Re: [proposal]: Enhance visualisation of Handles
Hi List, On 16.12.2012 15:30, RGB ES wrote: 2012/12/16 Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de --- snip --- The buildbot version has it now and I tried it. The transparency for the anchor icon is really a large improvement. And the handles have a good compromise between brightness and transparency. The draw center and mirror axis markers are visible in front of dark backgrounds too. So I think, well done. :) Thanks Regina. Be ensured - if you would have had concerns, I would take them serious ;-) +1!!! The new handlers are really nice, and the anchor transparency is just gorgeous! Thanks Ricardo :-) Regards Ricardo Did someone try the HighContrast setting? (I did, but just to make sure...) -- ALG
Re: [proposal]: Enhance visualisation of Handles
Hi Armin, Armin Le Grand schrieb: Hi List, On 11.12.2012 14:15, Armin Le Grand wrote: Hi List, I took the time and started to look technically and bitmap'ally at the handles and how to make them some nicer, but also more useful (aka slightly transparent). For deeper information, please see the task (https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121463) I have opened for it. I know handles and how they look is a question of taste; I tried to carefully alter them and did not take away any existiong options (two sets, two sizes to choose from, plus HighContrast). To take a look, follow the link to find the things I changed and the bitmaps in the files referenced there. P.S.: I actually used Draw and it's 3D engine to create the handles before scaling them down in a bitmap program, it's all in there :-) -- ALG I have comitted this now, mainly that all get the chance to have a look and play around with it. Please do not hesitate when you see negative effects or something that needs to be re-evaluated. Comitting it does not mean it's the end of the story :-) For the worst case, svn *is* a time machine. I (still) hope that the handles which are more pleasing to the eye find mostly everyones liking. I was very careful, the change is moderate. Just take a look first ;-) The buildbot version has it now and I tried it. The transparency for the anchor icon is really a large improvement. And the handles have a good compromise between brightness and transparency. The draw center and mirror axis markers are visible in front of dark backgrounds too. So I think, well done. :) Kind regards Regina
Re: [proposal]: Enhance visualisation of Handles
On 13.12.2012 11:09, Armin Le Grand wrote: Hi Kevin, On 13.12.2012 11:03, Kevin Grignon wrote: Armin, Could you share a screen cap? I could, but it will be much easier and more valuable when you wait for the next buildbot builds and install a AOO develop version. Only there will you be able to change everything yourself. I will not be able to take into account things like black/colored backgrounds, system color settings, HighContrast and others. I am also interested in a screenshot. It would save me time and trouble not to have to wait for the next build, locate it, download it and install it. And I could watch it in the morning on my IPad. -Andre
Re: [proposal]: Enhance visualisation of Handles
Hi Andre, On 14.12.2012 09:00, Andre Fischer wrote: On 13.12.2012 11:09, Armin Le Grand wrote: Hi Kevin, On 13.12.2012 11:03, Kevin Grignon wrote: Armin, Could you share a screen cap? I could, but it will be much easier and more valuable when you wait for the next buildbot builds and install a AOO develop version. Only there will you be able to change everything yourself. I will not be able to take into account things like black/colored backgrounds, system color settings, HighContrast and others. I am also interested in a screenshot. It would save me time and trouble not to have to wait for the next build, locate it, download it and install it. And I could watch it in the morning on my IPad. Have you tried http://people.apache.org/~alg/ and the files there already? There I provided some screenshots, as described in the discussion. These screenshots are a lot of work, since with a normal one you can show only *one* selected object, so it's a lot of hand-crafted work. The main disadvantage is that they can sow only cases of which I was thinking, as I tried to describe above. You will have a pretty recent AOO version soon anyways, as I know ;-). There is time for discussion and changes until the next release, no need to hurry. -Andre Sincerely, Armin -- ALG
Re: [proposal]: Enhance visualisation of Handles
On 14.12.2012 10:19, Andre Fischer wrote: On 14.12.2012 10:08, Armin Le Grand wrote: Hi Andre, On 14.12.2012 09:00, Andre Fischer wrote: On 13.12.2012 11:09, Armin Le Grand wrote: Hi Kevin, On 13.12.2012 11:03, Kevin Grignon wrote: Armin, Could you share a screen cap? I could, but it will be much easier and more valuable when you wait for the next buildbot builds and install a AOO develop version. Only there will you be able to change everything yourself. I will not be able to take into account things like black/colored backgrounds, system color settings, HighContrast and others. I am also interested in a screenshot. It would save me time and trouble not to have to wait for the next build, locate it, download it and install it. And I could watch it in the morning on my IPad. Have you tried http://people.apache.org/~alg/ and the files there already? There I provided some screenshots, as described in the discussion. Thanks, I did not see these before. Which of them shows the new markers? It's desribed in the task to this issue (https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121463). Sorry, I realized that I described these files *only* in the task. These screenshots are a lot of work, since with a normal one you can show only *one* selected object, so it's a lot of hand-crafted work. I know, I made some for the sidebar. But if you/I make screenshots then it saves other people a lot of time. Yes, That's why I did do them ;-) The main disadvantage is that they can sow only cases of which I was thinking, as I tried to describe above. You will have a pretty recent AOO version soon anyways, as I know ;-). No, I probably won't. I am currently working mostly on the sidebar branch. You may come over to my desk and play with my version if you don't find the time to install a fresh nightly build... There is time for discussion and changes until the next release, no need to hurry. -Andre Sincerely, Armin -- ALG -- ALG
Re: [proposal]: Enhance visualisation of Handles
Hi List, On 11.12.2012 14:15, Armin Le Grand wrote: Hi List, I took the time and started to look technically and bitmap'ally at the handles and how to make them some nicer, but also more useful (aka slightly transparent). For deeper information, please see the task (https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121463) I have opened for it. I know handles and how they look is a question of taste; I tried to carefully alter them and did not take away any existiong options (two sets, two sizes to choose from, plus HighContrast). To take a look, follow the link to find the things I changed and the bitmaps in the files referenced there. P.S.: I actually used Draw and it's 3D engine to create the handles before scaling them down in a bitmap program, it's all in there :-) -- ALG I have comitted this now, mainly that all get the chance to have a look and play around with it. Please do not hesitate when you see negative effects or something that needs to be re-evaluated. Comitting it does not mean it's the end of the story :-) For the worst case, svn *is* a time machine. I (still) hope that the handles which are more pleasing to the eye find mostly everyones liking. I was very careful, the change is moderate. Just take a look first ;-) Sincerely, Armin -- ALG
Re: [proposal]: Enhance visualisation of Handles
Armin, Could you share a screen cap? Any chance of including rotation, shear and skew? Kevin On Dec 13, 2012, at 5:53 PM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote: Hi List, On 11.12.2012 14:15, Armin Le Grand wrote: Hi List, I took the time and started to look technically and bitmap'ally at the handles and how to make them some nicer, but also more useful (aka slightly transparent). For deeper information, please see the task (https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121463) I have opened for it. I know handles and how they look is a question of taste; I tried to carefully alter them and did not take away any existiong options (two sets, two sizes to choose from, plus HighContrast). To take a look, follow the link to find the things I changed and the bitmaps in the files referenced there. P.S.: I actually used Draw and it's 3D engine to create the handles before scaling them down in a bitmap program, it's all in there :-) -- ALG I have comitted this now, mainly that all get the chance to have a look and play around with it. Please do not hesitate when you see negative effects or something that needs to be re-evaluated. Comitting it does not mean it's the end of the story :-) For the worst case, svn *is* a time machine. I (still) hope that the handles which are more pleasing to the eye find mostly everyones liking. I was very careful, the change is moderate. Just take a look first ;-) Sincerely, Armin -- ALG
Re: [proposal]: Enhance visualisation of Handles
Hi Kevin, On 13.12.2012 11:03, Kevin Grignon wrote: Armin, Could you share a screen cap? I could, but it will be much easier and more valuable when you wait for the next buildbot builds and install a AOO develop version. Only there will you be able to change everything yourself. I will not be able to take into account things like black/colored backgrounds, system color settings, HighContrast and others. Any chance of including rotation, shear and skew? Are you talking about changing the UI/Controller implementations? That did not happen. If not, all this can better be tested locally on your machine when you have installed a version containing that change. HTH! Kevin On Dec 13, 2012, at 5:53 PM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote: Hi List, On 11.12.2012 14:15, Armin Le Grand wrote: Hi List, I took the time and started to look technically and bitmap'ally at the handles and how to make them some nicer, but also more useful (aka slightly transparent). For deeper information, please see the task (https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121463) I have opened for it. I know handles and how they look is a question of taste; I tried to carefully alter them and did not take away any existiong options (two sets, two sizes to choose from, plus HighContrast). To take a look, follow the link to find the things I changed and the bitmaps in the files referenced there. P.S.: I actually used Draw and it's 3D engine to create the handles before scaling them down in a bitmap program, it's all in there :-) -- ALG I have comitted this now, mainly that all get the chance to have a look and play around with it. Please do not hesitate when you see negative effects or something that needs to be re-evaluated. Comitting it does not mean it's the end of the story :-) For the worst case, svn *is* a time machine. I (still) hope that the handles which are more pleasing to the eye find mostly everyones liking. I was very careful, the change is moderate. Just take a look first ;-) Sincerely, Armin -- ALG
Re: [proposal]: Enhance visualisation of Handles
Hi Armin, Armin Le Grand schrieb: Hi Regina, On 11.12.2012 21:44, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Armin, Armin Le Grand schrieb: Hi Regina, On 11.12.2012 15:36, Regina Henschel wrote: [..] More helpful for exact positions than transparency would be snap functions for handles and a tab in the sizeposition dialog for entering values directly. ?!? The geometry snaps (with all possibilities available on optiopns toolbar), what is the sense to snap handles, where their size is fixed and thus has no real meaning relative to the zoom showed in the document? Try to draw a parallelogram (from custom shapes) so that its upper edge is shifted 2cm to the right. Or for a polar handle, try to draw a sector (from custom shapes), which has exactly 30degree. It is not possible with the current UI. Okay, I see. I would not call it 'snap handles' but just snapping during the interaction. Could You write a task for it, it sounds reasonable. Here it is: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121472 Make custom shape handles sensible for snap options Kind regards Regina
Re: [proposal]: Enhance visualisation of Handles
Hi Armin, getting bigger handles is good. But I'm not convinced, that transparency is good. Please try the handles in a presentation, which has a dark background, like some master pages in our new set. LibreOffice has handles with transparency and I noticed, that they cannot be seen so good as the bright handles of AOO. More helpful for exact positions than transparency would be snap functions for handles and a tab in the sizeposition dialog for entering values directly. Especially the 3D handles are really nice and it is good that you show, what can be done in Draw. Kind regards Regina Armin Le Grand schrieb: Hi List, I took the time and started to look technically and bitmap'ally at the handles and how to make them some nicer, but also more useful (aka slightly transparent). For deeper information, please see the task (https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121463) I have opened for it. I know handles and how they look is a question of taste; I tried to carefully alter them and did not take away any existiong options (two sets, two sizes to choose from, plus HighContrast). To take a look, follow the link to find the things I changed and the bitmaps in the files referenced there. P.S.: I actually used Draw and it's 3D engine to create the handles before scaling them down in a bitmap program, it's all in there :-) -- ALG
Re: [proposal]: Enhance visualisation of Handles
Hi Armin, Armin Le Grand schrieb: Hi Regina, On 11.12.2012 15:36, Regina Henschel wrote: [..] More helpful for exact positions than transparency would be snap functions for handles and a tab in the sizeposition dialog for entering values directly. ?!? The geometry snaps (with all possibilities available on optiopns toolbar), what is the sense to snap handles, where their size is fixed and thus has no real meaning relative to the zoom showed in the document? Try to draw a parallelogram (from custom shapes) so that its upper edge is shifted 2cm to the right. Or for a polar handle, try to draw a sector (from custom shapes), which has exactly 30degree. It is not possible with the current UI. For classical sector shape exists a workaround: set a snap angle in ToolsOptions. Or for a parallelogram use a polygon and snap lines. But that do not work for custom shapes. I see no advantage of transparency. You loose the brightness and neon colors and get what? Please try it in LibreOffice. What do others think? Or I'm the only one who often use Draw? Kind regards Regina
