[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #53 from Martin bestandig --- Dellet -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #52 from Christopher Schultz --- (In reply to Philippe Cloutier from comment #50) > Typically, with Maven, if a project depends on 3 libraries and pom.xml lists > B before A and finally C, the WAR file can contain b.jar before

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #51 from Philippe Cloutier --- (In reply to Mateusz Matela from comment #28) > (In reply to Mark Thomas from comment #27) > > The patch would have to be very minimal and the behaviour > > optional to be considered for inclusion in

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #50 from Philippe Cloutier --- Thank you very much for reporting Jörgen and all those who commented constructively My employer is one of those organizations which lost hours due to variability in loading order. For those who are

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 Remy Maucherat changed: What|Removed |Added Severity|normal |enhancement -- You are receiving

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 Philippe Cloutier changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #48 from Christopher Schultz --- This bug report has been RESOLVED WONTFIX. Please don't use Bugzilla to conduct a flame war. If you want to discuss this (again), please raise the issue on the users' or developers' mailing list.

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #47 from Y. Savanier --- Nice try but no, I've always run my webapps on linux machines and the Tomcat handling of jars at loading was always alphabeticaly ordered as far as I can remember which is what I'm talking about here (if

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #46 from Konstantin Kolinko --- (In reply to Y. Savanier from comment #45) > > For god sake, why was it so important to break a behaviour that was > consistent for at least 10 years You are wrong. The behavour was not consistent,

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #45 from Y. Savanier --- Oh my god this is just a gem that I got unnoticed until now... It explain so much of the random behaviour we started to have on our legacy webapps since 2 years now when we ingenuously upgraded from Tomcat

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 JHack changed: What|Removed |Added CC||gbocc...@gmail.com -- You are receiving this

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

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[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #44 from Mateusz Matela --- (In reply to mgrigorov from comment #42) > As Mark mentioned since recently Tomcat added functionality to scan the jars > in parallel. No matter whether the jars are sorted or not the results from > the

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #43 from Bernhard Seebass --- (In reply to mgrigorov from comment #42) > > As Mark mentioned since recently Tomcat added functionality to scan the jars > in parallel. No matter whether the jars are sorted or not the results from >

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #42 from mgrigorov --- (In reply to Mateusz Matela from comment #41) > This will still force people who already are in this trap to potentially > spend lots of time to investigate what's wrong, learn about this feature and > turn

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #41 from Mateusz Matela --- (In reply to mgrigorov from comment #38) > Since there are some users (to be precise: 13 in 6 years!) who depend on > this behavior That's only the number of people motivated enough to create/have an

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #40 from Mateusz Matela --- (In reply to Mark Thomas from comment #39) So maybe this is the root of the misunderstanding here: nobody's asking for this to be a fully fledged officially supported feature with guarantees that it

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #39 from Mark Thomas --- The more I think about this, the more convinced I am that the proposed patch, even with the ordering behaviour made optional via configuration, is not the right way to address this issue. The proposed

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #38 from mgrigorov --- We still believe that depending on the order of the jars (or on the moon phase) is wrong! Since there are some users (to be precise: 13 in 6 years!) who depend on this behavior then we are fine to add the

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #37 from Martin Knoblauch --- Hi Remy, so I do not see any of them explain why it is not a regression compared to the past (reliable) behavior. #3 blames "broken applications" for a relying on a behavior that worked for years.

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #36 from Remy Maucherat --- This is of course not a regression. Please read comments 3, 26 and 27 again. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #35 from Martin Knoblauch --- Exactly. A patch was submitted long time ago, but ignored due to the refusal to see this as a regression (not on technical merit as far as I can see. Except the "bloat" comment). No need to ask for a

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #34 from Mateusz Matela --- (In reply to mgrigorov from comment #33) There's already a patch provided that adds two lines of code. The unresolved issue is why this is not enough (i.e. there should be a new option for this). --

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #33 from mgrigorov --- At https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129#c27 (July 2019) Mark Thomas said that a patch/PR would be welcome for review! No one cared to send such for more than an year! If you really need this

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #32 from Martin Knoblauch --- Found this gem by accident. Now I understand some of our problems going from 7.0 to 9.0. This is clearly a regression. With an easy fix. Not even "bloat". I really fail the resistance of the -

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #31 from Mateusz Matela --- (In reply to Christopher Schultz from comment #29) > > Can you explain why this has to be optional? > > Because it's very nearly a spec violation. That's a big stretch. If the spec doesn't specify some

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 Mateusz Matela changed: What|Removed |Added CC||mateusz.mat...@gmail.com -- You are

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #30 from quaff --- It's absolute regression. I used to create second party library to overlay resources(template or config) in third party library, now I need to modify third party library or extract files from second party library

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #29 from Christopher Schultz --- (In reply to Mateusz Matela from comment #28) > (In reply to Mark Thomas from comment #27) > > The patch would have to be very minimal and the behaviour > > optional to be considered for inclusion

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #28 from Mateusz Matela --- (In reply to Mark Thomas from comment #27) > The patch would have to be very minimal and the behaviour > optional to be considered for inclusion in Tomcat. Can you explain why this has to be optional?

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #27 from Mark Thomas --- Something to keep in mind is the possible impact of the Java module system in future versions of the Servlet spec. My understanding is that Java modules do not allow packages to exist in more than one JAR.

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #26 from Remy Maucherat --- It doesn't look like this will be integrated based on previous comments, but the move to git is supposed to make fork and customization like this easier. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 Kuba changed: What|Removed |Added CC||jsamc...@gmail.com -- You are receiving this

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #25 from Kuba --- Well, after spending hundreds of man days to migrate our applications (including legacy) to new java and tomcat 9 I encoutered this... When installing application on production environment after all tests on test

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #24 from Christopher Schultz --- (In reply to Sebastien Tardif from comment #23) > It seems this issue is about fundamentalist versus pragmatism. Even if the > order is deterministic, some application

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #23 from Sebastien Tardif --- It seems this issue is about fundamentalist versus pragmatism. Even if the order is deterministic, some application will still fail because not the order they are used to, but at

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 Sebastien Tardif changed: What|Removed |Added CC||sebtar...@ncf.ca

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 Mark Thomas changed: What|Removed |Added Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

Re: [Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

Hi Mark, re: https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 This change seems significant enough that it merits mention in: https://tomcat.apache.org/migration-8.html I've inherited a number of tomcat7 servers which host quite a few wars/exploded wars, and I'd love to move us forward to

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 fchris...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #20 from fchris...@gmail.com --- (In reply to Mark Thomas from comment #8) > You can easily detect if the potential for problems exists. Look for classes > duplicated in multiple JARs. Even if we can detect

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #19 from fchris...@gmail.com --- Hi everybody, We also have some problems due to random jar loading order after we moved from Tomcat 7 to Tomcat 8. Application is not starting and displays error 'signer

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #18 from war...@gmail.com --- Hello, Give back a deterministic, reproducible classloader!!! P.Busque ask at least an option to do that I vote +100 on that! I manage ~100 of web application on an old application server

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #17 from CBen --- We have upgraded from Tomcat 6 / Java 6 to Tomcat 8 / Java 7. Everything was deployed and working successfully in tests environments and 3 prod servers. However, the deployment was

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #16 from Philippe Busque --- We just begun converting your tomcat 6 and tomcat 7 Webfarm to Tomcat 8, and honestly, this is a show stopper for us. We cannot, in a cluster setup, start Tomcat and have each

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #13 from Joachim Economou --- I understand the argument that an application that depends on Tomcat reading its jar files alphabetically is broken, however we are talking about a behavior that has persisted since

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #14 from Guillaume Smet --- Hi Joachim, The issue with PreResources is that you need to use an absolute path which is quite impractical. Moreover, it doesn't solve the issue of having something

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #15 from Christopher Schultz --- (In reply to Guillaume Smet from comment #14) > The issue with PreResources is that you need to use an absolute path which > is quite impractical. While absolute paths

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #12 from quaff zhouyanm...@gmail.com --- (In reply to Christopher Schultz from comment #11) (In reply to quaff from comment #9) I have the same problem, my application need to override resources of third-party libs, for example

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 quaff zhouyanm...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||zhouyanm...@gmail.com --

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

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[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 Remy Maucherat r...@apache.org changed: What|Removed |Added Resolution|--- |INVALID

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #11 from Christopher Schultz ch...@christopherschultz.net --- (In reply to quaff from comment #9) I have the same problem, my application need to override resources of third-party libs, for example config files and templates even

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #8 from Mark Thomas ma...@apache.org --- You can easily detect if the potential for problems exists. Look for classes duplicated in multiple JARs. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #7 from David Corbin dcor...@ieee.org --- Just one more comment about this. We've recently upgrade to Tomcat 8 and encountered this. The net effect is that Tomcat is now non-deterministic. We have the same war file running on the

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #5 from Guillaume Smet guillaume.s...@gmail.com --- Hi Mark, (In reply to Mark Thomas from comment #3) Applications that depend on JARs being searched for classes in a particular order are broken and should be fixed. I am -1

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 Guillaume Smet guillaume.s...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC|

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #6 from Mark Thomas ma...@apache.org --- My position - and reasons for that position - remain unchanged. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #1 from Jörgen Persson j...@jorgenpersson.se --- Created attachment 32134 -- https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=32134action=edit Adds Arrays.sort(...) in the two identified methods -- You are receiving this

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #2 from Jörgen Persson j...@jorgenpersson.se --- I found the problem running Linux Mint 17. On Windows 7 64 bit, the files seems to be ordered alphabetically. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 Mark Thomas ma...@apache.org changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |RESOLVED

[Bug 57129] Regression. Load WEB-INF/lib jarfiles in alphabetical order

https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57129 --- Comment #4 from Christopher Schultz ch...@christopherschultz.net --- (In reply to Jörgen Persson from comment #2) I found the problem running Linux Mint 17. On Windows 7 64 bit, the files seems to be ordered alphabetically. This has