Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 01:36:43AM +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 11/06/2010 12:21 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 03:16:11PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) said: Has anyone looked into bringing Wayland to Fedora? If not

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Camilo Mesias
If I wanted to step back to the pre-net era, I'd run Windows. I wonder if there will be someone saying (when all the apps are native Wayland apps) If I wanted to step back to the pre-stetic* era, I'd run X I get the impression that comparing current Fedora and Linux in general running on varied

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 04:17:59 +, Jóhann wrote: On 11/06/2010 02:11 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 11/05/2010 10:06 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 23:58:21 +, Jóhann wrote: On behalf of all reporters that have never received a response from a maintainer on a

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 11/06/2010 01:53 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 11/05/2010 09:46 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 17:56:51 +0100, Ralf wrote: ABRT It doesn't tell the user that core dumps without reproducer are worthless in most cases but blindly sends out reports Parts of the

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 15:15:36 -0700, Adam wrote: On Fri, 2010-11-05 at 23:09 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 13:45:37 -0700, Adam wrote: Something is terribly wrong here, if reporter adjusts F12 - F13 - F14 over a period of N months in reply to the automated

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 04:17:59 +, Jóhann wrote: On 11/06/2010 02:11 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 11/05/2010 10:06 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 23:58:21 +, Jóhann wrote: On behalf of all reporters that have never received a response from a maintainer on a

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 09:20:08AM +, Camilo Mesias wrote: If I wanted to step back to the pre-net era, I'd run Windows. I wonder if there will be someone saying (when all the apps are native Wayland apps) If I wanted to step back to the pre-stetic* era, I'd run X I get the

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 12:23:00 +0200, Alexander wrote: How can you expect a maintainer to fix/respond to hundreds of bugs and not expect the user to verify his/her bug still applies? Have you noticed how many ticket EOL warnings some users receive all of a sudden? They may be able to pay

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 12:23:00 +0200, Alexander wrote: How can you expect a maintainer to fix/respond to hundreds of bugs and not expect the user to verify his/her bug still applies? Have you noticed how many ticket EOL warnings some users receive all of a sudden? They may be able to pay

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 12:23:00 +0200, Alexander wrote: How can you expect a maintainer to fix/respond to hundreds of bugs and not expect the user to verify his/her bug still applies? Have you noticed how many ticket EOL warnings some users receive all of a sudden? They may be able to

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Camilo Mesias
Is Fedora for developers or what? If it is exclusively for developers with the exclusion of general purpose features such as web browsing, photo management, and multimedia consumption then I'll have to find a more general purpose OS. I count myself as a developer but concede that I have a life

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 11:51:37AM +, Camilo Mesias wrote: Is Fedora for developers or what? If it is exclusively for developers with the exclusion of general purpose features such as web browsing, photo management, and multimedia consumption then I'll have to find a more general

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 01:36:24PM +0200, Alexander Kurtakov wrote: On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 12:23:00 +0200, Alexander wrote: How can you expect a maintainer to fix/respond to hundreds of bugs and not expect the user to verify his/her bug still applies? Have you noticed how many ticket EOL

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 12:23:00PM +0200, Alexander Kurtakov wrote: Why does everyone want to put more and more burden on maintainers and arguing about small things that users should do? How can you expect a maintainer to fix/respond to hundreds of bugs and not expect the user to verify

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Camilo Mesias
I believe it is possible to do photo management, web browsing and watching video, even on the current version of Fedora. Indeed. It's not the point that it's possible or not. I could do much of that on a Windows 3.11 machine... Be honest with yourself, is it every bit as good as the experience

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 01:51:32PM +, Camilo Mesias wrote: I believe it is possible to do photo management, web browsing and watching video, even on the current version of Fedora. Indeed. It's not the point that it's possible or not. I could do much of that on a Windows 3.11 machine...

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le samedi 06 novembre 2010 à 10:57 +, Richard W.M. Jones a écrit : Is Fedora for developers or what? We want to ditch extremely useful, ground-breaking features because of tearing when scrolling in a browser window? Well it would be mightily nice to have an infrastructure that can

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 03:07:04PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le samedi 06 novembre 2010 à 10:57 +, Richard W.M. Jones a écrit : Is Fedora for developers or what? We want to ditch extremely useful, ground-breaking features because of tearing when scrolling in a browser window?

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 01:36:24PM +0200, Alexander Kurtakov wrote: On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 12:23:00 +0200, Alexander wrote: How can you expect a maintainer to fix/respond to hundreds of bugs and not expect the user to verify his/her bug still applies? Have you noticed how many

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Camilo Mesias
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 01:51:32PM +, Camilo Mesias wrote: I believe it is possible to do photo management, web browsing and watching video, even on the current version of Fedora. Indeed. It's not the point that

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 13:36:24 +0200, Alexander wrote: Hmm, let's switch user with maintainer? Have you noticed how many new tickets some maintainers receive all of a sudden? In general or because of the EOL script creating a flood? ;) Who classifies whether an incoming bug report is

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 13:38:36 +0200, Alexander wrote: Oh and I forgot to add this: If you think it is discouraging for the user do get his bug autoclosed, why do you think it is not discouraging for the maintainer to ask questions and noone answers them? Perhaps read my other replies

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Pierre Carrier
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 13:51, Camilo Mesias cam...@mesias.co.uk wrote: With virtualization I have more Linux machines than ever (about 50 in active use at last count).  All on my local 1GB network.  Consequently I use X to them and to other physical machines _all the time_. If there is no way

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Mark Bidewell
Out of interest, do you use individual shells/terms or something that provides a more remote desktop like experience? I use ssh -Y.  Anything that sits in a huge window showing an entire desktop-in-a-desktop is so obviously the wrong way to do it, from both a usability and efficiency

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Ben Boeckel
Camilo Mesias cam...@mesias.co.uk wrote: [..] As much as I love Nouveau's freeness, last time I checked I couldn't even run gnome shell on it. I was doing that back in November[1]. --Ben [1]http://blipper.dev.benboeckel.net/one-soap-box/2009/11/03/gnome-day-2-gnome-shell/ -- devel mailing

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le samedi 06 novembre 2010 à 14:21 +, Richard W.M. Jones a écrit : Why throw away everything just so we can make input better? Because those are just the examples I know where X11 has been blocking progress for *years*. I'm sure there are lots of others. (And in any case wasn't evdev

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Camilo Mesias
Hi, On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Ben Boeckel maths...@gmail.com wrote: Camilo Mesias cam...@mesias.co.uk wrote: [..] As much as I love Nouveau's freeness, last time I checked I couldn't even run gnome shell on it. I was doing that back in November[1]. --Ben

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Ben Boeckel
Camilo Mesias cam...@mesias.co.uk wrote: Hi, On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Ben Boeckel maths...@gmail.com wrote: Camilo Mesias cam...@mesias.co.uk wrote: [..] As much as I love Nouveau's freeness, last time I checked I couldn't even run gnome shell on it. I was doing that back in

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 11/06/2010 04:16 PM, Mark Bidewell wrote: Out of interest, do you use individual shells/terms or something that provides a more remote desktop like experience? I use ssh -Y. Anything that sits in a huge window showing an entire desktop-in-a-desktop is so obviously the wrong way to do it,

File Params-Classify-0.012.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by iarnell

2010-11-06 Thread Iain Arnell
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Params-Classify: 07c11d0a78a07d4431f9c6d12398ce0d Params-Classify-0.012.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Params-Classify] initial import

2010-11-06 Thread Iain Arnell
commit 7d7e3f44875f32e3b439d8abcb8f2e81a29a7308 Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com Date: Sat Nov 6 07:47:11 2010 +0100 initial import .gitignore|1 + perl-Params-Classify.spec | 59 + sources |1 +

[perl-Params-Classify] clarify ExtUtils::ParseXS build requirement version

2010-11-06 Thread Iain Arnell
commit 856d2da8bc1f9d29f08a8e9dad8a9a30902c39a3 Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com Date: Sat Nov 6 07:49:11 2010 +0100 clarify ExtUtils::ParseXS build requirement version perl-Params-Classify.spec |7 ++- 1 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git

[perl-Params-Classify/f14/master] (2 commits) ...clarify ExtUtils::ParseXS build requirement version

2010-11-06 Thread Iain Arnell
Summary of changes: 7d7e3f4... initial import (*) 856d2da... clarify ExtUtils::ParseXS build requirement version (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list

File Catalyst-Action-REST-0.87.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by iarnell

2010-11-06 Thread Iain Arnell
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[perl-Catalyst-Action-REST] update to 0.87

2010-11-06 Thread Iain Arnell
commit 0e1c038973c72ff86e72654693b16f0319924351 Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com Date: Sat Nov 6 11:54:34 2010 +0100 update to 0.87 .gitignore |1 + perl-Catalyst-Action-REST.spec |9 +++-- sources|2 +- 3 files changed, 9

[perl-Try-Tiny/el6/master] Update to 0.07

2010-11-06 Thread Paul Howarth
commit 6665e725e01184d73291670aae2c78d28c4b7426 Author: Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org Date: Sat Nov 6 13:21:51 2010 + Update to 0.07 - New upstream release 0.07: - Allow multiple finally blocks - Pass the error, if any, to finally blocks when called -

[perl-Try-Tiny] Created tag perl-Try-Tiny-0.07-1.el6

2010-11-06 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Try-Tiny-0.07-1.el6' was created pointing to: 6665e72... Update to 0.07 -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/perl-devel

[perl-Test-Fatal/el6/master] Initial import of perl-Test-Fatal 0.003-1

2010-11-06 Thread Paul Howarth
Summary of changes: 781ff92... Initial import of perl-Test-Fatal 0.003-1 (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Test-Fatal] Created tag perl-Test-Fatal-0.003-1.el6

2010-11-06 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Test-Fatal-0.003-1.el6' was created pointing to: 781ff92... Initial import of perl-Test-Fatal 0.003-1 -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[Bug 650459] New: perl-JavaScript-Minifier-XS-0.09 is available

2010-11-06 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: perl-JavaScript-Minifier-XS-0.09 is available https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=650459 Summary: perl-JavaScript-Minifier-XS-0.09 is available

[Bug 645060] perl-JSON-2.27 is available

2010-11-06 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=645060 Upstream Release Monitoring upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org changed: What|Removed

[Bug 650460] New: perl-Test-Smoke-1.44 is available

2010-11-06 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: perl-Test-Smoke-1.44 is available https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=650460 Summary: perl-Test-Smoke-1.44 is available Product: Fedora