Re: Get thee to the Core...

2011-06-10 Thread Mark Struberg
We partly use slf4j internally already for tests, etc. But moving the whole Logger mess over to slf4j would be really great. There are lots of tests (I sadly also found productive code too) still using System.out.println. The question is if we (internally) drop

Re: [VOTE] Release Maven Plugin Tools Version 2.8

2011-06-10 Thread Olivier Lamy
+1 2011/6/9 Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com: Hi, We solved 5 issues: http://jira.codehaus.org/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=11139styleName=Htmlversion=17146 There are still a couple of issues left in JIRA:

Re: [VOTE] Release Maven Plugin Tools Version 2.8

2011-06-10 Thread Lukas Theussl
+1 -Lukas Stephen Connolly wrote: Hi, We solved 5 issues: http://jira.codehaus.org/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=11139styleName=Htmlversion=17146 There are still a couple of issues left in JIRA: http://jira.codehaus.org/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=truepid=11139status=1 Staging

Re: [VOTE] Release Maven Indexer version 4.1.1

2011-06-10 Thread Brian Demers
+1 (non-binding) On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Jesse Glick jesse.gl...@oracle.com wrote: Non-binding +1; no apparent problems in NetBeans integration during basic interactive tests. - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: [VOTE] Release Maven Indexer version 4.1.1

2011-06-10 Thread Mark Struberg
+1 (binding) LieGrue, strub --- On Fri, 6/10/11, Brian Demers brian.dem...@gmail.com wrote: From: Brian Demers brian.dem...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release Maven Indexer version 4.1.1 To: Maven Developers List dev@maven.apache.org Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 1:44 PM +1 (non-binding)

Re: Get thee to the Core...

2011-06-10 Thread John Casey
On 6/10/11 3:48 AM, Mark Struberg wrote: We partly use slf4j internally already for tests, etc. But moving the whole Logger mess over to slf4j would be really great. There are lots of tests (I sadly also found productive code too) still using System.out.println. The question is if we

Re: Get thee to the Core...

2011-06-10 Thread Stephen Connolly
personally, there are a number of issues I have had with how slf4j/logback handles message formatting for i18n... other than the logging frameworks I have rolled myself, slf4j is the closest I've seen to logging done right... but it is still a bit far off the right path... Oh logging why do you

Re: Get thee to the Core...

2011-06-10 Thread Stephen Connolly
lest anyone think I'm doing NIH, the logging frameworks I have implemented myself (they were under commercial license for previous employer) were less than perfect, but having seen my mistakes I think I have a better handle on the right path to take! On 10 June 2011 16:42, Stephen Connolly

Re: Get thee to the Core...

2011-06-10 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: but having seen my mistakes I think I have a better handle on the right path to take! Strange enough, that's almost definitely what Ceki Gülcü would say ... :-) -- Capitalism is the astounding belief

Re: Get thee to the Core...

2011-06-10 Thread Mark Struberg
the problem is: logging gets tricky once you have OSGIi or ThreadContextClassLoaders in place... So I'd favour slf4j. We don't need a 'perfect' solution - we just need something better than we had in place ;) LieGrue, strub --- On Fri, 6/10/11, Jochen Wiedmann jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [VOTE] Release Maven Indexer version 4.1.1

2011-06-10 Thread Olivier Lamy
+1 2011/6/9 Tamás Cservenák ta...@cservenak.net: Hi, Current 4.1.1 version is mostly bugfix release for latest 4.0.1 improving indexer robustness, lessen unnecessary IO burden and smaller POM fixes regarding site publishing. no staged one ? you will publish it after the release ? We solved

Re: [VOTE] Release Maven Indexer version 4.1.1

2011-06-10 Thread Damian Bradicich
+1 Damian

Julia Antonova/Tumlare is out of office.

2011-06-10 Thread Julia Antonova
I will be out of the office starting 10.06.2011 and will not return until 14.06.2011. I have no acces to my mailbox, I will reply to your message upon return. Thank you!

Re: Julia Antonova/Tumlare is out of office.

2011-06-10 Thread Stephen Connolly
can somebody update the wiki, I'm only on a phone - Stephen --- Sent from my Android phone, so random spelling mistakes, random nonsense words and other nonsense are a direct result of using swype to type on the screen On 10 Jun 2011 20:44, Julia Antonova juli...@jtbrussia.com wrote: I will be

Re: Julia Antonova/Tumlare is out of office.

2011-06-10 Thread Laird Nelson
God I love this meme. On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: can somebody update the wiki, I'm only on a phone - Stephen --- Sent from my Android phone, so random spelling mistakes, random nonsense words and other nonsense are a direct

Re: Get thee to the Core...

2011-06-10 Thread Evgeny Mandrikov
HI all, Just my 2 cents : Main problem with jumping into Maven core development is understanding of internal architecture and core parts. Also this affects development of plugins. Thus IMO improving this can definitely animate Maven ecosystem (Core, Core Plugins, Mojo, ...) in general. Another

Re: Get thee to the Core...

2011-06-10 Thread Dennis Lundberg
On 2011-06-09 23:45, Benson Margulies wrote: I'd like to offer a small suggestion. One of the big barriers to maven happiness is the difficulty of understanding, in some cases, why it does what it does. This suggests to me three efforts that might offer an opportunity to learn core code

Re: Julia Antonova/Tumlare is out of office.

2011-06-10 Thread Barrie Treloar
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 6:26 AM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: can somebody update the wiki, I'm only on a phone Updated. One day I will calculate the proper holidays instead of elapsed calendars days. It's a bit unfair to be jealous of inflated numbers because they

Re: Get thee to the Core...

2011-06-10 Thread Ralph Goers
I'm not sure what you are after John. Logback provides a formatter where you can do logger.debug(Hello, {}, John) and it will replace the curly braces with John. My Log4J 2.0 will do the same thing. MessageFormat is fairly slow, but if you wanted to use that instead my Log4J 2.0

Re: Get thee to the Core...

2011-06-10 Thread Ralph Goers
Actually, SLF4J's tie to Ceki's I18n project is one thing I really dislike. IMO, localization should be done at the last possible moment. If you really want an internationalized log then you should be logging message ids and data and then doing the localization in your log viewer, not as you

Re: Get thee to the Core...

2011-06-10 Thread Ralph Goers
SLF4J isn't a logging framework. It is an API. While Logback is much better than Log4J 1.x it still has significant architectural problems. Ralph On Jun 10, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Mark Struberg wrote: the problem is: logging gets tricky once you have OSGIi or ThreadContextClassLoaders in

Re: Get thee to the Core...

2011-06-10 Thread Ralph Goers
Well, I could use feedback on https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/logging/log4j/branches/BRANCH_2_0_EXPERIMENTAL/rgoers/ On Jun 10, 2011, at 8:43 AM, Stephen Connolly wrote: lest anyone think I'm doing NIH, the logging frameworks I have implemented myself (they were under commercial license for