Re: [dev] GPL free Linux

2018-11-14 Thread Michael Forney
On 2018-11-13, Markus Wichmann wrote: > On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 01:14:38PM -0800, Michael Forney wrote: >> Usually how it works is either the display server itself needs to be >> setuid to open those input devices, or some other program (commonly >> systemd-logind) needs to open it on its behalf.

Re: [dev] GPL free Linux

2018-11-14 Thread Alessandro Pistocchi
This is very cool :-) Sent from my iPhone > On 14 Nov 2018, at 20:37, Kurt Van Dijck > wrote: > >> On ma, 12 nov 2018 13:14:38 -0800, Michael Forney wrote: >> >> Xorg seems to work similarly, and you might be able to avoid libudev >> and retain hotplug support by writing a "netlink" config

Re: [dev] GPL free Linux

2018-11-14 Thread Kurt Van Dijck
On ma, 12 nov 2018 13:14:38 -0800, Michael Forney wrote: > > Xorg seems to work similarly, and you might be able to avoid libudev > and retain hotplug support by writing a "netlink" config backend here: > https://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/tree/config Long ago, I wrote such handler, to

Re: [dev] GPL free Linux

2018-11-13 Thread Markus Wichmann
On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 01:14:38PM -0800, Michael Forney wrote: > Usually how it works is either the display server itself needs to be > setuid to open those input devices, or some other program (commonly > systemd-logind) needs to open it on its behalf. I believe Xorg with > systemd disabled will

Re: [dev] GPL free Linux

2018-11-12 Thread Alessandro Pistocchi
Sent from my iPhone > On 13 Nov 2018, at 03:02, Eon S. Jeon wrote: > >> On 11/12/18 8:25 PM, Alessandro Pistocchi wrote: >> I just want people to be able to do proprietary software no questions asked. >> Some of my users may not know anything about copyleft and do stuff that is >> wrong

Re: [dev] GPL free Linux

2018-11-12 Thread Alessandro Pistocchi
Thanks :-) Sent from my iPhone > On 13 Nov 2018, at 00:11, Michael Forney wrote: > >> On 2018-11-12, Alessandro Pistocchi wrote: >> What is swc? > > My wayland compositor library: https://github.com/michaelforney/swc > >> Where can I find oasis? Would you be interested in helping a bit if I

Re: [dev] GPL free Linux

2018-11-12 Thread Eon S. Jeon
On 11/12/18 8:25 PM, Alessandro Pistocchi wrote: I just want people to be able to do proprietary software no questions asked. Some of my users may not know anything about copyleft and do stuff that is wrong without knowing it and I don’t want this to happen to them. That doesn't sound like

Re: [dev] GPL free Linux

2018-11-12 Thread Michael Forney
On 2018-11-12, Alessandro Pistocchi wrote: > What is swc? My wayland compositor library: https://github.com/michaelforney/swc > Where can I find oasis? Would you be interested in helping a bit if I needed > help starting from oasis and removing gpl/lgpl stuff? I am ok with gpl apps > but not

Re: [dev] GPL free Linux

2018-11-12 Thread Alessandro Pistocchi
Sent from my iPhone > On 12 Nov 2018, at 22:14, Michael Forney wrote: > >> On 2018-11-12, Markus Wichmann wrote: >>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 11:17:49AM +, Alessandro Pistocchi wrote: >>> I would use some help to make it work with X ( does it work with >>> Wayland? ). There are not many

Re: [dev] GPL free Linux

2018-11-12 Thread Michael Forney
On 2018-11-12, Markus Wichmann wrote: > On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 11:17:49AM +, Alessandro Pistocchi wrote: >> I would use some help to make it work with X ( does it work with >> Wayland? ). There are not many docs I found about it... > > Ah, that old chestnut. As far as I know, the X input

Re: [dev] GPL free Linux

2018-11-12 Thread Cág
Alessandro Pistocchi wrote: Hi everyone, Hi, I am working on a project to remove gpl stuff from Linux userspace ( I am ok with GPL executables but not with GPL or LGPL libraries ) and I see that your projects tend towards more open licenses. You probably should be replacing GNU stuff with

Re: [dev] GPL free Linux

2018-11-12 Thread Alessandro Pistocchi
Thanks :-) I will look into xforms Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2018, at 19:18, Hadrien Lacour wrote: >>> On 12 Nov 2018, at 05:28, Markus Wichmann wrote: >> Please, do tell if you find such a library. The ones I found were either >> the wrong language (Tk, Qt, FLTK), or hopelessly obtuse

Re: [dev] GPL free Linux

2018-11-12 Thread Hadrien Lacour
> > On 12 Nov 2018, at 05:28, Markus Wichmann wrote: > Please, do tell if you find such a library. The ones I found were either > the wrong language (Tk, Qt, FLTK), or hopelessly obtuse (gtk). Or pretty > much no assistance at all (xaw, motif). I never used it, but someone showed xforms

Re: [dev] GPL free Linux

2018-11-12 Thread Markus Wichmann
On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 11:17:49AM +, Alessandro Pistocchi wrote: > On 12 Nov 2018, at 05:28, Markus Wichmann wrote: > > > > That's why you have an iPhone? > > You would be surprised. I still use an old phone with the numeric keys > as a mobile phone. > Those are great: If you get mugged,

Re: [dev] GPL free Linux

2018-11-12 Thread Alessandro Pistocchi
Sent from my iPhone > On 12 Nov 2018, at 13:29, Hadrien Lacour wrote: > >> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 11:25:44AM +, Alessandro Pistocchi wrote: >> >> >>> On 12 Nov 2018, at 10:05, Hadrien Lacour wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 09:43:12PM -0700, Anthony J. Bentley wrote:

Re: [dev] GPL free Linux

2018-11-12 Thread Hadrien Lacour
On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 11:25:44AM +, Alessandro Pistocchi wrote: > > > > On 12 Nov 2018, at 10:05, Hadrien Lacour wrote: > > > > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 09:43:12PM -0700, Anthony J. Bentley wrote: > >> Markus Wichmann writes: > >>> Why would you do something so pointless? First of all,

Re: [dev] GPL free Linux

2018-11-12 Thread Alessandro Pistocchi
> On 12 Nov 2018, at 10:05, Hadrien Lacour wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 09:43:12PM -0700, Anthony J. Bentley wrote: >> Markus Wichmann writes: >>> Why would you do something so pointless? First of all, licences only >>> matter if you plan on redistribution, so most here won't care.

Re: [dev] GPL free Linux

2018-11-12 Thread Alessandro Pistocchi
> On 12 Nov 2018, at 09:19, David Demelier wrote: > > Le 12/11/2018 à 07:27, Alexander Huemer a écrit : >> If you don't like the GPL, why use the Linux kernel in the first place? >> Go with {Free,Open,Net}BSD and live happily ever after. > > Unfortunately in matter of hardware support, Linux

Re: [dev] GPL free Linux

2018-11-12 Thread Alessandro Pistocchi
Yeah, help with setting up X would be very nice. How much work would it be to use it with wayland? > On 12 Nov 2018, at 05:57, Platon Ryzhikov wrote: > > > > 12.11.2018, 08:29, "Markus Wichmann" : >> What's to help? You download the source, install it, remove udev from >> your init system

Re: [dev] GPL free Linux

2018-11-12 Thread Alessandro Pistocchi
> On 12 Nov 2018, at 05:28, Markus Wichmann wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 03:01:02AM +0100, Alessandro Pistocchi wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> > > Hi Alessandro, > >> I am new to suckless.org. I have seen some of your projects and I >> think I share a vision with you guys to make things

Re: [dev] GPL free Linux

2018-11-12 Thread Alessandro Pistocchi
Hi all, first of all apologies. My email clearly did not attract much of your interest and you generally did not like it. Let me answer the best that I can to your emails. Sent from my iPhone > On 12 Nov 2018, at 11:29, Anthony J. Bentley wrote: > > Hadrien Lacour writes: >>> On Sun, Nov

Re: [dev] GPL free Linux

2018-11-12 Thread Anthony J. Bentley
Hadrien Lacour writes: > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 09:43:12PM -0700, Anthony J. Bentley wrote: > > Markus Wichmann writes: > > > Why would you do something so pointless? First of all, licences only > > > matter if you plan on redistribution, so most here won't care. Second, > > > all the GPL demands

Re: [dev] GPL free Linux

2018-11-12 Thread Hadrien Lacour
On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 09:43:12PM -0700, Anthony J. Bentley wrote: > Markus Wichmann writes: > > Why would you do something so pointless? First of all, licences only > > matter if you plan on redistribution, so most here won't care. Second, > > all the GPL demands is that you distribute the

Re: [dev] GPL free Linux

2018-11-12 Thread David Demelier
Le 12/11/2018 à 07:27, Alexander Huemer a écrit : If you don't like the GPL, why use the Linux kernel in the first place? Go with {Free,Open,Net}BSD and live happily ever after. Unfortunately in matter of hardware support, Linux is definitely the best selection for now. Lot of people try to

Re: [dev] GPL free Linux

2018-11-11 Thread Alexander Huemer
On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 09:43:12PM -0700, Anthony J. Bentley wrote: > Markus Wichmann writes: > > Why would you do something so pointless? First of all, licences only > > matter if you plan on redistribution, so most here won't care. Second, > > all the GPL demands is that you distribute the

Re: [dev] GPL free Linux

2018-11-11 Thread Platon Ryzhikov
12.11.2018, 08:29, "Markus Wichmann" : > What's to help? You download the source, install it, remove udev from > your init system and add smdev to it. Maybe add some configuration, but > the defaults seem to work pretty well. I tried to do that in systemd-free Arch-based distro. In general

Re: [dev] GPL free Linux

2018-11-11 Thread Anthony J. Bentley
Markus Wichmann writes: > Why would you do something so pointless? First of all, licences only > matter if you plan on redistribution, so most here won't care. Second, > all the GPL demands is that you distribute the source, which any good > distribution should do, anyway, right? GPL also demands

Re: [dev] GPL free Linux

2018-11-11 Thread Markus Wichmann
On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 03:01:02AM +0100, Alessandro Pistocchi wrote: > Hi everyone, > Hi Alessandro, > I am new to suckless.org. I have seen some of your projects and I > think I share a vision with you guys to make things as simple as > possible but not simpler. > That's why you have an