for > my > >>> case) after searching on the Kafka website (Google didn't help them). > >>> > >>> As an ASF member and PMC of several ASF projects, I know that this kind > >>> of page exist so this is why I made this proposal for the Kafka project > >>> because I really think that it can help users. > >>> > >>> As you suggest, I can submit a PR to be added on the "powered by" page. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> François > >>> > >>> On 11/01/2024 21:00, Justine Olshan wrote: > >>>> Hey François, > >>>> > >>>> My point was that the companies on that page use kafka as part of > their > >>>> business. If you use Kafka as part of your business feel free to > submit a > >>>> PR to be added. > >>>> > >>>> I second Chris's point that other projects are not enough to require > >>>> Kafka > >>>> having such a support page. > >>>> > >>>> Justine > >>>> >
Re: [PROPOSAL] Add commercial support page on website
Hi Tison, Publishing a dedicated website for that can be a good idea, however if the link of the website could not be mention in the official Apache Kafka website I'm afraid that it will not be relevant. BTW, as I understand after all the feedback of the Apache Kafka PMC and community, my proposal is not a good idea for the project so I will close the PR. Thanks all for the feedback. regards, François On 14/01/2024 12:56, tison wrote: FWIW - even if it's rejected by the Kafka PMC, you can maintain your own page for such information and provide your personal comments on them. If the object is to provide information and help users to make decisions, it should help. Although you should do the SEO by yourself, if the information is somehow neutral and valuable, you can ask the @apachekafka Twitter (X) account to propagate it and provide a blog for Kafka blogs. This is the common way how third-party "evangelist" producing content and get it promoted. Best, tison. Matthias J. Sax 于2024年1月13日周六 07:35写道： François, thanks for starting this initiative. Personally, I don't think it's necessarily harmful for the project to add such a new page, however, I share the same concerns others raised already. I understand your motivation that people had issues finding commercial support, but I am not sure we can address this issue that way. I am also "worried" (for the lack of a better word) that the page might become long an unwieldy. In the end, any freelancer/consultant offering Kafka services would be able to get on the page, so we might get hundreds of entries, what also makes it impossible for users to find what they are looking for. Also, the services of different companies might vary drastically; should users read all these descriptions? I can also imagine that some companies offer their services only in some countries/regions making it even harder for user to find what they are looking for? Overall, it sounds more like a search optimization problem, and thus it seems out-of-scope what we can solve. As I said, I am not strictly against it, but I just don't see much value either. -Matthias On 1/11/24 12:55 PM, Francois Papon wrote: Hi Justine, You're right, Kafka is a part of my business (training, consulting, architecture design, sla...) and most of the time, users/customers said that it was hard for them to find a commercial support (in France for my case) after searching on the Kafka website (Google didn't help them). As an ASF member and PMC of several ASF projects, I know that this kind of page exist so this is why I made this proposal for the Kafka project because I really think that it can help users. As you suggest, I can submit a PR to be added on the "powered by" page. Thanks, François On 11/01/2024 21:00, Justine Olshan wrote: Hey François, My point was that the companies on that page use kafka as part of their business. If you use Kafka as part of your business feel free to submit a PR to be added. I second Chris's point that other projects are not enough to require Kafka having such a support page. Justine On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 11:57 AM Chris Egerton wrote: Hi François, Is it an official policy of the ASF that projects provide a listing of commercial support options for themselves? I understand that other projects have chosen to provide one, but this doesn't necessarily imply that all projects should do the same, and I can't say I find this point very convincing as a rebuttal to some of the good-faith concerns raised by the PMC and members of the community so far. However, if there's an official ASF stance on this topic, then I acknowledge that Apache Kafka should align with it. Best, Chris On Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 14:50 fpapon wrote: Hi Justine, I'm not sure to see the difference between "happy users" and vendors that advertise their products in some of the company list in the "powered by" page. Btw, my initial purpose of my proposal was to help user to find support for production stuff rather than searching in google. I don't think this is a bad thing because this is something that already exist in many ASF projects like: https://hop.apache.org/community/commercial/ https://struts.apache.org/commercial-support.html https://directory.apache.org/commercial-support.html https://tomee.apache.org/commercial-support.html https://plc4x.apache.org/users/commercial-support.html https://camel.apache.org/community/support/ https://openmeetings.apache.org/commercial-support.html https://guacamole.apache.org/support/ https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HADOOP2/Distributions+and+Commercial+Support https://activemq.apache.org/supporthttps://karaf.apache.org/community.html https://netbeans.apache.org/front/main/help/commercial-support/ https://royale.apache.org/royale-commercial-support/ https://karaf.apache.org/community.html As I understand for now, the channel for users to find production support is
Re: [PROPOSAL] Add commercial support page on website
Hi Matthias, Thank you for your feedback, it make sense. My proposal was to help user finding support but as you said, may be this is not the right way to address it. regards, François On 13/01/2024 00:34, Matthias J. Sax wrote: François, thanks for starting this initiative. Personally, I don't think it's necessarily harmful for the project to add such a new page, however, I share the same concerns others raised already. I understand your motivation that people had issues finding commercial support, but I am not sure we can address this issue that way. I am also "worried" (for the lack of a better word) that the page might become long an unwieldy. In the end, any freelancer/consultant offering Kafka services would be able to get on the page, so we might get hundreds of entries, what also makes it impossible for users to find what they are looking for. Also, the services of different companies might vary drastically; should users read all these descriptions? I can also imagine that some companies offer their services only in some countries/regions making it even harder for user to find what they are looking for? Overall, it sounds more like a search optimization problem, and thus it seems out-of-scope what we can solve. As I said, I am not strictly against it, but I just don't see much value either. -Matthias On 1/11/24 12:55 PM, Francois Papon wrote: Hi Justine, You're right, Kafka is a part of my business (training, consulting, architecture design, sla...) and most of the time, users/customers said that it was hard for them to find a commercial support (in France for my case) after searching on the Kafka website (Google didn't help them). As an ASF member and PMC of several ASF projects, I know that this kind of page exist so this is why I made this proposal for the Kafka project because I really think that it can help users. As you suggest, I can submit a PR to be added on the "powered by" page. Thanks, François On 11/01/2024 21:00, Justine Olshan wrote: Hey François, My point was that the companies on that page use kafka as part of their business. If you use Kafka as part of your business feel free to submit a PR to be added. I second Chris's point that other projects are not enough to require Kafka having such a support page. Justine On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 11:57 AM Chris Egerton wrote: Hi François, Is it an official policy of the ASF that projects provide a listing of commercial support options for themselves? I understand that other projects have chosen to provide one, but this doesn't necessarily imply that all projects should do the same, and I can't say I find this point very convincing as a rebuttal to some of the good-faith concerns raised by the PMC and members of the community so far. However, if there's an official ASF stance on this topic, then I acknowledge that Apache Kafka should align with it. Best, Chris On Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 14:50 fpapon wrote: Hi Justine, I'm not sure to see the difference between "happy users" and vendors that advertise their products in some of the company list in the "powered by" page. Btw, my initial purpose of my proposal was to help user to find support for production stuff rather than searching in google. I don't think this is a bad thing because this is something that already exist in many ASF projects like: https://hop.apache.org/community/commercial/ https://struts.apache.org/commercial-support.html https://directory.apache.org/commercial-support.html https://tomee.apache.org/commercial-support.html https://plc4x.apache.org/users/commercial-support.html https://camel.apache.org/community/support/ https://openmeetings.apache.org/commercial-support.html https://guacamole.apache.org/support/ https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HADOOP2/Distributions+and+Commercial+Support https://activemq.apache.org/supporthttps://karaf.apache.org/community.html https://netbeans.apache.org/front/main/help/commercial-support/ https://royale.apache.org/royale-commercial-support/ https://karaf.apache.org/community.html As I understand for now, the channel for users to find production support is: - The mailing list (u...@kafka.apache.org / dev@kafka.apache.org) - The official #kafka ASF Slack channel (may be we can add it on the website because I didn't find it in the website => https://kafka.apache.org/contact) - Search in google for commercial support only I can update my PR to mention only the 3 points above for the "get support" page if people think that having a support page make sense. regards, François On 11/01/2024 19:34, Justine Olshan wrote: I think there is a difference between the "Powered by" page and a page for vendors to advertise their products and services. The idea is that the companies on that page are "powered by" Kafka. They serve as examples of happy users of Kafka. I don't
Re: [PROPOSAL] Add commercial support page on website
FWIW - even if it's rejected by the Kafka PMC, you can maintain your own page for such information and provide your personal comments on them. If the object is to provide information and help users to make decisions, it should help. Although you should do the SEO by yourself, if the information is somehow neutral and valuable, you can ask the @apachekafka Twitter (X) account to propagate it and provide a blog for Kafka blogs. This is the common way how third-party "evangelist" producing content and get it promoted. Best, tison. Matthias J. Sax 于2024年1月13日周六 07:35写道： > > François, > > thanks for starting this initiative. Personally, I don't think it's > necessarily harmful for the project to add such a new page, however, I > share the same concerns others raised already. > > I understand your motivation that people had issues finding commercial > support, but I am not sure we can address this issue that way. I am also > "worried" (for the lack of a better word) that the page might become > long an unwieldy. In the end, any freelancer/consultant offering Kafka > services would be able to get on the page, so we might get hundreds of > entries, what also makes it impossible for users to find what they are > looking for. Also, the services of different companies might vary > drastically; should users read all these descriptions? I can also > imagine that some companies offer their services only in some > countries/regions making it even harder for user to find what they are > looking for? > > Overall, it sounds more like a search optimization problem, and thus it > seems out-of-scope what we can solve. As I said, I am not strictly > against it, but I just don't see much value either. > > > -Matthias > > On 1/11/24 12:55 PM, Francois Papon wrote: > > Hi Justine, > > > > You're right, Kafka is a part of my business (training, consulting, > > architecture design, sla...) and most of the time, users/customers said > > that it was hard for them to find a commercial support (in France for my > > case) after searching on the Kafka website (Google didn't help them). > > > > As an ASF member and PMC of several ASF projects, I know that this kind > > of page exist so this is why I made this proposal for the Kafka project > > because I really think that it can help users. > > > > As you suggest, I can submit a PR to be added on the "powered by" page. > > > > Thanks, > > > > François > > > > On 11/01/2024 21:00, Justine Olshan wrote: > >> Hey François, > >> > >> My point was that the companies on that page use kafka as part of their > >> business. If you use Kafka as part of your business feel free to submit a > >> PR to be added. > >> > >> I second Chris's point that other projects are not enough to require > >> Kafka > >> having such a support page. > >> > >> Justine > >> > >> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 11:57 AM Chris Egerton > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi François, > >>> > >>> Is it an official policy of the ASF that projects provide a listing of > >>> commercial support options for themselves? I understand that other > >>> projects > >>> have chosen to provide one, but this doesn't necessarily imply that all > >>> projects should do the same, and I can't say I find this point very > >>> convincing as a rebuttal to some of the good-faith concerns raised by > >>> the > >>> PMC and members of the community so far. However, if there's an official > >>> ASF stance on this topic, then I acknowledge that Apache Kafka should > >>> align > >>> with it. > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> > >>> Chris > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 14:50 fpapon wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi Justine, > >>>> > >>>> I'm not sure to see the difference between "happy users" and vendors > >>>> that advertise their products in some of the company list in the > >>>> "powered by" page. > >>>> > >>>> Btw, my initial purpose of my proposal was to help user to find support > >>>> for production stuff rather than searching in google. > >>>> > >>>> I don't think this is a bad thing because this is something that > >>>> already > >>>> exist in many ASF projects like: > >>>> > >>>> https://hop.apache.org/community/commercial/ > >>>> https
Re: [PROPOSAL] Add commercial support page on website
François, thanks for starting this initiative. Personally, I don't think it's necessarily harmful for the project to add such a new page, however, I share the same concerns others raised already. I understand your motivation that people had issues finding commercial support, but I am not sure we can address this issue that way. I am also "worried" (for the lack of a better word) that the page might become long an unwieldy. In the end, any freelancer/consultant offering Kafka services would be able to get on the page, so we might get hundreds of entries, what also makes it impossible for users to find what they are looking for. Also, the services of different companies might vary drastically; should users read all these descriptions? I can also imagine that some companies offer their services only in some countries/regions making it even harder for user to find what they are looking for? Overall, it sounds more like a search optimization problem, and thus it seems out-of-scope what we can solve. As I said, I am not strictly against it, but I just don't see much value either. -Matthias On 1/11/24 12:55 PM, Francois Papon wrote: Hi Justine, You're right, Kafka is a part of my business (training, consulting, architecture design, sla...) and most of the time, users/customers said that it was hard for them to find a commercial support (in France for my case) after searching on the Kafka website (Google didn't help them). As an ASF member and PMC of several ASF projects, I know that this kind of page exist so this is why I made this proposal for the Kafka project because I really think that it can help users. As you suggest, I can submit a PR to be added on the "powered by" page. Thanks, François On 11/01/2024 21:00, Justine Olshan wrote: Hey François, My point was that the companies on that page use kafka as part of their business. If you use Kafka as part of your business feel free to submit a PR to be added. I second Chris's point that other projects are not enough to require Kafka having such a support page. Justine On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 11:57 AM Chris Egerton wrote: Hi François, Is it an official policy of the ASF that projects provide a listing of commercial support options for themselves? I understand that other projects have chosen to provide one, but this doesn't necessarily imply that all projects should do the same, and I can't say I find this point very convincing as a rebuttal to some of the good-faith concerns raised by the PMC and members of the community so far. However, if there's an official ASF stance on this topic, then I acknowledge that Apache Kafka should align with it. Best, Chris On Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 14:50 fpapon wrote: Hi Justine, I'm not sure to see the difference between "happy users" and vendors that advertise their products in some of the company list in the "powered by" page. Btw, my initial purpose of my proposal was to help user to find support for production stuff rather than searching in google. I don't think this is a bad thing because this is something that already exist in many ASF projects like: https://hop.apache.org/community/commercial/ https://struts.apache.org/commercial-support.html https://directory.apache.org/commercial-support.html https://tomee.apache.org/commercial-support.html https://plc4x.apache.org/users/commercial-support.html https://camel.apache.org/community/support/ https://openmeetings.apache.org/commercial-support.html https://guacamole.apache.org/support/ https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HADOOP2/Distributions+and+Commercial+Support https://activemq.apache.org/supporthttps://karaf.apache.org/community.html https://netbeans.apache.org/front/main/help/commercial-support/ https://royale.apache.org/royale-commercial-support/ https://karaf.apache.org/community.html As I understand for now, the channel for users to find production support is: - The mailing list (u...@kafka.apache.org / dev@kafka.apache.org) - The official #kafka ASF Slack channel (may be we can add it on the website because I didn't find it in the website => https://kafka.apache.org/contact) - Search in google for commercial support only I can update my PR to mention only the 3 points above for the "get support" page if people think that having a support page make sense. regards, François On 11/01/2024 19:34, Justine Olshan wrote: I think there is a difference between the "Powered by" page and a page for vendors to advertise their products and services. The idea is that the companies on that page are "powered by" Kafka. They serve as examples of happy users of Kafka. I don't think it is meant only as a place just for those companies to advertise. I'm a little confused by In this case, I'm ok to say that the commercial support section in the "Get support" is no need as we can use this page. If you plan to
Re: [PROPOSAL] Add commercial support page on website
Hi Justine, You're right, Kafka is a part of my business (training, consulting, architecture design, sla...) and most of the time, users/customers said that it was hard for them to find a commercial support (in France for my case) after searching on the Kafka website (Google didn't help them). As an ASF member and PMC of several ASF projects, I know that this kind of page exist so this is why I made this proposal for the Kafka project because I really think that it can help users. As you suggest, I can submit a PR to be added on the "powered by" page. Thanks, François On 11/01/2024 21:00, Justine Olshan wrote: Hey François, My point was that the companies on that page use kafka as part of their business. If you use Kafka as part of your business feel free to submit a PR to be added. I second Chris's point that other projects are not enough to require Kafka having such a support page. Justine On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 11:57 AM Chris Egerton wrote: Hi François, Is it an official policy of the ASF that projects provide a listing of commercial support options for themselves? I understand that other projects have chosen to provide one, but this doesn't necessarily imply that all projects should do the same, and I can't say I find this point very convincing as a rebuttal to some of the good-faith concerns raised by the PMC and members of the community so far. However, if there's an official ASF stance on this topic, then I acknowledge that Apache Kafka should align with it. Best, Chris On Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 14:50 fpapon wrote: Hi Justine, I'm not sure to see the difference between "happy users" and vendors that advertise their products in some of the company list in the "powered by" page. Btw, my initial purpose of my proposal was to help user to find support for production stuff rather than searching in google. I don't think this is a bad thing because this is something that already exist in many ASF projects like: https://hop.apache.org/community/commercial/ https://struts.apache.org/commercial-support.html https://directory.apache.org/commercial-support.html https://tomee.apache.org/commercial-support.html https://plc4x.apache.org/users/commercial-support.html https://camel.apache.org/community/support/ https://openmeetings.apache.org/commercial-support.html https://guacamole.apache.org/support/ https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HADOOP2/Distributions+and+Commercial+Support https://activemq.apache.org/supporthttps://karaf.apache.org/community.html https://netbeans.apache.org/front/main/help/commercial-support/ https://royale.apache.org/royale-commercial-support/ https://karaf.apache.org/community.html As I understand for now, the channel for users to find production support is: - The mailing list (u...@kafka.apache.org / dev@kafka.apache.org) - The official #kafka ASF Slack channel (may be we can add it on the website because I didn't find it in the website => https://kafka.apache.org/contact) - Search in google for commercial support only I can update my PR to mention only the 3 points above for the "get support" page if people think that having a support page make sense. regards, François On 11/01/2024 19:34, Justine Olshan wrote: I think there is a difference between the "Powered by" page and a page for vendors to advertise their products and services. The idea is that the companies on that page are "powered by" Kafka. They serve as examples of happy users of Kafka. I don't think it is meant only as a place just for those companies to advertise. I'm a little confused by In this case, I'm ok to say that the commercial support section in the "Get support" is no need as we can use this page. If you plan to submit for this page, please include a description on how your company uses Kafka. I'm happy to hear other folks' opinions on this page as well. Thanks, Justine On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 8:57 AM fpapon wrote: Hi, About the vendors list and neutrality, what is the policy of the "Powered by" page? https://kafka.apache.org/powered-by We can see company with logo, some are talking about their product (Agoora), some are offering services (Instaclustr, Aiven), and we can also see some that just put their logo and a link to their website without any explanation (GoldmanSachs). So as I understand and after reading the text in the footer of this page, every company can add themselves by providing a PR right? "Want to appear on this page? Submit a pull request or send a quick description of your organization and usage to the mailing list and we'll add you." In this case, I'm ok to say that the commercial support section in the "Get support" is no need as we can use this page. regards, François On 10/01/2024 19:03, Kenneth Eversole wrote: I agree with Divji here and to be more pointed. I worry that if we go down the path of add
Re: [PROPOSAL] Add commercial support page on website
Hi Chris, I never said that the Apache Kafka community "has to" provide this kind of page and it's not an official policy of the ASF. I just listed other projects to show that this is something that already exist so this is potentially something that could be good for the community of an ASF project. My proposal is just to help the project to growth and to help users to find production support because this is not the purpose of the ASF. If the PMC and members of the community are not agree and think this is a bad thing for the project, I'm ok with that and I will close my PR. regards, François On 11/01/2024 20:56, Chris Egerton wrote: Hi François, Is it an official policy of the ASF that projects provide a listing of commercial support options for themselves? I understand that other projects have chosen to provide one, but this doesn't necessarily imply that all projects should do the same, and I can't say I find this point very convincing as a rebuttal to some of the good-faith concerns raised by the PMC and members of the community so far. However, if there's an official ASF stance on this topic, then I acknowledge that Apache Kafka should align with it. Best, Chris On Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 14:50 fpapon wrote: Hi Justine, I'm not sure to see the difference between "happy users" and vendors that advertise their products in some of the company list in the "powered by" page. Btw, my initial purpose of my proposal was to help user to find support for production stuff rather than searching in google. I don't think this is a bad thing because this is something that already exist in many ASF projects like: https://hop.apache.org/community/commercial/ https://struts.apache.org/commercial-support.html https://directory.apache.org/commercial-support.html https://tomee.apache.org/commercial-support.html https://plc4x.apache.org/users/commercial-support.html https://camel.apache.org/community/support/ https://openmeetings.apache.org/commercial-support.html https://guacamole.apache.org/support/ https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HADOOP2/Distributions+and+Commercial+Support https://activemq.apache.org/supporthttps://karaf.apache.org/community.html https://netbeans.apache.org/front/main/help/commercial-support/ https://royale.apache.org/royale-commercial-support/ https://karaf.apache.org/community.html As I understand for now, the channel for users to find production support is: - The mailing list (u...@kafka.apache.org / dev@kafka.apache.org) - The official #kafka ASF Slack channel (may be we can add it on the website because I didn't find it in the website => https://kafka.apache.org/contact) - Search in google for commercial support only I can update my PR to mention only the 3 points above for the "get support" page if people think that having a support page make sense. regards, François On 11/01/2024 19:34, Justine Olshan wrote: I think there is a difference between the "Powered by" page and a page for vendors to advertise their products and services. The idea is that the companies on that page are "powered by" Kafka. They serve as examples of happy users of Kafka. I don't think it is meant only as a place just for those companies to advertise. I'm a little confused by In this case, I'm ok to say that the commercial support section in the "Get support" is no need as we can use this page. If you plan to submit for this page, please include a description on how your company uses Kafka. I'm happy to hear other folks' opinions on this page as well. Thanks, Justine On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 8:57 AM fpapon wrote: Hi, About the vendors list and neutrality, what is the policy of the "Powered by" page? https://kafka.apache.org/powered-by We can see company with logo, some are talking about their product (Agoora), some are offering services (Instaclustr, Aiven), and we can also see some that just put their logo and a link to their website without any explanation (GoldmanSachs). So as I understand and after reading the text in the footer of this page, every company can add themselves by providing a PR right? "Want to appear on this page? Submit a pull request or send a quick description of your organization and usage to the mailing list and we'll add you." In this case, I'm ok to say that the commercial support section in the "Get support" is no need as we can use this page. regards, François On 10/01/2024 19:03, Kenneth Eversole wrote: I agree with Divji here and to be more pointed. I worry that if we go down the path of adding vendors to a list it comes off as supporting their product, not to mention could be a huge security risk for novice users. I would rather this be a callout to other purely open source tooling, such as cruise control. Divji brings up good question 1. What value does additional of this page bring to the user
Re: [PROPOSAL] Add commercial support page on website
Hey François, My point was that the companies on that page use kafka as part of their business. If you use Kafka as part of your business feel free to submit a PR to be added. I second Chris's point that other projects are not enough to require Kafka having such a support page. Justine On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 11:57 AM Chris Egerton wrote: > Hi François, > > Is it an official policy of the ASF that projects provide a listing of > commercial support options for themselves? I understand that other projects > have chosen to provide one, but this doesn't necessarily imply that all > projects should do the same, and I can't say I find this point very > convincing as a rebuttal to some of the good-faith concerns raised by the > PMC and members of the community so far. However, if there's an official > ASF stance on this topic, then I acknowledge that Apache Kafka should align > with it. > > Best, > > Chris > > > On Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 14:50 fpapon wrote: > > > Hi Justine, > > > > I'm not sure to see the difference between "happy users" and vendors > > that advertise their products in some of the company list in the > > "powered by" page. > > > > Btw, my initial purpose of my proposal was to help user to find support > > for production stuff rather than searching in google. > > > > I don't think this is a bad thing because this is something that already > > exist in many ASF projects like: > > > > https://hop.apache.org/community/commercial/ > > https://struts.apache.org/commercial-support.html > > https://directory.apache.org/commercial-support.html > > https://tomee.apache.org/commercial-support.html > > https://plc4x.apache.org/users/commercial-support.html > > https://camel.apache.org/community/support/ > > https://openmeetings.apache.org/commercial-support.html > > https://guacamole.apache.org/support/ > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HADOOP2/Distributions+and+Commercial+Support > > > https://activemq.apache.org/supporthttps://karaf.apache.org/community.html > > https://netbeans.apache.org/front/main/help/commercial-support/ > > https://royale.apache.org/royale-commercial-support/ > > > > https://karaf.apache.org/community.html > > > > As I understand for now, the channel for users to find production > > support is: > > > > - The mailing list (u...@kafka.apache.org / dev@kafka.apache.org) > > > > - The official #kafka ASF Slack channel (may be we can add it on the > > website because I didn't find it in the website => > > https://kafka.apache.org/contact) > > > > - Search in google for commercial support only > > > > I can update my PR to mention only the 3 points above for the "get > > support" page if people think that having a support page make sense. > > > > regards, > > > > François > > > > On 11/01/2024 19:34, Justine Olshan wrote: > > > I think there is a difference between the "Powered by" page and a page > > for > > > vendors to advertise their products and services. > > > > > > The idea is that the companies on that page are "powered by" Kafka. > They > > > serve as examples of happy users of Kafka. > > > I don't think it is meant only as a place just for those companies to > > > advertise. > > > > > > I'm a little confused by > > > > > >> In this case, I'm ok to say that the commercial support section in the > > > "Get support" is no need as we can use this page. > > > > > > If you plan to submit for this page, please include a description on > how > > > your company uses Kafka. > > > > > > I'm happy to hear other folks' opinions on this page as well. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Justine > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 8:57 AM fpapon wrote: > > > > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> About the vendors list and neutrality, what is the policy of the > > >> "Powered by" page? > > >> > > >> https://kafka.apache.org/powered-by > > >> > > >> We can see company with logo, some are talking about their product > > >> (Agoora), some are offering services (Instaclustr, Aiven), and we can > > >> also see some that just put their logo and a link to their website > > >> without any explanation (GoldmanSachs). > > >> > > >> So as I understand and after reading the text in the footer of
Re: [PROPOSAL] Add commercial support page on website
Hi François, Is it an official policy of the ASF that projects provide a listing of commercial support options for themselves? I understand that other projects have chosen to provide one, but this doesn't necessarily imply that all projects should do the same, and I can't say I find this point very convincing as a rebuttal to some of the good-faith concerns raised by the PMC and members of the community so far. However, if there's an official ASF stance on this topic, then I acknowledge that Apache Kafka should align with it. Best, Chris On Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 14:50 fpapon wrote: > Hi Justine, > > I'm not sure to see the difference between "happy users" and vendors > that advertise their products in some of the company list in the > "powered by" page. > > Btw, my initial purpose of my proposal was to help user to find support > for production stuff rather than searching in google. > > I don't think this is a bad thing because this is something that already > exist in many ASF projects like: > > https://hop.apache.org/community/commercial/ > https://struts.apache.org/commercial-support.html > https://directory.apache.org/commercial-support.html > https://tomee.apache.org/commercial-support.html > https://plc4x.apache.org/users/commercial-support.html > https://camel.apache.org/community/support/ > https://openmeetings.apache.org/commercial-support.html > https://guacamole.apache.org/support/ > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HADOOP2/Distributions+and+Commercial+Support > https://activemq.apache.org/supporthttps://karaf.apache.org/community.html > https://netbeans.apache.org/front/main/help/commercial-support/ > https://royale.apache.org/royale-commercial-support/ > > https://karaf.apache.org/community.html > > As I understand for now, the channel for users to find production > support is: > > - The mailing list (u...@kafka.apache.org / dev@kafka.apache.org) > > - The official #kafka ASF Slack channel (may be we can add it on the > website because I didn't find it in the website => > https://kafka.apache.org/contact) > > - Search in google for commercial support only > > I can update my PR to mention only the 3 points above for the "get > support" page if people think that having a support page make sense. > > regards, > > François > > On 11/01/2024 19:34, Justine Olshan wrote: > > I think there is a difference between the "Powered by" page and a page > for > > vendors to advertise their products and services. > > > > The idea is that the companies on that page are "powered by" Kafka. They > > serve as examples of happy users of Kafka. > > I don't think it is meant only as a place just for those companies to > > advertise. > > > > I'm a little confused by > > > >> In this case, I'm ok to say that the commercial support section in the > > "Get support" is no need as we can use this page. > > > > If you plan to submit for this page, please include a description on how > > your company uses Kafka. > > > > I'm happy to hear other folks' opinions on this page as well. > > > > Thanks, > > Justine > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 8:57 AM fpapon wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> About the vendors list and neutrality, what is the policy of the > >> "Powered by" page? > >> > >> https://kafka.apache.org/powered-by > >> > >> We can see company with logo, some are talking about their product > >> (Agoora), some are offering services (Instaclustr, Aiven), and we can > >> also see some that just put their logo and a link to their website > >> without any explanation (GoldmanSachs). > >> > >> So as I understand and after reading the text in the footer of this > >> page, every company can add themselves by providing a PR right? > >> > >> "Want to appear on this page? > >> Submit a pull request or send a quick description of your organization > >> and usage to the mailing list and we'll add you." > >> > >> In this case, I'm ok to say that the commercial support section in the > >> "Get support" is no need as we can use this page. > >> > >> regards, > >> > >> François > >> > >> > >> On 10/01/2024 19:03, Kenneth Eversole wrote: > >>> I agree with Divji here and to be more pointed. I worry that if we go > >> down > >>> the path of adding vendors to a list it comes off as supporting their > >>> product, not to mention could be a
Re: [PROPOSAL] Add commercial support page on website
Hi Justine, I'm not sure to see the difference between "happy users" and vendors that advertise their products in some of the company list in the "powered by" page. Btw, my initial purpose of my proposal was to help user to find support for production stuff rather than searching in google. I don't think this is a bad thing because this is something that already exist in many ASF projects like: https://hop.apache.org/community/commercial/ https://struts.apache.org/commercial-support.html https://directory.apache.org/commercial-support.html https://tomee.apache.org/commercial-support.html https://plc4x.apache.org/users/commercial-support.html https://camel.apache.org/community/support/ https://openmeetings.apache.org/commercial-support.html https://guacamole.apache.org/support/ https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HADOOP2/Distributions+and+Commercial+Support https://activemq.apache.org/supporthttps://karaf.apache.org/community.html https://netbeans.apache.org/front/main/help/commercial-support/ https://royale.apache.org/royale-commercial-support/ https://karaf.apache.org/community.html As I understand for now, the channel for users to find production support is: - The mailing list (u...@kafka.apache.org / dev@kafka.apache.org) - The official #kafka ASF Slack channel (may be we can add it on the website because I didn't find it in the website => https://kafka.apache.org/contact) - Search in google for commercial support only I can update my PR to mention only the 3 points above for the "get support" page if people think that having a support page make sense. regards, François On 11/01/2024 19:34, Justine Olshan wrote: I think there is a difference between the "Powered by" page and a page for vendors to advertise their products and services. The idea is that the companies on that page are "powered by" Kafka. They serve as examples of happy users of Kafka. I don't think it is meant only as a place just for those companies to advertise. I'm a little confused by In this case, I'm ok to say that the commercial support section in the "Get support" is no need as we can use this page. If you plan to submit for this page, please include a description on how your company uses Kafka. I'm happy to hear other folks' opinions on this page as well. Thanks, Justine On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 8:57 AM fpapon wrote: Hi, About the vendors list and neutrality, what is the policy of the "Powered by" page? https://kafka.apache.org/powered-by We can see company with logo, some are talking about their product (Agoora), some are offering services (Instaclustr, Aiven), and we can also see some that just put their logo and a link to their website without any explanation (GoldmanSachs). So as I understand and after reading the text in the footer of this page, every company can add themselves by providing a PR right? "Want to appear on this page? Submit a pull request or send a quick description of your organization and usage to the mailing list and we'll add you." In this case, I'm ok to say that the commercial support section in the "Get support" is no need as we can use this page. regards, François On 10/01/2024 19:03, Kenneth Eversole wrote: I agree with Divji here and to be more pointed. I worry that if we go down the path of adding vendors to a list it comes off as supporting their product, not to mention could be a huge security risk for novice users. I would rather this be a callout to other purely open source tooling, such as cruise control. Divji brings up good question 1. What value does additional of this page bring to the users of Apache Kafka? I think the community would be a better service to have a more synchronous line of communication such as Slack/Discord and we call that out here. It would be more inline with other major open source projects. --- Kenneth Eversole On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 10:30 AM Divij Vaidya wrote: I don't see a need for this. What additional information does this provide over what can be found via a quick google search? My primary concern is that we are getting in the business of listing vendors in the project site which brings it's own complications without adding much additional value for users. In the spirit of being vendor neutral, I would try to avoid this as much as possible. So, my question to you is: 1. What value does additional of this page bring to the users of Apache Kafka? 2. When a new PR is submitted to add a vendor, what criteria do we have to decide whether to add them or not? If we keep a blanket criteria of accepting all PRs, then we may end up in a situation where the llink redirects to a phishing page or nefarious website. Hence, we might have to at least perform some basic due diligence which adds overhead to the resources of the community. -- Divij Vaidya On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 5:00 PM fpapon
Re: [PROPOSAL] Add commercial support page on website
I think there is a difference between the "Powered by" page and a page for vendors to advertise their products and services. The idea is that the companies on that page are "powered by" Kafka. They serve as examples of happy users of Kafka. I don't think it is meant only as a place just for those companies to advertise. I'm a little confused by > In this case, I'm ok to say that the commercial support section in the "Get support" is no need as we can use this page. If you plan to submit for this page, please include a description on how your company uses Kafka. I'm happy to hear other folks' opinions on this page as well. Thanks, Justine On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 8:57 AM fpapon wrote: > Hi, > > About the vendors list and neutrality, what is the policy of the > "Powered by" page? > > https://kafka.apache.org/powered-by > > We can see company with logo, some are talking about their product > (Agoora), some are offering services (Instaclustr, Aiven), and we can > also see some that just put their logo and a link to their website > without any explanation (GoldmanSachs). > > So as I understand and after reading the text in the footer of this > page, every company can add themselves by providing a PR right? > > "Want to appear on this page? > Submit a pull request or send a quick description of your organization > and usage to the mailing list and we'll add you." > > In this case, I'm ok to say that the commercial support section in the > "Get support" is no need as we can use this page. > > regards, > > François > > > On 10/01/2024 19:03, Kenneth Eversole wrote: > > I agree with Divji here and to be more pointed. I worry that if we go > down > > the path of adding vendors to a list it comes off as supporting their > > product, not to mention could be a huge security risk for novice users. I > > would rather this be a callout to other purely open source tooling, such > as > > cruise control. > > > > Divji brings up good question > > 1. What value does additional of this page bring to the users of Apache > > Kafka? > > > > I think the community would be a better service to have a more > synchronous > > line of communication such as Slack/Discord and we call that out here. It > > would be more inline with other major open source projects. > > > > --- > > Kenneth Eversole > > > > On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 10:30 AM Divij Vaidya > > wrote: > > > >> I don't see a need for this. What additional information does this > provide > >> over what can be found via a quick google search? > >> > >> My primary concern is that we are getting in the business of listing > >> vendors in the project site which brings it's own complications without > >> adding much additional value for users. In the spirit of being vendor > >> neutral, I would try to avoid this as much as possible. > >> > >> So, my question to you is: > >> 1. What value does additional of this page bring to the users of Apache > >> Kafka? > >> 2. When a new PR is submitted to add a vendor, what criteria do we have > to > >> decide whether to add them or not? If we keep a blanket criteria of > >> accepting all PRs, then we may end up in a situation where the llink > >> redirects to a phishing page or nefarious website. Hence, we might have > to > >> at least perform some basic due diligence which adds overhead to the > >> resources of the community. > >> > >> -- > >> Divij Vaidya > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 5:00 PM fpapon wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> After starting a first thread on this topic ( > >>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/kkox33rhtjcdr5zztq3lzj7c5s7k9wsr), I > >>> would like to propose a PR: > >>> > >>> https://github.com/apache/kafka-site/pull/577 > >>> > >>> The purpose of this proposal is to help users to find support for sla, > >>> training, consulting...whatever that is not provide by the community > as, > >>> like we can already see in many ASF projects, no commercial support is > >>> provided by the foundation. I think it could help with the adoption and > >> the > >>> growth of the project because the users > >>> need commercial support for production issues. > >>> > >>> If the community is agree about this idea and want to move forward, I > >> just > >>> add one company in the PR but everybody can add some by providing a new > >> PR > >>> to complete the list. If people want me to add other you can reply to > >> this > >>> thread because it will be better to have several company at the first > >>> publication of the page. > >>> > >>> Just provide the company-name and a short description of the service > >> offer > >>> around Apache Kafka. The information must be factual and informational > in > >>> nature and not be a marketing statement. > >>> > >>> regards, > >>> > >>> François > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- > -- > François > >
Re: [PROPOSAL] Add commercial support page on website
Hi, About the vendors list and neutrality, what is the policy of the "Powered by" page? https://kafka.apache.org/powered-by We can see company with logo, some are talking about their product (Agoora), some are offering services (Instaclustr, Aiven), and we can also see some that just put their logo and a link to their website without any explanation (GoldmanSachs). So as I understand and after reading the text in the footer of this page, every company can add themselves by providing a PR right? "Want to appear on this page? Submit a pull request or send a quick description of your organization and usage to the mailing list and we'll add you." In this case, I'm ok to say that the commercial support section in the "Get support" is no need as we can use this page. regards, François On 10/01/2024 19:03, Kenneth Eversole wrote: I agree with Divji here and to be more pointed. I worry that if we go down the path of adding vendors to a list it comes off as supporting their product, not to mention could be a huge security risk for novice users. I would rather this be a callout to other purely open source tooling, such as cruise control. Divji brings up good question 1. What value does additional of this page bring to the users of Apache Kafka? I think the community would be a better service to have a more synchronous line of communication such as Slack/Discord and we call that out here. It would be more inline with other major open source projects. --- Kenneth Eversole On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 10:30 AM Divij Vaidya wrote: I don't see a need for this. What additional information does this provide over what can be found via a quick google search? My primary concern is that we are getting in the business of listing vendors in the project site which brings it's own complications without adding much additional value for users. In the spirit of being vendor neutral, I would try to avoid this as much as possible. So, my question to you is: 1. What value does additional of this page bring to the users of Apache Kafka? 2. When a new PR is submitted to add a vendor, what criteria do we have to decide whether to add them or not? If we keep a blanket criteria of accepting all PRs, then we may end up in a situation where the llink redirects to a phishing page or nefarious website. Hence, we might have to at least perform some basic due diligence which adds overhead to the resources of the community. -- Divij Vaidya On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 5:00 PM fpapon wrote: Hi, After starting a first thread on this topic ( https://lists.apache.org/thread/kkox33rhtjcdr5zztq3lzj7c5s7k9wsr), I would like to propose a PR: https://github.com/apache/kafka-site/pull/577 The purpose of this proposal is to help users to find support for sla, training, consulting...whatever that is not provide by the community as, like we can already see in many ASF projects, no commercial support is provided by the foundation. I think it could help with the adoption and the growth of the project because the users need commercial support for production issues. If the community is agree about this idea and want to move forward, I just add one company in the PR but everybody can add some by providing a new PR to complete the list. If people want me to add other you can reply to this thread because it will be better to have several company at the first publication of the page. Just provide the company-name and a short description of the service offer around Apache Kafka. The information must be factual and informational in nature and not be a marketing statement. regards, François -- -- François
Re: [PROPOSAL] Add commercial support page on website
I agree with Divji here and to be more pointed. I worry that if we go down the path of adding vendors to a list it comes off as supporting their product, not to mention could be a huge security risk for novice users. I would rather this be a callout to other purely open source tooling, such as cruise control. Divji brings up good question 1. What value does additional of this page bring to the users of Apache Kafka? I think the community would be a better service to have a more synchronous line of communication such as Slack/Discord and we call that out here. It would be more inline with other major open source projects. --- Kenneth Eversole On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 10:30 AM Divij Vaidya wrote: > I don't see a need for this. What additional information does this provide > over what can be found via a quick google search? > > My primary concern is that we are getting in the business of listing > vendors in the project site which brings it's own complications without > adding much additional value for users. In the spirit of being vendor > neutral, I would try to avoid this as much as possible. > > So, my question to you is: > 1. What value does additional of this page bring to the users of Apache > Kafka? > 2. When a new PR is submitted to add a vendor, what criteria do we have to > decide whether to add them or not? If we keep a blanket criteria of > accepting all PRs, then we may end up in a situation where the llink > redirects to a phishing page or nefarious website. Hence, we might have to > at least perform some basic due diligence which adds overhead to the > resources of the community. > > -- > Divij Vaidya > > > > On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 5:00 PM fpapon wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > After starting a first thread on this topic ( > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/kkox33rhtjcdr5zztq3lzj7c5s7k9wsr), I > > would like to propose a PR: > > > > https://github.com/apache/kafka-site/pull/577 > > > > The purpose of this proposal is to help users to find support for sla, > > training, consulting...whatever that is not provide by the community as, > > like we can already see in many ASF projects, no commercial support is > > provided by the foundation. I think it could help with the adoption and > the > > growth of the project because the users > > need commercial support for production issues. > > > > If the community is agree about this idea and want to move forward, I > just > > add one company in the PR but everybody can add some by providing a new > PR > > to complete the list. If people want me to add other you can reply to > this > > thread because it will be better to have several company at the first > > publication of the page. > > > > Just provide the company-name and a short description of the service > offer > > around Apache Kafka. The information must be factual and informational in > > nature and not be a marketing statement. > > > > regards, > > > > François > > > > > > >
Re: [PROPOSAL] Add commercial support page on website
I don't see a need for this. What additional information does this provide over what can be found via a quick google search? My primary concern is that we are getting in the business of listing vendors in the project site which brings it's own complications without adding much additional value for users. In the spirit of being vendor neutral, I would try to avoid this as much as possible. So, my question to you is: 1. What value does additional of this page bring to the users of Apache Kafka? 2. When a new PR is submitted to add a vendor, what criteria do we have to decide whether to add them or not? If we keep a blanket criteria of accepting all PRs, then we may end up in a situation where the llink redirects to a phishing page or nefarious website. Hence, we might have to at least perform some basic due diligence which adds overhead to the resources of the community. -- Divij Vaidya On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 5:00 PM fpapon wrote: > Hi, > > After starting a first thread on this topic ( > https://lists.apache.org/thread/kkox33rhtjcdr5zztq3lzj7c5s7k9wsr), I > would like to propose a PR: > > https://github.com/apache/kafka-site/pull/577 > > The purpose of this proposal is to help users to find support for sla, > training, consulting...whatever that is not provide by the community as, > like we can already see in many ASF projects, no commercial support is > provided by the foundation. I think it could help with the adoption and the > growth of the project because the users > need commercial support for production issues. > > If the community is agree about this idea and want to move forward, I just > add one company in the PR but everybody can add some by providing a new PR > to complete the list. If people want me to add other you can reply to this > thread because it will be better to have several company at the first > publication of the page. > > Just provide the company-name and a short description of the service offer > around Apache Kafka. The information must be factual and informational in > nature and not be a marketing statement. > > regards, > > François > > >
[PROPOSAL] Add commercial support page on website
Hi, After starting a first thread on this topic (https://lists.apache.org/thread/kkox33rhtjcdr5zztq3lzj7c5s7k9wsr), I would like to propose a PR: https://github.com/apache/kafka-site/pull/577 The purpose of this proposal is to help users to find support for sla, training, consulting...whatever that is not provide by the community as, like we can already see in many ASF projects, no commercial support is provided by the foundation. I think it could help with the adoption and the growth of the project because the users need commercial support for production issues. If the community is agree about this idea and want to move forward, I just add one company in the PR but everybody can add some by providing a new PR to complete the list. If people want me to add other you can reply to this thread because it will be better to have several company at the first publication of the page. Just provide the company-name and a short description of the service offer around Apache Kafka. The information must be factual and informational in nature and not be a marketing statement. regards, François
Re: Commercial support
Hi Francois, I am not aware of such a page on the Apache Kafka website. There are a variety of companies that sell Kafka as a self-hosted platform or as a Cloud-hosted service. Those companies include Confluent (disclaimer: I work for them), Red Hat, AWS, Aiven, Instaclustr, Cloudera, and more. Best, Bruno On 28.09.22 10:38, fpapon wrote: Hi, I'm looking for a commercial support company page on the official website (https://kafka.apache.org) but I cannot find one. Is such of page exist? Regards, Francois
Commercial support
Hi, I'm looking for a commercial support company page on the official website (https://kafka.apache.org) but I cannot find one. Is such of page exist? Regards, Francois
New page request: Commercial support for Apache Kafka
Hi All, My company, Dattell <https://dattell.com/>, offers expert commercial support for Kafka, and we would like to make our support known to those in the Kafka community. Would you consider adding a Commercial Support page to the Kafka website so that users looking for help know where to find specialists? Both ActiveMQ <http://activemq.apache.org/support.html> and Camel <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CAMEL/Commercial+Camel+Offerings> have these type of Commercial Support pages on their websites, and I have heard from dozens of people that these pages are useful for finding help with installation, design, fail-and-fix, etc. If you do add a Commercial Support page, would you be willing to include Dattell <https://dattell.com/>in your list? I'm also in touch with another expert that specializes in Kafka support in the UK that could be a nice a complement, as well. I would be willing to do any leg work to make this happen. Let me know if I can help in any way. All the best, Maria -- Maria Angelella Hatfield, PhD Managing Partner Mobile: 570-704-7493 Website: dattell.com
