AW: Usability study was: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI

2018-04-05 Thread toni.epple
Hi, Working on solving these issues. I've created a PR to change the category and description as proposed here. I'm also trying to improve the "first contact" when somebody tries the wizard out of curiosity without knowing about the API. When the freshly created application is running it now c

Re: Usability study was: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI

2018-04-05 Thread Neil C Smith
Hi Toni, On Thu, 5 Apr 2018 at 09:59 wrote: > Working on solving these issues. I've created a PR to change the category > and description as proposed here. I'm also trying to improve the "first > contact" when somebody tries the wizard out of curiosity without knowing > about the API. When the f

AW: Usability study was: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI

2018-04-05 Thread toni.epple
Hi Neil, on platforms without javafx the project needs to be created using the maven -> Create from archetype wizard, as the regular wizard won't run here. We already discussed, that we'll need to replace that presenter with jcef/chromium or something similar, especially with the removal of JFX

Re: Usability study was: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI

2018-04-05 Thread Neil C Smith
On Thu, 5 Apr 2018 at 11:55 wrote: > on platforms without javafx the project needs to be created using the > maven -> Create from archetype wizard, as the regular wizard won't run > here. > So, is the HTML-based wizard hidden or does it redirect somewhere else? Sorry if I'm being clueless here.

How/where exactly to host the NBMs for the 9.0 release

2018-04-05 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Hi all, We need to nail down this one and I think the key blocker is that there are different ideas about what this is about: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-330 The above is not about the Plugin Portal. If I understand it correctly, this is about where the NBMs (which ones? how

AW: How/where exactly to host the NBMs for the 9.0 release

2018-04-05 Thread Christian Lenz
IMHO, it could be possible to host the NBM on the github mirror inside Releases and the Apache.netbeans.org page, where we can find the Downloads, can Point to it. Only my opinion. Cheers Chris Von: Geertjan Wielenga Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. April 2018 14:38 An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.

Re: How/where exactly to host the NBMs for the 9.0 release

2018-04-05 Thread Jiří Kovalský
I am afraid that VM hosting Synergy won't survive such a load (~3TB/month) once we release 9.0 to public. -Jirka Dne 5.4.2018 v 14:38 Geertjan Wielenga napsal(a): Hi all, We need to nail down this one and I think the key blocker is that there are different ideas about what this is about: ht

Re: How/where exactly to host the NBMs for the 9.0 release

2018-04-05 Thread Enrico Olivelli
Do releases of NBM files follow usual Apache release flow? If they are artifacts 'released' by this Apache Project they could go to dist.apache.org and to Apache mirrors. Just my two cents Enrico Il gio 5 apr 2018, 14:50 Jiří Kovalský ha scritto: > I am afraid that VM hosting Synergy won't surv

Re: How/where exactly to host the NBMs for the 9.0 release

2018-04-05 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 2:50 PM, Jiří Kovalský wrote: > I am afraid that VM hosting Synergy won't survive such a load (~3TB/month) > once we release 9.0 to public. > Do we know this for sure, have we asked infra.chat and have they said no to this? Thanks, Gj > > -Jirka > > Dne 5.4.2018 v

Re: How/where exactly to host the NBMs for the 9.0 release

2018-04-05 Thread Jan Lahoda
I believe this is about NBMs built from the standard distribution. Good among others for dot-dot updates, where the users could just download updated modules, not the whole distro. I think the current overall idea (based on ideas by many other people, like Jarda): -release the NBMs and the catalog

Re: How/where exactly to host the NBMs for the 9.0 release

2018-04-05 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Yes, that's excellent and a clear way forward. I suppose that prior to the final release, we could do an rc release, which would include this functionality that you're describing here so that we can try it out prior to the release. Gj On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Jan Lahoda wrote: > I belie

Re: How/where exactly to host the NBMs for the 9.0 release

2018-04-05 Thread Jan Lahoda
I forgot: the advantage of the redirect in netbeans-vm is that when 9.0 is superseded with a later version, we should delete 9.0 from dist/mirrors.Tthe release would then be available through archive. And we could simply change the redirect from mirrors to archive. The disadvantage is that we will

Re: How/where exactly to host the NBMs for the 9.0 release

2018-04-05 Thread Neil C Smith
On Thu, 5 Apr 2018 at 15:15 Jan Lahoda wrote: > -release the NBMs and the catalog as part of the convenience binaries (this > will probably need a little tweaking) > -have a (NetBeans 9.0-specific) URL setup on the netbeans-vm, like e.g.: > http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/updates/9.0 > which would

Re: How/where exactly to host the NBMs for the 9.0 release

2018-04-05 Thread Jan Lahoda
On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 4:57 PM, Neil C Smith wrote: > On Thu, 5 Apr 2018 at 15:15 Jan Lahoda wrote: > > > -release the NBMs and the catalog as part of the convenience binaries > (this > > will probably need a little tweaking) > > -have a (NetBeans 9.0-specific) URL setup on the netbeans-vm, like

Celebrating 20 Years of NetBeans 1998 - 2018

2018-04-05 Thread Kai Uwe Pel
Hello, kindly I would like to reminder all you guys, that this year we are having our excellent "20 Years NetBeans Birthday"... if I am not wrong. https://netbeans.org/birthday/ It would be great, if we could make an official announcement at our http://netbeans.apache.org  as well. It woul

Re: How/where exactly to host the NBMs for the 9.0 release

2018-04-05 Thread Jiří Kovalský
Dne 5.4.2018 v 16:02 Geertjan Wielenga napsal(a): I am afraid that VM hosting Synergy won't survive such a load (~3TB/month) once we release 9.0 to public. Do we know this for sure, have we asked infra.chat and have they said no to this? Yes. I said 5TB/month though which is our best estimate.

RE: Celebrating 20 Years of NetBeans 1998 - 2018

2018-04-05 Thread Kenneth Fogel
I have submitted a proposal for a keynote at the September ApacheCon here in Montreal. Talking about Netbeans' 20 year history will be part of that. If anyone has any stories, anecdotes, or other information then I could use for my presentation please pass them on. I could also use this informat

Re: How/where exactly to host the NBMs for the 9.0 release

2018-04-05 Thread Antonio
Hi, Some comments/ideas: 1. I think we should open an issue with INFRA so they are aware ouf our ~3TB/month load requirements. I imagine they'll prefer we use the mirror network. 2. We can make http://netbeans.apache.org/updates/9.0/ redirect to wherever we want (we _don't need a specific d

Re: How/where exactly to host the NBMs for the 9.0 release

2018-04-05 Thread Neil C Smith
On Thu, 5 Apr 2018 at 17:57 Antonio wrote: > 2. We can make http://netbeans.apache.org/updates/9.0/ redirect to > wherever we want (we _don't need a specific domain_ for that) by using a > simple .htaccess file (much like [1]). We can do this ourselves, today. > My suggestion was only for the ca

Re: How/where exactly to host the NBMs for the 9.0 release

2018-04-05 Thread Jan Lahoda
On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 6:57 PM, Antonio wrote: > Hi, > > Some comments/ideas: > > 1. I think we should open an issue with INFRA so they are aware ouf our > ~3TB/month load requirements. I imagine they'll prefer we use the mirror > network. > > 2. We can make http://netbeans.apache.org/updates/9.0

Re: How/where exactly to host the NBMs for the 9.0 release

2018-04-05 Thread Antonio
We have the following stats from the mirror system: https://www.apache.org/dyn/stats/netbeans.log Each line is a download, line format is: First column: date (as a long timestamp) Second column: last digit of IP. Third column: country Fourth column: url I'm chatting with infra right now. They

Re: How/where exactly to host the NBMs for the 9.0 release

2018-04-05 Thread Antonio
Hi, Quoting Daniel Gruno in the infra chat: "considering we have millions of downloads each month from the mirror network, I don't think 3-5 Tb/month is gonna put a big dent in it". Anyway I think we may want to open an issue with infra stating our download plan (once we have one) and an app

Re: Celebrating 20 Years of NetBeans 1998 - 2018

2018-04-05 Thread Jiří Kovalský
Ken, I am sure you will find some anecdotes here: https://netbeans.org/birthday I support the cake mission! What if we cook individual NetBeans 20th Birthday cakes ourselves (well, my lovely wife in my case) and take a picture of it or us with the cake. Then we could create a compilation of

Re: How/where exactly to host the NBMs for the 9.0 release

2018-04-05 Thread Antonio
Hi, I've set up some example redirects (PR #31, [1]), see examples a-c) below. I think that we can host the big catalog.xml.gz file in the mirror system, and have a redirection at netbeans.apache.org pointing to the catalog.xml.gz file in the closest mirror. Cheers, Antonio a) Catalog file