Re: [Fedora-haskell-list] Taking ownership of haddock

2010-11-01 Thread Jens Petersen
- lakshminaras2...@gmail.com wrote: I intend to take ownership of haddock package. It is required for one other package (leksah, an IDE for Haskell) that I am planning to submit. Yes, I think that is fine. You will need to submit haddock for package review since it has been retired

Does anybody know how to contact Chris Ricker?

2010-11-01 Thread Jaroslav Skarvada
Does anybody know how to contact Chris Ricker (kaboom AT oobleck.net)? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554334 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=631825 and more Jaroslav -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

rawhide report: 20101101 changes

2010-11-01 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Mon Nov 1 08:15:05 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- 1:anjuta-2.31.90.0-3.fc15.i686 requires libvala-0.10.so.0 1:anjuta-2.31.90.0-3.fc15.x86_64 requires libvala-0.10.so.0()(64bit)

Re: Polyinstantiated /tmp

2010-11-01 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/31/2010 03:07 PM, Matt McCutchen wrote: On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 08:13 -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote: I have been trying to get system processes to stop using /tmp for years. http://danwalsh.livejournal.com/11467.html As some one who lives with

Re: rawhide report: 20101019 changes

2010-11-01 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 04:05:19PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 04:59:29PM +0200, Michal Hlavinka wrote: another benefit (not yet mentioned) is for filesystem encryption. I have / and /home encrypted and /usr not encrypted (for better performance of my laptop)

Re: -frecord-gcc-switches as default CFLAG?

2010-11-01 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On 10/30/2010 06:01 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 02:24:02AM -0400, Jon Stanley wrote: I noticed on my Fedora 13 box that in the RPM macro %__global_cflags that -frecord-gcc-switches is missing, which is a nifty compiler feature that will record the flags passed to gcc

Re: -frecord-gcc-switches as default CFLAG?

2010-11-01 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Tom spot Callaway tcall...@redhat.com wrote: On 10/30/2010 06:01 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 02:24:02AM -0400, Jon Stanley wrote: I noticed on my Fedora 13 box that in the RPM macro %__global_cflags that -frecord-gcc-switches is

Re: -frecord-gcc-switches as default CFLAG?

2010-11-01 Thread Jakub Jelinek
On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 09:04:12AM -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On 10/30/2010 06:01 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 02:24:02AM -0400, Jon Stanley wrote: I noticed on my Fedora 13 box that in the RPM macro %__global_cflags that -frecord-gcc-switches is missing, which

Re: RemoveSETUID feature (Was: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-10-26) NEW TIME!)

2010-11-01 Thread Paul Howarth
On 29/10/10 04:15, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: JN == Joe Nallj...@nall.com writes: JN On Oct 28, 2010, at 5:08 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: More to the point, I can easily see the setuid bit easily on a binary. How do I tell if these strange/hidden capabilities are present on a binary?

Re: Polyinstantiated /tmp

2010-11-01 Thread James Antill
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 15:07 -0400, Matt McCutchen wrote: On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 08:13 -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote: I have been trying to get system processes to stop using /tmp for years. http://danwalsh.livejournal.com/11467.html As some one who lives with polyinstatiated namespace

Package review template

2010-11-01 Thread Jean-Francois Saucier
Hi everyone, I just put my package review template on my wiki space at : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jfsaucier/Review_Template My template is simply a collection based on other's already existing template. What I did is I tried to put missing checks and sort them in an order that should

Re: Package review template

2010-11-01 Thread Stanislav Ochotnicky
On 11/01/2010 03:32 PM, Jean-Francois Saucier wrote: Hi everyone, I just put my package review template on my wiki space at : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jfsaucier/Review_Template I created something similar specifically for Java reviews with Java SIG members improving it bit by bit:

Re: RemoveSETUID feature (Was: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-10-26) NEW TIME!)

2010-11-01 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/01/2010 09:44 AM, Paul Howarth wrote: On 29/10/10 04:15, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: JN == Joe Nallj...@nall.com writes: JN On Oct 28, 2010, at 5:08 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: More to the point, I can easily see the setuid bit easily

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-01 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:16:41 -0400 Clyde E. Kunkel clydekunkel7...@cox.net wrote: On 10/31/2010 03:18 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: Okay, feedback time. Lately, there have been several attempts at urging proventesters (and not just testers in general) to give positive karma for aging

Re: Package review template

2010-11-01 Thread Jaroslav Skarvada
I plan to put up some scripts to automate part of the review process as soon as I have the time to finish them. Great idea. I hacked a little script some time ago. It may be a little outdated now, non optimally designed, but maybe something could be reused in your project:

Re: Package review template

2010-11-01 Thread Pierre-Yves
On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 15:58 +0100, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote: I plan to put up some scripts to automate part of the review process as soon as I have the time to finish them. Some time ago I put this together: http://project.pingoured.fr/reviewHelper/ The idea here is of course not to do

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken (was: Re: Heads Up - New Firefox update)

2010-11-01 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 02:18 +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Kevin, could you *please* not word things like that? There's just no need for it. I already wrote this to -test a couple of days ago: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-October/095135.html and we're

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken (was: Re: Heads Up - New Firefox update)

2010-11-01 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 03:54 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: There's exactly one constructive thing to do, it's repealing this set of policies (Critical Path and Update Acceptance Criteria) in its entirety. An update should go stable when the maintainer says so, karma should be purely

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken (was: Re: Heads Up - New Firefox update)

2010-11-01 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: Saying 'oh dear, this might not work, we'd better not try' is rarely a good approach, IMHO. It's better to try things, with the proviso that you accept when they aren't working and withdraw or modify them. I would agree

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken (was: Re: Heads Up - New Firefox update)

2010-11-01 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Adam Williamson píše v Po 01. 11. 2010 v 10:08 -0700: We designed a policy, put it into effect, now we're observing how well it works and we can modify its implementation on the fly. It doesn't need to be done in an adversarial spirit. Given that _this exact scenario_ was repeatedly

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken (was: Re: Heads Up - New Firefox update)

2010-11-01 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 18:29 +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On the other hand, other scenarios were also brought up, which have not come to pass - for instance, the same thing happening to Fedora 13 or Fedora 14. If we had simply accepted the predictions of doom and not implemented the

[Bug 648598] New: perl-Term-ProgressBar is missing a dependency on perl-TermReadKey

2010-11-01 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: perl-Term-ProgressBar is missing a dependency on perl-TermReadKey https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=648598 Summary: perl-Term-ProgressBar is missing

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken (was: Re: Heads Up - New Firefox update)

2010-11-01 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Adam Williamson píše v Po 01. 11. 2010 v 10:39 -0700: On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 18:29 +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: It's better to try things, with the proviso that you accept when they aren't working and withdraw or modify them. It's even better not to dismiss known problems with the policy,

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken (was: Re: Heads Up - New Firefox update)

2010-11-01 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 18:51 +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Sorry, but characterizing it as a 'known problem' is misleading. It's easy to forecast failure, and you'll likely always be correct in *some* cases if you forecast enough failures. Only if you precisely forecast only the failures

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken (was: Re: Heads Up - New Firefox update)

2010-11-01 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Adam Williamson píše v Po 01. 11. 2010 v 10:55 -0700: On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 18:51 +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Sorry, but characterizing it as a 'known problem' is misleading. It's easy to forecast failure, and you'll likely always be correct in *some* cases if you forecast enough

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken (was: Re: Heads Up - New Firefox update)

2010-11-01 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: On the other hand, other scenarios were also brought up, which have not come to pass - for instance, the same thing happening to Fedora 13 or Fedora 14. Nonsense. We just do not have enough evidence yet to show such things happening for F13 and F14. They CAN, and IMHO

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken (was: Re: Heads Up - New Firefox update)

2010-11-01 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: The policies prevented us from shipping a number of completely broken updates, which is exactly what they were intended to do. I don't have a command handy to do a search for rejected proposed critpath updates for F14, but if you figure it out, you can see the precise

Re: -frecord-gcc-switches as default CFLAG?

2010-11-01 Thread Jon Stanley
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Jakub Jelinek ja...@redhat.com wrote: -frecord-gcc-switches is unfortunately pretty much useless, see http://gcc.gnu.org/PR32998.  Please don't add it, we want something actually usable, not this option. Isn't it more useful in this state than not having the

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken (was: Re: Heads Up - New Firefox update)

2010-11-01 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 19:26:43 +0100 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: They also let several completely broken updates through and then delayed the FIXES for those updates, exactly as I had been warning about all the time. Cite(s)? For example, my firstboot update which was required

Re: RemoveSETUID feature (Was: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-10-26) NEW TIME!)

2010-11-01 Thread Paul Howarth
On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:04:09 -0400 Daniel J Walsh dwa...@redhat.com wrote: On 11/01/2010 09:44 AM, Paul Howarth wrote: On 29/10/10 04:15, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: JN == Joe Nallj...@nall.com writes: JN On Oct 28, 2010, at 5:08 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: More to the point, I

Re: Package review template

2010-11-01 Thread Garrett Holmstrom
On 11/1/2010 9:32, Jean-Francois Saucier wrote: I just put my package review template on my wiki space at : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jfsaucier/Review_Template [ ] SourceX is a working URL. [ ] SourceX / PatchY prefixed with %{name}. [ ] Final provides and requires are sane (rpm -q

[Bug 647783] perl-Mail-Box shouldn't force spamassassin to be installed

2010-11-01 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647783 Tom spot Callaway tcall...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added

Re: RemoveSETUID feature (Was: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-10-26) NEW TIME!)

2010-11-01 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 07:19:15PM +, Paul Howarth wrote: Any suggestions? We've encountered some funny things about tmpfs before: It doesn't support O_DIRECT at all, for example, necessitating workarounds in libguestfs/qemu. Just speculating, but maybe it doesn't support extended

Re: RemoveSETUID feature

2010-11-01 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
Yeah, it looks like the capabilities thing has broken my buildsystem: Error unpacking rpm package iputils-20101006-2.fc15.x86_64 error: unpacking of archive failed on file /bin/ping: cpio: cap_set_file failed - Operation not supported Error unpacking rpm package

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken (was: Re: Heads Up - New Firefox update)

2010-11-01 Thread Henrik Nordström
mån 2010-11-01 klockan 10:09 -0700 skrev Adam Williamson: I disagree. The evidence you cite does not support this conclusion. We implemented the policies for three releases. There are significant problems with one release. This does not justify the conclusion that the policies should be

Detecting systems booting with GRUB2 in anaconda

2010-11-01 Thread alekcejk
Hi, I was asked about problem with installing Fedora 13 on a machine that is dual booting Windows 7 and another distro using GRUB2. There is nothing about GRUB2 in Installation Guide http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/13/html/Installation_Guide/s1-x86-bootloader.html To add, remove, or

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-10-26) NEW TIME!

2010-11-01 Thread Henrik Nordström
fre 2010-10-29 klockan 08:32 -0400 skrev James Antill: I don't think you need to display them, just display something that says this is more than it seems ... like ACLs. Something as simple as -rwcr-xr-x. instead of -rwsr-xr-x. for setuid. I.e. kind of like what ls --color does? Regards

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken (was: Re: Heads Up - New Firefox update)

2010-11-01 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 22:54 +0100, Henrik Nordström wrote: mån 2010-11-01 klockan 10:09 -0700 skrev Adam Williamson: I disagree. The evidence you cite does not support this conclusion. We implemented the policies for three releases. There are significant problems with one release. This

Re: Detecting systems booting with GRUB2 in anaconda

2010-11-01 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 10:00 PM, alekc...@googlemail.com wrote: There is nothing about GRUB2 in Installation Guide I'm not sure why there would be an expectation that their would be. Fedora doesn't use Grub2. There are many possible bootloaders that could be on a system. Do we mention any of

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken (was: Re: Heads Up - New Firefox update)

2010-11-01 Thread Henrik Nordström
mån 2010-11-01 klockan 15:12 -0700 skrev Adam Williamson: This is a reasonable modification of the idea that an update should only require karma for one release (which would be nice if it were true but unfortunately isn't). In practice, though, there isn't much wiggle room for requiring

Re: Detecting systems booting with GRUB2 in anaconda

2010-11-01 Thread alekcejk
What can expect user that have system booting with GRUB2 and installing Fedora? It is natural to expect that after Fedora installation will be bootable both systems Fedora and other distro. But if GRUB2 can not be detected there should be some kind of warning about that. This is the reason why

Re: Detecting systems booting with GRUB2 in anaconda

2010-11-01 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 10:32 PM, alekc...@googlemail.com wrote: Fedora 14 Installation Guide have some mention about GRUB2 but it is still not clear is anaconda capable to detect it. http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/14/html/Installation_Guide/s1-x86-bootloader.html There is one

Re: Getting users to test updates

2010-11-01 Thread Henrik Nordström
[changing topic to split this out to it's own thread] mån 2010-11-01 klockan 15:12 -0700 skrev Adam Williamson: We also need some obvious ways where users in general can subscribe to testing updates of stuff that they care about, to expand the userbase that performs testing of updates.

coming libnotify bump

2010-11-01 Thread Matthias Clasen
I am planning to push libnotify 0.7.0 into rawhide by the end of this week; this is going to be a little painful, since there are some api changes that will require minor adjustment of all users. And there's quite a few of them (see below). I will hopefully be able to handle most of the GNOME