request for intel driver update in rawhide

2010-11-09 Thread Rudolf Kastl
Hello, I wanted to point out that about a month and a half ago intel released a new driver version 2.13.0. Could we please have an update in rawhide? kind regards, Rudolf Kastl -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: What are differences between real and rpmbuild's environment?

2010-11-09 Thread Michal Hlavinka
On Monday, November 08, 2010 16:26:22 Rex Dieter wrote: Michal Hlavinka wrote: I'm trying to find out what are differences between environment for local rpm build and usual user's environment. You mean the difference between rpmbuild and... a manual ./configure; make? something like that

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Jon Masters
On Sat, 2010-11-06 at 08:43 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 01:36:43AM +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 11/06/2010 12:21 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 03:16:11PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com)

Re: What are differences between real and rpmbuild's environment?

2010-11-09 Thread Michal Hlavinka
On Monday, November 08, 2010 19:34:14 Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 03:49:28PM +0100, Michal Hlavinka wrote: I'm trying to find out what are differences between environment for local rpm build and usual user's environment. I've added regression tests to %check section of

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 11/09/2010 10:05 AM, Jon Masters wrote: On Sat, 2010-11-06 at 08:43 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 01:36:43AM +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 11/06/2010 12:21 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 03:16:11PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:

Re: fedora 14: pulseaudio eating cpu and memory without reason...

2010-11-09 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Sat, 2010-11-06 at 21:43 +0200, Marius Andreiana wrote: Hi, Even when not playing any audio, pulseaudio uses CPU and memory PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND 2257 marius20 0 941m 7524 3188 S 2.9 0.4 14:22.57 chrome 2956

[perl-Class-ISA/f14/master] Increase release number to be higher than perl one

2010-11-09 Thread Petr Pisar
Summary of changes: 2c7f08b... Increase release number to be higher than perl one (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Mock question

2010-11-09 Thread Rasmus Ory Nielsen
Den 09-11-2010 13:56, Brendan Jones skrev: On 11/09/2010 10:48 PM, Rasmus Ory Nielsen wrote: Unfortunately yum-builddep doesn't work for me. I need to be able to change $releasever and enabled repositories (hence the mock config file). Is that possible with yum-builddep? You could try

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 02:50:15PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2010-11-06 at 16:41 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Really, I have no problem using my keyboard, Given your location and native language, I suspect your keyboard layout is en_US, in which case this isn't much of a

Mock question

2010-11-09 Thread Rasmus Ory Nielsen
Hi, Given a SRPM file and a mock config file, how do I get a list of all missing buildrequires for this SRPM? Is it possible using the command line tools, or do I need to use the python api? I looked at the yum/mock api and it seemed a bit overwhelming. Thanks in advance. Regards, Rasmus --

[perl-Class-ISA] Increase release number to be higher than perl one

2010-11-09 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 2c7f08beedcecd8e5a8e302661a1fbd55fb5a727 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Tue Nov 9 11:50:49 2010 +0100 Increase release number to be higher than perl one Unbundled Class::ISA should be preferred. perl-Class-ISA.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4

Re: What are differences between real and rpmbuild's environment?

2010-11-09 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 10:07:05AM +0100, Michal Hlavinka wrote: tried, but there does not seem to be significant difference. Also the %check script I used was the same script rpmbuild creates from the %check section (in /var/tmp/rpm*) and it defines the same environment:

Re: Mock question

2010-11-09 Thread Brendan Jones
On 11/09/2010 10:33 PM, Rasmus Ory Nielsen wrote: Hi, Given a SRPM file and a mock config file, how do I get a list of all missing buildrequires for this SRPM? Is it possible using the command line tools, or do I need to use the python api? I looked at the yum/mock api and it seemed a bit

Re: Mock question

2010-11-09 Thread Rasmus Ory Nielsen
Hi, Den 09-11-2010 13:37, Brendan Jones skrev: On 11/09/2010 10:33 PM, Rasmus Ory Nielsen wrote: Hi, Given a SRPM file and a mock config file, how do I get a list of all missing buildrequires for this SRPM? Is it possible using the command line tools, or do I need to use the python api?

Re: request for intel driver update in rawhide

2010-11-09 Thread Rudolf Kastl
2010/11/9 Jason L Tibbitts III ti...@math.uh.edu: RK == Rudolf Kastl che...@gmail.com writes: RK Hello, I wanted to point out that about a month and a half ago intel RK released a new driver version 2.13.0. Could we please have an update RK in rawhide? Currently rawhide seems to be at

Re: Mock question

2010-11-09 Thread Brendan Jones
On 11/09/2010 10:48 PM, Rasmus Ory Nielsen wrote: Unfortunately yum-builddep doesn't work for me. I need to be able to change $releasever and enabled repositories (hence the mock config file). Is that possible with yum-builddep? You could try something like: mock -r fedora-14-i386

Re: request for intel driver update in rawhide

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 08:00 -0600, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: RK == Rudolf Kastl che...@gmail.com writes: RK http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=7794 RK guess you pulled that somewhere else. fedpkg co xorg-x11-drv-intel; less xorg-x11-drv-intel/*spec 2.13.901 wasn't

Re: request for intel driver update in rawhide

2010-11-09 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
RK == Rudolf Kastl che...@gmail.com writes: RK Hello, I wanted to point out that about a month and a half ago intel RK released a new driver version 2.13.0. Could we please have an update RK in rawhide? Currently rawhide seems to be at 2.13.901, a development version past the one you are

Re: request for intel driver update in rawhide

2010-11-09 Thread Rudolf Kastl
2010/11/9 Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com: On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 08:00 -0600, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: RK == Rudolf Kastl che...@gmail.com writes: RK http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=7794 RK guess you pulled that somewhere else. fedpkg co xorg-x11-drv-intel; less

Re: What are differences between real and rpmbuild's environment?

2010-11-09 Thread Andreas Schwab
Michal Hlavinka mhlav...@redhat.com writes: So it seems rpmbuild has a bug and breaks sigpipe somehow... Perhaps it leaves it ignored? You can check with /proc/$$/status. $ (trap '' SIGPIPE; bash x.sh) early termination not causing broken Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, sch...@redhat.com GPG

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Jon Masters
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 16:09 +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 11/09/2010 10:05 AM, Jon Masters wrote: On Sat, 2010-11-06 at 08:43 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 01:36:43AM +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 11/06/2010 12:21 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:

Re: What are differences between real and rpmbuild's environment?

2010-11-09 Thread Panu Matilainen
On Tue, 9 Nov 2010, Michal Hlavinka wrote: On Monday, November 08, 2010 15:49:28 Michal Hlavinka wrote: Hi, I'm trying to find out what are differences between environment for local rpm build and usual user's environment. I've added regression tests to %check section of ksh spec file. These

Re: What are differences between real and rpmbuild's environment?

2010-11-09 Thread Michal Hlavinka
On Monday, November 08, 2010 15:49:28 Michal Hlavinka wrote: Hi, I'm trying to find out what are differences between environment for local rpm build and usual user's environment. I've added regression tests to %check section of ksh spec file. These tests never fails when executed in user's

debugging build hang in koji ?

2010-11-09 Thread Caolán McNamara
So, local mock x86_64 builds work just fine. But AFAICS the build just hangs in fairly random places when put through x86_64 koji, anyone got any good ideas about how to find out even what process is hung ? e.g. http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/getfile?taskID=2589336name=build.logoffset=-4000

Re: request for intel driver update in rawhide

2010-11-09 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
RK == Rudolf Kastl che...@gmail.com writes: RK http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=7794 RK guess you pulled that somewhere else. fedpkg co xorg-x11-drv-intel; less xorg-x11-drv-intel/*spec - J -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: debugging build hang in koji ?

2010-11-09 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
A few folks have sufficient access to log into the builders and strace things if necessary. You're welcome to ping me on IRC. - J -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: debugging build hang in koji ?

2010-11-09 Thread Andreas Schwab
Caolán McNamara caol...@redhat.com writes: time taken was 0.004 seconds zip warning: help.jar not found or empty adding: com.sun.PresenterScreen-linux_x86_64/presenter.xhp (deflated 81%) and nothing else. Perhaps some ENOSPC condition? Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab,

Re: What are differences between real and rpmbuild's environment?

2010-11-09 Thread Michal Hlavinka
On Tuesday, November 09, 2010 16:30:17 Panu Matilainen wrote: On Tue, 9 Nov 2010, Michal Hlavinka wrote: On Monday, November 08, 2010 15:49:28 Michal Hlavinka wrote: Hi, I'm trying to find out what are differences between environment for local rpm build and usual user's environment.

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/9/10 8:23 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: I've seen the responses on the Wayland list, and it's always Wayland isn't intended to do that. So, there's no point raising objections there. The risk is that Wayland gets developed and a bunch of key applications in Fedora get broken. The Wayland

Re: Why should I ever bother filing another bug?

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 02:48 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: On 2010/11/09 07:39 (GMT+0100) David Tardon composed: Btw, maybe you should look at the proverb in your signature and try to apply it to yourself. Because in this thread you have neither shown understanding nor used pleasant words.

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 04:05 -0500, Jon Masters wrote: And what happens when all the apps are native Wayland apps and none of those can be run remotely? If I wanted to step back to the pre-net era, I'd run Windows. +1 for bringing these points up. No offense to krh (because it's nice

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 12:29 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 02:50:15PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2010-11-06 at 16:41 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Really, I have no problem using my keyboard, Given your location and native language, I

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Andrew Haley
On 11/09/2010 03:57 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: On 11/9/10 7:23 AM, Jon Masters wrote: At which point, it's too late. Unless Server-y people point out that things like network apps actually matter, the default path may be to do what will look nice on a local desktop (for the record, I can see

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 04:05 -0500, Jon Masters wrote: +1 for bringing these points up. No offense to krh (because it's nice technology) but you can pull my genuine networked applications from my cold dead hands. I agree that I see this ongoing trend to move toward things that are fluffy and

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 04:05 -0500, Jon Masters wrote: +1 for bringing these points up. No offense to krh (because it's nice technology) but you can pull my genuine networked applications from my cold dead hands. I agree that

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 11:44 -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: I think we'd like to see the Fedora community figure out its position on the subject— so that it can tell the Wayland developers If you continue on this track, then as things stand, Fedora will not be making it a part of the default

Re: Why should I ever bother filing another bug?

2010-11-09 Thread seth vidal
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 08:45 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: So, once more for the cheap seats: *why* do you think closing an older bug as a dupe of a newer one is a respect issue? What's the big problem with it? As a devel - I've found that I close bugs as dupes of other bugs and I try to have

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 10:23:22AM -0500, Jon Masters wrote: At which point, it's too late. Unless Server-y people I object strongly to this perception that nobody involved in developing desktop technologies has any idea what server admins want. What we're seeing is the development of

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread seth vidal
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 17:25 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 10:23:22AM -0500, Jon Masters wrote: At which point, it's too late. Unless Server-y people I object strongly to this perception that nobody involved in developing desktop technologies has any idea what server

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Andrew Haley
On 11/09/2010 05:13 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 11:44 -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: I think we'd like to see the Fedora community figure out its position on the subject— so that it can tell the Wayland developers If you continue on this track, then as things stand, Fedora

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Andrew Haley
On 11/09/2010 04:49 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 04:05 -0500, Jon Masters wrote: And what happens when all the apps are native Wayland apps and none of those can be run remotely? If I wanted to step back to the pre-net era, I'd run Windows. +1 for bringing these points

Re: Why should I ever bother filing another bug?

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 12:16 -0500, seth vidal wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 08:45 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: So, once more for the cheap seats: *why* do you think closing an older bug as a dupe of a newer one is a respect issue? What's the big problem with it? As a devel - I've found

Re: Why should I ever bother filing another bug?

2010-11-09 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Adam Williamson wrote: Only point to note is that it would definitely be a good thing to fix Bugzilla to merge the CC lists, I'll file a bug on that. =) Filed 9 years ago: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108983 Or 1 year ago: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=523634 --

Re: Why should I ever bother filing another bug?

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 11:49 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: Only point to note is that it would definitely be a good thing to fix Bugzilla to merge the CC lists, I'll file a bug on that. =) Filed 9 years ago: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108983

SWI Prolog is gone from F13 and F14

2010-11-09 Thread Joel
Is anyone interested in resurrecting SWI Prolog? I just noticed that it was dropped from F13 and F14. The version in F12 was 5.7.11, the current version is 5.10.2 according to: http://www.swi-prolog.org/ The previous packager was Gerard Milmeister.

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Bill Nottingham
Gregory Maxwell (gmaxw...@gmail.com) said: So, You are, in short, scared. ... I think this is a rather unfair characterization. I don't know about that. Something new is discussed, and not everyone understands it, and they have concerns about how it may handle some particular cases.

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn denni...@conversis.de wrote: Then why are people already calling for the rejection of Wayland even though Wayland is still far from being finished and hasn't even touched Fedora yet. raising concerns != screaming the sky is falling

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread seth vidal
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 13:27 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) said: B/c the perception I get is that only the desktop-oriented folks know what users want or need and the server-oriented folks do not. I think that's in error, too. In fact, us

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 17:40 +, Andrew Haley wrote: I'm wondering of I'm reading this correctly. The downsides that have been described are quite severe in contrast to the possible benefits. It is, of course, possible that a mistake has been made, and the acute loss of functionality is

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Brian Wheeler
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 19:12 +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 11/09/2010 06:12 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Adam Jacksona...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 04:05 -0500, Jon Masters wrote: +1 for bringing these points up. No offense to krh

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Jeff Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote: wayland...when they feel its ready. By introducing it for discussion before they were ready to engage in that discussion you've actually made it more difficult for the discussion to move forward as you've taken away their

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 12:12 -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: Remoting a wayland application is _trivial_. Either to an X or to a wayland view system. It's hard to make wayland remoting less flexible than X over the network, since the natural remoting level (surface updates) is basically

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 13:43 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: - All my X apps have to be ported! Yes, if they want to be native wayland clients, they do. Minor correction (I think?) - the apps don't really need to be ported, the toolkits do. Once GTK+ is ported to Wayland, fr'instance, all GTK+

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 13:47 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 12:12 -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: Remoting a wayland application is _trivial_. Either to an X or to a wayland view system. It's hard to make wayland remoting less flexible than X over the network, since

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Brian Wheeler
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 13:47 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 12:12 -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: Remoting a wayland application is _trivial_. Either to an X or to a wayland view system. It's hard to make wayland remoting less flexible than X over the network, since

Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-11-10)

2010-11-09 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting tomorrow at 18:30UTC (1:30pm EDT) in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. = Followups = #topic Updates policy #351 Create a policy for updates - status report on implementation https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/351

Re: Why should I ever bother filing another bug?

2010-11-09 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, On 11/09/2010 07:14 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 11:49 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: Only point to note is that it would definitely be a good thing to fix Bugzilla to merge the CC lists, I'll file a bug on that. =) Filed 9 years ago:

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Casey Dahlin
On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 01:44:19PM -0500, Brian Wheeler wrote: And where does that sit in the architecture? Looking over the architecture page (2nd figure) it looks like the only way to get the kind of network transparency that X has under Wayland is to put the network between the Wayland

Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-11-10)

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 12:02 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting tomorrow at 18:30UTC (1:30pm EDT) in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. = Followups = #topic Updates policy #351 Create a policy for updates - status

Re: Why should I ever bother filing another bug?

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 20:06 +0100, Hans de Goede wrote: Hi, On 11/09/2010 07:14 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 11:49 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: Only point to note is that it would definitely be a good thing to fix Bugzilla to merge the CC

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Andrew Haley
On 11/09/2010 06:43 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 17:40 +, Andrew Haley wrote: I'm wondering of I'm reading this correctly. The downsides that have been described are quite severe in contrast to the possible benefits. It is, of course, possible that a mistake has been

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn denni...@conversis.de wrote: On 11/09/2010 06:12 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: I've mostly been watching here and I think people have been fairly clearly about their concerns: Network transparency is important to them, and they understand that

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 10:54 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 13:43 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: - All my X apps have to be ported! Yes, if they want to be native wayland clients, they do. Minor correction (I think?) - the apps don't really need to be ported, the

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Brian Wheeler
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 14:05 -0500, Casey Dahlin wrote: On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 01:44:19PM -0500, Brian Wheeler wrote: And where does that sit in the architecture? Looking over the architecture page (2nd figure) it looks like the only way to get the kind of network transparency that X

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Brian Wheeler
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 14:19 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 14:01 -0500, Brian Wheeler wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 13:47 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: And I'm saying you can get the network remoting effect you like in X, in Wayland. It's not built into the local Wayland

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 14:12 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: To the extent that those apps call (and link) only against the toolkit and not against an assumed backend, sure. The strict linking changes in F12 or F13 or whichever it was helped a lot with this, and gtk3 will help more, but to pick an

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Brian Wheeler
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 14:24 -0500, Casey Dahlin wrote: On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 02:14:32PM -0500, Brian Wheeler wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 14:05 -0500, Casey Dahlin wrote: On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 01:44:19PM -0500, Brian Wheeler wrote: And where does that sit in the architecture?

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Andrew Haley a...@redhat.com wrote: OK, so it's likely that everything will just continue to work remotely, and people won't experience any problems.  And they won't have to run VNC just to get their favourite app to display remotely. If this had been explained

Re: Why should I ever bother filing another bug?

2010-11-09 Thread Felix Miata
On 2010/11/09 08:45 (GMT-0800) Adam Williamson composed: There isn't a prize system for bug reports. Actually there is. When someone files a good bug, as opposed to one that requires more than trivial attention due to significant missing or invalid information, achieving fixed status is an

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com said: - We lose network transparency! Well, sure, the protocol doesn't have that directly. You can still do vnc-like things trivially and with a VNC-like remoting is a significant loss for server environments compared to X-like remoting. With an

[Bug 561389] amavisd-new always reports Shutting down amavisd: Daemon [19248] terminated by SIGTERM

2010-11-09 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=561389 --- Comment #12 from Sandro Janke bugzilla_red...@penguinpee.nl 2010-11-09 14:34:42 EST --- (In reply to comment #9) (In reply

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 13:34 -0600, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com said: - We lose network transparency! Well, sure, the protocol doesn't have that directly. You can still do vnc-like things trivially and with a VNC-like remoting is a significant loss

Re: Why should I ever bother filing another bug?

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 14:33 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: On 2010/11/09 08:45 (GMT-0800) Adam Williamson composed: There isn't a prize system for bug reports. Actually there is. When someone files a good bug, as opposed to one that requires more than trivial attention due to significant

Re: Why should I ever bother filing another bug?

2010-11-09 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: Actually there is. When someone files a good bug, as opposed to one that requires more than trivial attention due to significant missing or invalid information, achieving fixed status is an informal statement that the

[389-devel] Please review: [Bug 651571] When attrcrypt is on, entrydn is stored in the backend db

2010-11-09 Thread Noriko Hosoi
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=651571 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=459236action=diff https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=459236action=edit Description: If an entry contains a to-be-encrypted attribute, id2entry_add_ext handles a copy of the entry in

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Casey Dahlin
On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 02:28:10PM -0500, Brian Wheeler wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 14:24 -0500, Casey Dahlin wrote: On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 02:14:32PM -0500, Brian Wheeler wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 14:05 -0500, Casey Dahlin wrote: On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 01:44:19PM -0500, Brian

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 08:53:36AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: well, I imagine you know more about this than me, but I run with Japanese input support at least occasionally, and my impression is that a lot of it is a fragile tower necessitated by the fact that the deep underlying stuff was

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 01:43:06PM -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: - We lose network transparency! Well, sure, the protocol doesn't have that directly. You can still do vnc-like things trivially and with a modest amount of additional wayland protocol (or just inter-client conventions) you can do

Re: nouveau gnome-shell (was: Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland)

2010-11-09 Thread Camilo Mesias
I'm using the experimental 3d now with gnome shell. After a few days, it seems like it performs OK although it locks up for a few seconds now and then. It seems to recover and I can't see any obvious log messages around the time of the freeze. It does survive suspend/resume, which is great. My

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 11/09/2010 07:33 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn denni...@conversis.de wrote: Then why are people already calling for the rejection of Wayland even though Wayland is still far from being finished and hasn't even touched Fedora yet. raising

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Casey Dahlin
On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 09:03:38PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 01:43:06PM -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: - We lose network transparency! Well, sure, the protocol doesn't have that directly. You can still do vnc-like things trivially and with a modest amount of

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 17:55 +, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: Remoting a wayland application is _trivial_. Either to an X or to a wayland view system. It's hard to make wayland remoting less flexible than X over the network,

Re: nouveau gnome-shell (was: Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland)

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 21:05 +, Camilo Mesias wrote: I'm using the experimental 3d now with gnome shell. After a few days, it seems like it performs OK although it locks up for a few seconds now and then. It seems to recover and I can't see any obvious log messages around the time of the

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 04:17:25PM -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: The UX will probably be somewhere between ssh -Y, vncserver(1), and: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=651591 Hopefully with a better security model than 'ssh -Y'? If this has Xpra-like functionality (i.e. screen for X)

Re: Mock question

2010-11-09 Thread Rasmus Ory Nielsen
Hi Seth, Den 09-11-2010 15:05, seth vidal skrev: Unfortunately yum-builddep doesn't work for me. I need to be able to change $releasever and enabled repositories (hence the mock config file). Is that possible with yum-builddep? yum-builddep --releasever --disablerepo='*'

Re: Why should I ever bother filing another bug?

2010-11-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/09/2010 07:50 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: In practice, we run very few metrics on Bugzilla This is the problem we should be gather all kinds of bug metrics and general component activity from bugzilla. This is very vital information for QA group to harvest and have. ( without it we cant

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn denni...@conversis.de wrote: No. I'm sorry but it's fundamentaly unfair to hold me responsible for the behaviour of others. If you think this shouldn't have been brought up fine but if others decide to draw premature conclusions from this

Re: Mock question

2010-11-09 Thread seth vidal
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 22:29 +0100, Rasmus Ory Nielsen wrote: Hi Seth, Den 09-11-2010 15:05, seth vidal skrev: Unfortunately yum-builddep doesn't work for me. I need to be able to change $releasever and enabled repositories (hence the mock config file). Is that possible with

Re: nouveau gnome-shell (was: Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland)

2010-11-09 Thread Camilo Mesias
At least it's winter now and a hot netbook is less of a problem than in the summer. On 9 Nov 2010 21:22, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 21:05 +, Camilo Mesias wrote: I'm using the experimental 3d now with gno... You're probably not. nouveau basically has no

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 16:26 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 04:17:25PM -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: The UX will probably be somewhere between ssh -Y, vncserver(1), and: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=651591 Hopefully with a better security model than 'ssh

Re: Why should I ever bother filing another bug?

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 21:31 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 11/09/2010 07:50 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: In practice, we run very few metrics on Bugzilla This is the problem we should be gather all kinds of bug metrics and general component activity from bugzilla. This is very

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 04:35:33PM -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: The UX will probably be somewhere between ssh -Y, vncserver(1), and: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=651591 Hopefully with a better security model than 'ssh -Y'? What kind of attack are you trying to prevent, and

Re: Why should I ever bother filing another bug?

2010-11-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/09/2010 09:40 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 21:31 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 11/09/2010 07:50 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: In practice, we run very few metrics on Bugzilla This is the problem we should be gather all kinds of bug metrics and general component

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 09.11.10 04:05, Jon Masters (jonat...@jonmasters.org) wrote: From what I've read so far you can run rootless X as a Wayland client so you can just use your remote X apps like you did in the past next to native Wayland apps. Also if there is a real interest in this feature

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 11/09/2010 08:04 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn denni...@conversis.de wrote: On 11/09/2010 06:12 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: I've mostly been watching here and I think people have been fairly clearly about their concerns: Network

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Lennart Poettering píše v Út 09. 11. 2010 v 23:07 +0100: I think you aren't even aware how broken this mix and match network approach of classic X11 is. The semantics of D-Bus and other IPCs in a distributed X11 session has never been clearly defined, and all kinds of integration between apps

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 09.11.10 23:14, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: Lennart Poettering píše v Út 09. 11. 2010 v 23:07 +0100: I think you aren't even aware how broken this mix and match network approach of classic X11 is. The semantics of D-Bus and other IPCs in a distributed X11 session has

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Camilo Mesias
That's true, using freenx to access a whole desktop works well with xfce and no sound. I can't imagine it working so well if trying to run gnome-shell, sound etc remotely. I get the impression a lot of the current desktop infrastructure doesn't make sense when accessed remotely, eg if I ssh'ed

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mardi 09 novembre 2010 à 14:19 -0500, Adam Jackson a écrit : When I say vnc-like I mean let's scrape the pixels out of the rendering buffer and shove them over the wire. VNC itself is rooted, but vnc-like remoting can be rooted or rootless. In wayland the fundamental object of

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 11/09/2010 10:33 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn denni...@conversis.de wrote: No. I'm sorry but it's fundamentaly unfair to hold me responsible for the behaviour of others. If you think this shouldn't have been brought up fine but if others

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