Re: [native-lang] Re: [releases] Problem with QA tests and release of OOo 3.3.0

2010-10-17 Thread Caio Tiago Oliveira
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Lior Kaplan  wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Caio Tiago Oliveira wrote:
>
>> It would be better if OpenOffice.org as a product could benefit from
>> every changes made into LibreOffice. But due to SCA this is not
>> possible, since LibreOffice won't require any kind of shared copyright
>> assignment which would make it possible to TDF contribute back to OOo
>> after signing some kind of SCA with Oracle - neither it will require
>> individuals to sign a SCA with Oracle and submit there on their own
>> behalf.
>>
>
> I don't agree with you here...
>
> Without a copyright assignment, TDF isn't the owner of the code and can't
> sign anything about it.
> It is owned (though copyright) by the people who contribute to it. This is
> one of the ideas behind this change.

My english is not very good, but it's what I meant. TDF  won't require
either shared copyright assignment or someone signs SCA with Oracle.
So, by Oracle restrictions, will be impossible to integrate the code.

> Patched to the code are done under LGPLv3+, so everyone are welcome to use
> the code, but can't own it's copyrights to change the license and must
> comply to the restriction it mandates.
>
> Talking about oo.org, oracle could sell you the code coming from LO, but
> could not license it to costumers under a different license. It's up to
> Oracle to decide whether this is acceptable or not regarding their business
> dealing over Oracle open office and it's commercial license [1].

If Oracle wanted this, TDF wouldn't be born. If Oracle change its mind
and accept the code, we would only have  minor differences between
OpenOffice.org as a product and LibreOffice.
They would probably have less differences than between go-oo and OOo.
OOo would still being the common base and even with TDF around, that
would be the case of a foundation without a product,
or with a customized product based on OOo. Every change made would be
ported back to OOo easily.

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Re: [native-lang] Re: [releases] Problem with QA tests and release of OOo 3.3.0

2010-10-17 Thread Lior Kaplan
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Caio Tiago Oliveira wrote:

> It would be better if OpenOffice.org as a product could benefit from
> every changes made into LibreOffice. But due to SCA this is not
> possible, since LibreOffice won't require any kind of shared copyright
> assignment which would make it possible to TDF contribute back to OOo
> after signing some kind of SCA with Oracle - neither it will require
> individuals to sign a SCA with Oracle and submit there on their own
> behalf.
>

I don't agree with you here...

Without a copyright assignment, TDF isn't the owner of the code and can't
sign anything about it.
It is owned (though copyright) by the people who contribute to it. This is
one of the ideas behind this change.

Patched to the code are done under LGPLv3+, so everyone are welcome to use
the code, but can't own it's copyrights to change the license and must
comply to the restriction it mandates.

Talking about oo.org, oracle could sell you the code coming from LO, but
could not license it to costumers under a different license. It's up to
Oracle to decide whether this is acceptable or not regarding their business
dealing over Oracle open office and it's commercial license [1].

http://www.oracle.com/us/products/applications/open-office/open-office-170241.html

Kaplan