Re: [SUGGESTION] Don't make the commits too big

[Dave Fisher]

> On Jan 12, 2024, at 11:46 AM, Marcus  wrote:
> 
> @all AOO developers
> 
> In order to prevent problems like this ...
> "I need to find a specific code change in a commit big like the Mount Everest"
> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124285
> 
> ... we should agree that commits should not be too large. Then a regression, 
> missing code part or else is much easier - and faster - to find.
> 
> E.g., doing the code changes of this wiki page is one commit should be 
> prevented but split in reasonable commits:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/ODF+1.3+Changes
> 
> What do you think?

I think that makes sense. If a PR has to be large then that work should be on a 
branch and then rebased.

Best,
Dave

> 
> Thanks
> 
> Marcus
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Re: Suggestion

[Peter Kovacs]

I think OpenOffice is about developer freedom to do what he wants to do.
If a someone shows up and wants to do an email client, then let him.

Even if the project spins off into its own realm because there are only
little things that both benefit from.

I do not believe any harm is done by that.


I do not have to believe in the client in order to support this. I just
have to be curious where other OpenOffice modules could benefit from
features an email client would bring.

And then is the trick to do this right. I have already some ideas.


BTW, we use a lot of dynamic libraries. This is a clear hint that
OpenOffice is not monolithic. Just the Architecture is not understood,
or wrong designed / used.

A monolithic build would only consist of static linked libraries.
(According to the book Clean Architecture)


All the best

Peter

On 28.01.19 00:25, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> Peter Kovacs wrote:
>> I think the request for a OpenOffice Mail Client has been placed
>> repeatedly over time.
>
> Yes, but it is due to a misleading analogy with what Microsoft does
> (or used to do) by incorporating a mail client into their Office suite.
>
> The main mission of OpenOffice focuses on office productivity, and I
> think we are still good at that. The code is very monolithic and an
> external solution (Thunderbird being a natural choice) is more or less
> the only option that makes sense.
>
>> To be clear: This is a more year effort.
>
> E-mail has moved to the cloud much faster than office productivity.
> Honestly, if we ever were to announce that OpenOffice would start
> actions for including a mail client in the (not immediate) future,
> this would be irrelevant to most people even among our own users.
>
> In short, I think adding an e-mail client never made sense, and that
> this was irrelevant even when it was actually in the suite (not named
> OpenOffice yet), but it is even more irrelevant now.
>
> If someone is going to join to help with creating an e-mail module, it
> would be better to put those energies to better use.
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: Suggestion

[Patricia Shanahan]

On 1/27/2019 3:25 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
...
In short, I think adding an e-mail client never made sense, and that 
this was irrelevant even when it was actually in the suite (not named 
OpenOffice yet), but it is even more irrelevant now.


I used StarOffice when it had a mail client, never used its mail, and 
did not see any of my colleagues using it.


There may be a case for an Outlook-replacement mail and scheduling 
client. If so, I think it would be better as an independent project, 
free to pick its programming language, libraries etc.


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Re: Suggestion

[Andrea Pescetti]

Peter Kovacs wrote:

I think the request for a OpenOffice Mail Client has been placed
repeatedly over time.


Yes, but it is due to a misleading analogy with what Microsoft does (or 
used to do) by incorporating a mail client into their Office suite.


The main mission of OpenOffice focuses on office productivity, and I 
think we are still good at that. The code is very monolithic and an 
external solution (Thunderbird being a natural choice) is more or less 
the only option that makes sense.



To be clear: This is a more year effort.


E-mail has moved to the cloud much faster than office productivity. 
Honestly, if we ever were to announce that OpenOffice would start 
actions for including a mail client in the (not immediate) future, this 
would be irrelevant to most people even among our own users.


In short, I think adding an e-mail client never made sense, and that 
this was irrelevant even when it was actually in the suite (not named 
OpenOffice yet), but it is even more irrelevant now.


If someone is going to join to help with creating an e-mail module, it 
would be better to put those energies to better use.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Suggestion

[Peter Kovacs]

Hi John,

I am open for an OpenOffice Email Client.


As Markus writes OpenOffice Project would need to start from the
scratch. Maybe reaching out to Thunderbird, Evolution or another email
Project will provide faster results, and is the more efficient approach?
(As Markus suggests)

However if you are determined for an OpenOffice Email client I say you
have to go into the lead. We should do things right and start writing up
all features we need/want.

I suggest we use the user story method. This is a successful design
method and requires only user skill and in our case Wiki tool knowledge.


I think the request for a OpenOffice Mail Client has been placed
repeatedly over time. Maybe if someone starts making first steps in this
direction others step up to support this.

I do not think the work done is lost, even if it does not sky rocket
right away.

To be clear: This is a more year effort. It is nothing to be done just
like that.


Do you accept the Challenge and start writing user stories for an E-Mail
Client in OpenOffice?

I help you getting started.


BTW I found this:

https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Marketing-Material-ReplaceOutlook


All the best

Peter

On 27.01.19 06:26, JD wrote:
> Hi Marcus,
>
> One facet of all this has changed. In keeping with perpetual greed MS
> has copied the cash cow concept adopted by adobe - you don't get the
> program you rent it thus insuring they get your money.
>
> I loaded outlook and and because I think they are pushing the online
> stuff suddenly my copy no longer functions how about that?
>
> Thunderbird is pretty barren, and seems to frequently do stuff I don't
> care for examples do not come to mind as this is written  but the
> $$ angle with MS is the dominant item. Customer needs to be milked.
>
> Can't express my loathing for that enough.
>
> Thanks for your comments. Perhaps as MS tightens the wire a new or
> improved client may be in order.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> John Diehl
>
> On 1/26/2019 3:49 PM, Marcus wrote:
>> Am 26.01.19 um 20:55 schrieb JD:
>>> Appreciate your efforts greatly! It just keeps getting better all
>>> the time.
>>>
>>> A fabulous addition to your programs would be a mail client. How I
>>> would welcome that. One that has an auto correct built in.
>>
>> OpenOffice had already a mail client (OK; to be more correct, it was
>> StarOffice many years ago). It had a news client, Internet browser
>> and schedular on board. Even an own desktop was included. However, it
>> wasn't successfull. The people have used other programs that were
>> better suited for that and the desktop wasn't well understood.
>>
>> Today there are already good and well-established programs like
>> Outlook and Thunderbird - just to name the most popular ones.
>>
>> Therefore I don't think it would make sense to spend a lot of time to
>> invent all of this from scratch just to have an own mail program in
>> OpenOffice.
>>
>> My 2ct.
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
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Re: Suggestion

[JD]

Hi Marcus,

One facet of all this has changed. In keeping with perpetual greed MS 
has copied the cash cow concept adopted by adobe - you don't get the 
program you rent it thus insuring they get your money.


I loaded outlook and and because I think they are pushing the online 
stuff suddenly my copy no longer functions how about that?


Thunderbird is pretty barren, and seems to frequently do stuff I don't 
care for examples do not come to mind as this is written  but the $$ 
angle with MS is the dominant item. Customer needs to be milked.


Can't express my loathing for that enough.

Thanks for your comments. Perhaps as MS tightens the wire a new or 
improved client may be in order.


Kind regards,

John Diehl

On 1/26/2019 3:49 PM, Marcus wrote:

Am 26.01.19 um 20:55 schrieb JD:
Appreciate your efforts greatly! It just keeps getting better all the 
time.


A fabulous addition to your programs would be a mail client. How I 
would welcome that. One that has an auto correct built in.


OpenOffice had already a mail client (OK; to be more correct, it was 
StarOffice many years ago). It had a news client, Internet browser and 
schedular on board. Even an own desktop was included. However, it 
wasn't successfull. The people have used other programs that were 
better suited for that and the desktop wasn't well understood.


Today there are already good and well-established programs like 
Outlook and Thunderbird - just to name the most popular ones.


Therefore I don't think it would make sense to spend a lot of time to 
invent all of this from scratch just to have an own mail program in 
OpenOffice.


My 2ct.

Marcus




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Re: Suggestion

[Marcus]

Am 26.01.19 um 20:55 schrieb JD:

Appreciate your efforts greatly! It just keeps getting better all the time.

A fabulous addition to your programs would be a mail client. How I would 
welcome that. One that has an auto correct built in.


OpenOffice had already a mail client (OK; to be more correct, it was 
StarOffice many years ago). It had a news client, Internet browser and 
schedular on board. Even an own desktop was included. However, it wasn't 
successfull. The people have used other programs that were better suited 
for that and the desktop wasn't well understood.


Today there are already good and well-established programs like Outlook 
and Thunderbird - just to name the most popular ones.


Therefore I don't think it would make sense to spend a lot of time to 
invent all of this from scratch just to have an own mail program in 
OpenOffice.


My 2ct.

Marcus


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Re: may be duplicate but More to say Re: Suggestion for software please

[FR web forum]

Maybe a macro could be this task.
Post this question on forum:
http://forum.openoffice.org

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De: "mjt bs cap-om" <myrn...@earthlink.net>
À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Envoyé: Lundi 17 Octobre 2016 21:17:46
Objet: may be duplicate but More to say  Re: Suggestion for software please

On second thought I didn't explain well.  GLAD to learn about F5--to me it is a 
cute little box.
  
My specific inquiry, same subject.  Example One--You copy your bank statement 
of credits into a ODT (your document s/w).  I still MUST select (Ctrl+A) in 
order to right click and REMOVE HYPERLINK for EACH ONE!!

Now, selecting All (Ctrl+A) is difficult (s/w stalls and typing looks like 
uneven) and I believe it is due to the hyperlinks (Ctrl+M).  So I still 
suggest, and I don't like re-inventin' ANY THING but you decide the importance 
of this suggestion.  

Again, right click to remove all hyperlinks would be great--as it is now each 
hyperlink must be selected and Ctrl+M'd.  I am not zipping this document 
anywhere.  Example Two--When I make a list of my passwords using ODT, any 
hyperlink shows up as a type my email address.  I used to stop before the 
".net"  but now I type it and select it and remove hyperlink.  Still difficult 
because of mouse communicating to s/w which can re-arrange my typing.

Typing to me is like printing or writing--I recall best.  Thank you again for 
your time.

MT
**


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>From: Marcus <marcus.m...@wtnet.de>
>Sent: Oct 15, 2016 9:57 PM
>To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>Cc: volley86...@mypacks.net
>Subject: Re: Suggestion for software please
>
>Am 10/16/2016 09:39 AM, schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>> Maybe it is worth about thinking to have a Link Manager of some kind. So
>> you can review the Links within your document.
>
>please don't re-invent the wheel. ;-)
>
>Such manager is already existing with the Navigator. Here you can see 
>all links, rearrange, edit, or even delete them.
>
>IMHO This should be enough.
>
>Marcus
>
>
>
>> Rory O'Farrell<ofarr...@iol.ie>  schrieb am So., 16. Okt. 2016, 09:07:
>>
>>> On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 12:16:53 -1000 (GMT-10:00)
>>> <volley86...@mypacks.net>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> When I have a personal document (odt) with hyperlinks in it (copied from
>>> another personal on-line document), I suggest software capability increase
>>> to allow a person to click on the document (odt) and then right-click to
>>> show the added software to remove all hyperlinks.
>>>>
>>>> That's it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> To globally remove all links might in many circumstances be dangerous as
>>> it would remove everything, wanted or unwanted.  Navigator (F5) allows one
>>> to click on an unwanted link; hitting Delete then removes that link.
>>>
>>> --
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may be duplicate but More to say Re: Suggestion for software please

[mjt bs cap-om]

On second thought I didn't explain well.  GLAD to learn about F5--to me it is a 
cute little box.
  
My specific inquiry, same subject.  Example One--You copy your bank statement 
of credits into a ODT (your document s/w).  I still MUST select (Ctrl+A) in 
order to right click and REMOVE HYPERLINK for EACH ONE!!

Now, selecting All (Ctrl+A) is difficult (s/w stalls and typing looks like 
uneven) and I believe it is due to the hyperlinks (Ctrl+M).  So I still 
suggest, and I don't like re-inventin' ANY THING but you decide the importance 
of this suggestion.  

Again, right click to remove all hyperlinks would be great--as it is now each 
hyperlink must be selected and Ctrl+M'd.  I am not zipping this document 
anywhere.  Example Two--When I make a list of my passwords using ODT, any 
hyperlink shows up as a type my email address.  I used to stop before the 
".net"  but now I type it and select it and remove hyperlink.  Still difficult 
because of mouse communicating to s/w which can re-arrange my typing.

Typing to me is like printing or writing--I recall best.  Thank you again for 
your time.

MT
**


-Original Message-
>From: Marcus <marcus.m...@wtnet.de>
>Sent: Oct 15, 2016 9:57 PM
>To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>Cc: volley86...@mypacks.net
>Subject: Re: Suggestion for software please
>
>Am 10/16/2016 09:39 AM, schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>> Maybe it is worth about thinking to have a Link Manager of some kind. So
>> you can review the Links within your document.
>
>please don't re-invent the wheel. ;-)
>
>Such manager is already existing with the Navigator. Here you can see 
>all links, rearrange, edit, or even delete them.
>
>IMHO This should be enough.
>
>Marcus
>
>
>
>> Rory O'Farrell<ofarr...@iol.ie>  schrieb am So., 16. Okt. 2016, 09:07:
>>
>>> On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 12:16:53 -1000 (GMT-10:00)
>>> <volley86...@mypacks.net>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> When I have a personal document (odt) with hyperlinks in it (copied from
>>> another personal on-line document), I suggest software capability increase
>>> to allow a person to click on the document (odt) and then right-click to
>>> show the added software to remove all hyperlinks.
>>>>
>>>> That's it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> To globally remove all links might in many circumstances be dangerous as
>>> it would remove everything, wanted or unwanted.  Navigator (F5) allows one
>>> to click on an unwanted link; hitting Delete then removes that link.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rory O'Farrell<ofarr...@iol.ie>

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Re: Suggestion for software please

[Mathias Röllig]

When I have a personal document (odt) with hyperlinks in it (copied
from another personal on-line document), I suggest software
capability increase to allow a person to click on the document (odt)
and then right-click to show the added software to remove all
hyperlinks.


Simply highlight all text and use
Format → Default Formatting.



That's it.


Exact.

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Re: Suggestion for software please

[Peter Kovacs]

Ahh forgot about that one. Have to use the OpenOffice again.

Thanks Marcus


On 16.10.2016 09:57, Marcus wrote:

Am 10/16/2016 09:39 AM, schrieb Peter Kovacs:

Maybe it is worth about thinking to have a Link Manager of some kind. So
you can review the Links within your document.


please don't re-invent the wheel. ;-)

Such manager is already existing with the Navigator. Here you can see 
all links, rearrange, edit, or even delete them.


IMHO This should be enough.

Marcus




Rory O'Farrell schrieb am So., 16. Okt. 2016, 09:07:


On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 12:16:53 -1000 (GMT-10:00)
  wrote:



When I have a personal document (odt) with hyperlinks in it (copied 
from
another personal on-line document), I suggest software capability 
increase
to allow a person to click on the document (odt) and then 
right-click to

show the added software to remove all hyperlinks.


That's it.



To globally remove all links might in many circumstances be 
dangerous as
it would remove everything, wanted or unwanted.  Navigator (F5) 
allows one

to click on an unwanted link; hitting Delete then removes that link.

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Re: Suggestion for software please

[Peter Kovacs]

Maybe it is worth about thinking to have a Link Manager of some kind. So
you can review the Links within your document.

Rory O'Farrell  schrieb am So., 16. Okt. 2016, 09:07:

> On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 12:16:53 -1000 (GMT-10:00)
>  wrote:
>
> >
> > When I have a personal document (odt) with hyperlinks in it (copied from
> another personal on-line document), I suggest software capability increase
> to allow a person to click on the document (odt) and then right-click to
> show the added software to remove all hyperlinks.
> >
> > That's it.
> >
>
> To globally remove all links might in many circumstances be dangerous as
> it would remove everything, wanted or unwanted.  Navigator (F5) allows one
> to click on an unwanted link; hitting Delete then removes that link.
>
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Re: Suggestion for software please

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 12:16:53 -1000 (GMT-10:00)
 wrote:

> 
> When I have a personal document (odt) with hyperlinks in it (copied from 
> another personal on-line document), I suggest software capability increase to 
> allow a person to click on the document (odt) and then right-click to show 
> the added software to remove all hyperlinks.
> 
> That's it.
> 

To globally remove all links might in many circumstances be dangerous as it 
would remove everything, wanted or unwanted.  Navigator (F5) allows one to 
click on an unwanted link; hitting Delete then removes that link.

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Re: Suggestion (4) for summer of code project

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 19/05/2014 Rory O'Farrell wrote:

A method (submenu?) of limiting Navigator display of comments to those from a 
given author (Default to All)


All your four (so far) suggestions make sense, but as Rob already wrote 
you should capture them in Bugzilla as enhancements.


All of them probably have too a narrow scope to be suitable for Summer 
of Code, but they could be nice projects for those who want to start, 
provided we identify knowledgeable mentors who can give some guidance to 
new volunteers.


Regards,
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Re: Suggestion

[Guy Waterval]

Hello,

Several years ago, if I good remember, there was a proposition to integrate
this one, but this project didn't survive.

http://code.google.com/p/keynote-nf/


2013/10/9 Muhammad Zafar Hussain mosi...@gmail.com

 Dear Sir,

 Develop a software like Microsoft OneNote, so a user can manage the notes
 in a notebook and starts using your product.

 Regards,

 --
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 Karachi, Pakistan.
 Cellular +(92)-345-226-226-1
 Email: mosi...@gmail.com
 Skype: xapharh
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Re: Suggestion

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Mon, 13 May 2013 08:59:10 +0100
Cara Johnson caraj1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi there, FIRST, let me just say that I am in awe of the work you all do
 and really, really, REALLY, appreciate having all of OpenOfffice's tools
 available to me.
 
 Sorry, but there is a BUT coming: One of the very few things that MS Word
 does better than OpenOffice Writer is that it allows one to do a global
 replace of the Shift-Enter character with ^p.

Slightly different syntax in OpenOffice

/Edit /Find and Replace 
In the Find box \n
In the Replace box \n
Drop More Options and select Regular expressions.
The \n has different meanings in each of the boxes.  In the Find, in means 
Shift Enter, in the Replace it means Paragraph mark

 
 The reason that this is a good thing and would be VERY helpful, is that
 when one copies text from an online document, the paragraphs invariably are
 made with Shift-Enter.
 
 Example: (unfortch, those dratted little arrow thingees don't show here,
 just imagine one at the end of each truncated line:
 
 
 Danans in the early ages. The terms Sighc, /Sigheog, and Siabhra, were
 applied by the Irish to Fairies : hence came the names Sktbhrog,  a fairy
 habitation; Sluagh-Sighe, the fairy host; and Bean-Sighe,  a fairy
 woman. The fairies were also called by the Irish Deamhain-Aedhiry
 signifying Demons of the Air; and frequently Daione-Maithe, meaning
 *' the good people — being so denominated for fear of giving them offence,
 and
 dreading their power%
 
  As one can see, fort of, it's tedious in the extreme to replace each of
 these characters individually in order for the text to flow properly.
 Thank you for your time and for this great suite of tools.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 Cara Johnson
 
 Dublin, Ireland


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Re: suggestion for another cwiki change..new

[Dave Fisher]

I am personally fine with whatever you do along the lines of surfacing current 
planning efforts and archiving old efforts.

For cwiki articles that should be moved to Mwiki then perhaps a For MWiki 
category would make sense.

If you need someone with full confluence admin rights let me know, I'm happy to 
help.

Regards,
Dave

On Mar 9, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:

 Right now, for top level categories on cwiki, we have the following:
 
 
   -  
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release-Translate-Plan?moved=true#
Project 
 Planninghttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Project+Planning
   -  
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release-Translate-Plan?moved=true#
User Documentation
 Planhttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/User+Documentation+Plan
-  
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release-Translate-Plan?moved=true#
Marketing 
 Planninghttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Marketing+Planning
-
Development Snapshot
 Buildshttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds
-  
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release-Translate-Plan?moved=true#
Project 
 Reportinghttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Project+Reporting
-  
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release-Translate-Plan?moved=true#
Localization
 Planninghttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Localization+Planning
-  
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release-Translate-Plan?moved=true#
QA 
 Planninghttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/QA+Planning
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 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release-Translate-Plan?moved=true#
AOO4 
 Brainstorminghttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+Brainstorming
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 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release-Translate-Plan?moved=true#
Board 
 Reportshttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Board+Reports
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 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release-Translate-Plan?moved=true#
Directory of
 Volunteershttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Directory+of+Volunteers
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 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release-Translate-Plan?moved=true#
Archive https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Archive
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 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release-Translate-Plan?moved=true#
Strategic 
 Planshttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Strategic+Plans
 
 Now for releases, release planning, we have the AOO 3.4 Release Plan is its
 own subcategory under Project Planning.
 
 However, other Release Plans are under a sub-category called Releases.
 
 Are there any objections to promoting Releases to a top-level category
 and put the various version release plans under that (including 3.4)?
 
 I  must  be in a spring cleaning mood! :}
 
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 MzK
 
 Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin.


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