Re: release number when upstream *only* has git hashes?

2011-10-04 Thread Eric Smith
I wrote: What should I use for the release number in a spec when upstream does not have releases, and *only* has git hashes? It's not a prerelease since it is not clear that there will ever be any official release. I meant version number, not release number. I imagine that the release

Re: Heads up: e2fsprogs-1.42-WIP-0702 pushed to rawhide

2011-10-04 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 05:33:47PM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 10/3/11 5:13 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: At 100T it doesn't run out of memory, but the man behind the curtain starts to show. The underlying qcow2 file grows to several gigs and I had to kill it. I need to play with the

Re: Heads up: e2fsprogs-1.42-WIP-0702 pushed to rawhide

2011-10-04 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
100T seems to work for light use. I can create the filesystem, mount it, write files and directories and read them back, and fsck doesn't report any problems. Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/vda199T 129M 94T 1% /sysroot Linux (none)

Re: Heads up: e2fsprogs-1.42-WIP-0702 pushed to rawhide

2011-10-04 Thread Farkas Levente
On 10/04/2011 01:03 AM, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 10/3/11 5:53 PM, Farkas Levente wrote: On 10/04/2011 12:33 AM, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 10/3/11 5:13 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 04:11:28PM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote: I wasn't able to give the VM enough memory to make this

Re: Heads up: e2fsprogs-1.42-WIP-0702 pushed to rawhide

2011-10-04 Thread Farkas Levente
On 10/04/2011 01:03 AM, Eric Sandeen wrote: Large filesystem support for ext4 has languished upstream for a very long time, and few in the community seemed terribly interested to test it, either. why? that's what i simple do not understand!?... -- Levente Si

Re: release number when upstream *only* has git hashes?

2011-10-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/04/2011 08:04 AM, Eric Smith wrote: I wrote: What should I use for the release number in a spec when upstream does not have releases, and *only* has git hashes? It's not a prerelease since it is not clear that there will ever be any official release. I meant version number, not

audio passthrough is still non-obvious

2011-10-04 Thread Ian Malone
Hi, I'm not starting by filing this as a bug as it encompasses a number of issues and it's not clear where the problem really lies, so I thought I'd start a discussion here first. I posted on what I'm trying to do previously (in F13) here:

Re: F-16 suspends my *desktop* after 30 minutes at the gdm , making it impossible to ssh in

2011-10-04 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 3 octobre 2011 17:09, Przemek Klosowski a écrit : The bottom line is that the power supply is probably on the fritz and likely to fail altogether. Decent power supplies aren't that expensive, I recently got a nice, quiet one for around $30-40. Thanks, but it's perfectly fine under

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-10-04 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 3 octobre 2011 18:56, Adam Jackson a écrit : More to the point, your DPI numbers would be per-output anyway, so there's no picking a single point size preference, the same size in pixels would be different sizes in millimeters on each output. So what? Yes dpi needs to be per-output

New retrace-server is up'n'running

2011-10-04 Thread Jiri Moskovcak
Hi, the new retrace server HW is finally set up and running. Since it has the same name as the old one (retrace.fedoraproject.org) no special configuration is needed, it *should* just work. pros: - support for F16 (so we can use it on liveCD (need to fix: 742609)) - support for rawhide (testers

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-10-04 Thread Camilo Mesias
Hi, On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: The XP I occasionally can not avoid to use, in its system control menus has controls to switch between normal, big very big fonts and expert/advanced controls one can specify fonts sizes for many details of the DE

Re: F-16 suspends my *desktop* after 30 minutes at the gdm , making it impossible to ssh in

2011-10-04 Thread Richard Hughes
On 3 October 2011 08:57, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: That's what it was supposed to be, but due to an oversight on my part the wrong keys were being set. I've fixed this upstream in https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=660395 -- which will of course be included in 3.2.1

Re: Heads up: e2fsprogs-1.42-WIP-0702 pushed to rawhide

2011-10-04 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:09 AM, Farkas Levente lfar...@lfarkas.org wrote: On 10/04/2011 01:03 AM, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 10/3/11 5:53 PM, Farkas Levente wrote: On 10/04/2011 12:33 AM, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 10/3/11 5:13 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 04:11:28PM -0500,

Re: Heads up: e2fsprogs-1.42-WIP-0702 pushed to rawhide

2011-10-04 Thread Ric Wheeler
On 10/04/2011 03:12 AM, Farkas Levente wrote: On 10/04/2011 01:03 AM, Eric Sandeen wrote: Large filesystem support for ext4 has languished upstream for a very long time, and few in the community seemed terribly interested to test it, either. why? that's what i simple do not understand!?...

Re: wrong dependencies building perl-SOAP-WSDL

2011-10-04 Thread Petr Sabata
, that's the reason... Fehler: Package: perl-SOAP-WSDL-2.00.10-10.fc15.rh.20111004.noarch (/perl-SOAP-WSDL-2.00.10-10.fc15.rh.20111004.noarch) Requires: perl(SOAP::WSDL::Header) -- # Petr Sabata pgppt0PpLPYHJ.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-10-04 Thread Jason D. Clinton
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 04:01, Camilo Mesias cam...@mesias.co.uk wrote: On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: The XP I occasionally can not avoid to use, in its system control menus has controls to switch between normal, big very big fonts and expert/advanced

systemd and mounting filesystems

2011-10-04 Thread Steven Whitehouse
Hi, I'm looking for some info on systemd and how filesystems are mounted in Fedora. I've started looking into converting the gfs2-utils package to the new init system and run into things which are not documented (so far as I can tell). Currently there are two init scripts in gfs2-utils, one is

Re: wrong dependencies building perl-SOAP-WSDL

2011-10-04 Thread Reindl Harald
::Std::Fast, which is not available in Fedora. i know and building 4 packages for epp-interfaces: 2011-10-04 15:14 perl-Class-Std-Fast-0.0.8-10.fc15.rh.20111004.src.rpm 2011-10-04 15:14 perl-IO-Socket-INET6-2.67-2.fc15.rh.20111004.src.rpm 2011-10-04 15:14 perl-Net-DRI-0.96-2.fc15.rh.20111004

Re: systemd and mounting filesystems

2011-10-04 Thread Paul Howarth
On 10/04/2011 02:39 PM, Steven Whitehouse wrote: Hi, I'm looking for some info on systemd and how filesystems are mounted in Fedora. I've started looking into converting the gfs2-utils package to the new init system and run into things which are not documented (so far as I can tell).

Re: systemd and mounting filesystems

2011-10-04 Thread Steven Whitehouse
Hi, On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 14:54 +0100, Paul Howarth wrote: On 10/04/2011 02:39 PM, Steven Whitehouse wrote: Hi, I'm looking for some info on systemd and how filesystems are mounted in Fedora. I've started looking into converting the gfs2-utils package to the new init system and run

Re: systemd and mounting filesystems

2011-10-04 Thread Tom Hughes
On 04/10/11 14:54, Paul Howarth wrote: I ran into a similar problem last month. I foolishly set up a bind mount for a local filesystem, with the new mountpoint living on top of an NFS filesystem, and set it up in fstab to mount on boot in an F-16 VM. When I next rebooted, the attempted bind

upgrading from grub to grub2

2011-10-04 Thread darrell pfeifer
The wiki at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Grub2 has instructions for upgrading from grub to grub2. Do these instructions still apply, or will 'yum install grub2' do the work in the post install script? darrell -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: wrong dependencies building perl-SOAP-WSDL

2011-10-04 Thread Iain Arnell
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: thank you for your feedback! Am 04.10.2011 15:33, schrieb Petr Sabata: On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 02:39:42PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: hi has anybody an idea why this package can no longer be used on F15 from F11

Fedora choices make upgrading harder and harder

2011-10-04 Thread Udo van den Heuvel
Hello, I learned that for new Fedora releases the initrd file, used by preupgrade, will contain *both* the initrd for the kernel as well as the install image. (previously also called stage2?) I think that this takes away upgrade flexibility. I did not find an explanation that proves my

Re: wrong dependencies building perl-SOAP-WSDL

2011-10-04 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:08:58 +0200, IA (Iain) wrote: a workaround with Provides does it's jon and all autotests are running fine - (transferdomain, createdomain, updatedomain, createperson.) Provides: perl(SOAP::WSDL::Header) Please don't provide things that you're not really

Re: release number when upstream *only* has git hashes?

2011-10-04 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 09:13:46AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 10/04/2011 08:04 AM, Eric Smith wrote: I wrote: What should I use for the release number in a spec when upstream does not have releases, and *only* has git hashes? It's not a prerelease since it is not clear that there

Announcing the release of Fedora 16 Beta!!

2011-10-04 Thread Dennis Gilmore
Mark your calendars, and get ready to go exploring: The release of Fedora 16, codenamed Verne, is scheduled for release in early November. Fedora is the leading edge, free and open source operating system that continues to bring everyone fresh, innovative features with each release, delighting

Looking for co-maintainers for qtpfsgui/luminance HDR

2011-10-04 Thread Doug Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 There's been a lot of requests lately for the new version of qtpfsgui called Luminance HDR and I haven't had time to get the package updated, re-reviewed, and deprecate the old one. Would anyone be interested in helping/taking over this package? -

[perl-Test-Mojibake] BR/R: perl(Unicode::CheckUTF8) for improved performance

2011-10-04 Thread Paul Howarth
commit 4d28970990224ee1253acba643eccb44a9c187ba Author: Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org Date: Tue Oct 4 16:16:47 2011 +0100 BR/R: perl(Unicode::CheckUTF8) for improved performance perl-Test-Mojibake.spec | 15 +++ 1 files changed, 11 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-) --- diff

Re: Heads up: e2fsprogs-1.42-WIP-0702 pushed to rawhide

2011-10-04 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 10/4/11 2:09 AM, Farkas Levente wrote: On 10/04/2011 01:03 AM, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 10/3/11 5:53 PM, Farkas Levente wrote: On 10/04/2011 12:33 AM, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 10/3/11 5:13 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 04:11:28PM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote: I wasn't

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-10-04 Thread Kaleb S. KEITHLEY
On 10/04/2011 09:36 AM, Jason D. Clinton wrote: On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 04:01, Camilo Mesiascam...@mesias.co.uk wrote: On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Ralf Corsepiusrc040...@freenet.de wrote: The XP I occasionally can not avoid to use, in its system control menus has controls to switch

Re: release number when upstream *only* has git hashes?

2011-10-04 Thread Matej Cepl
On 4.10.2011 16:38, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: The date should not go there as you cannot tell if upstream will someday switch to an actual version string (which will then need an Epoch to upgrade cleanly from the date). That's your opinion or actually some rule? Well, it depends on the upstream

Re: Critpath updates process broken for certain components

2011-10-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2011-10-01 at 10:29 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: Hi All, Please note that I'm not claiming that the critpath process is broken in general. But it does not work for certain components. To be specific it does not work for Xorg drivers for non common hardware. This morning bodhi send

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-10-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2011-10-03 at 17:27 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 04:48:11PM +0100, Camilo Mesias wrote: Hi, A daft question perhaps, but I thought... I'm not sure how we can make DPI magically be correct in gazillions of broken displays' EDID. How do other

Re: Responsibility for rebuilding dependent components, was: F-16 Branched report: 20110920 changes

2011-10-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2011-09-23 at 16:31 -0400, Doug Ledford wrote: - Original Message - The setup inside Red Hat cannot be (directly) copied outside at this time. Instead the autoQA project was started to re-create it as an open source project. That's where effort should continue. Am I

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-10-04 Thread Jon Masters
On Mon, 2011-10-03 at 12:56 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: More to the point, your DPI numbers would be per-output anyway, so there's no picking a single point size preference, the same size in pixels would be different sizes in millimeters on each output. In fairness, for my dual head setup I

Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-04 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 11:46 -0400, Kaleb S. KEITHLEY wrote: Grovelling around in the F15 xorg-server sources and reviewing the Xorg log file on my F15 box, I see, with _modern hardware_ at least, that we do have the monitor geometry available from DDC or EDIC, and obviously it is trivial

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-04 Thread Andreas Tunek
Thanks for writing this up! It was good info. On Oct 4, 2011 7:55 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 11:46 -0400, Kaleb S. KEITHLEY wrote: Grovelling around in the F15 xorg-server sources and reviewing the Xorg log file on my F15 box, I see, with _modern hardware_

Re: release number when upstream *only* has git hashes?

2011-10-04 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 05:58:33PM +0200, Matej Cepl wrote: On 4.10.2011 16:38, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: The date should not go there as you cannot tell if upstream will someday switch to an actual version string (which will then need an Epoch to upgrade cleanly from the date). That's your

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-04 Thread Robert Marcano
On 10/04/2011 01:24 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: I am clearly going to have to explain this one more time, forever. Let's see if I can't write it authoritatively once and simply answer with a URL from here out. (As always, use of the second person you herein is plural, not singular.)

[Test-Announce] Proventesters meetup 2011-10-05 at 18UTC

2011-10-04 Thread Kevin Fenzi
We are going to be having another proventesters meetup tomorrow on IRC in #fedora-meeting at 18:00UTC. Purpose of meetup: Brainstorm ideas on improving testing and processes for testing updates. * Intro/gather more agenda items * Recruiting more proventesters/testers. * One stop page for

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-04 Thread Felix Miata
Ordinary users don't care about DPI any more than they do about what number point or pixel size their favorite font size is. Why can't something akin to http://people.gnome.org/~federico/news-2007-01.html be employed so that no one gets initialized or stuck with unsuitable sizes? Snap the

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-04 Thread Camilo Mesias
Hi, On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: I am clearly going to have to explain this one more time, forever. Let's see if I can't write it authoritatively once and simply answer with a URL from here out.  (As always, use of the second person you herein is plural,

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Camilo Mesias cam...@mesias.co.uk wrote: Thanks for the explanation... There is an alternative to endless explanation - roll out your best effort at a heuristic and let the crowd contribute to an ever growing set of exceptions. Well, actually, people complain a

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-04 Thread Casey Dahlin
On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 04:17:08PM -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote: For fedora users, as others have mentioned, perhaps a UI that lets users test a couple of possible dpi values might be useful (for those users so inclined). It does have to cross a good chunk of the stack to work well, and seems

Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-04 Thread JB
Hi, I performed a simple home test, a comparison of startup and shutdown times of: - Live-CD Fedora 16 beta - systemd parallel boot, GNOME 3 - Live-CD Knoppix 6.7.1 - microknoppix-fast-parallel-boot (based on SysV/LSB scripts), LXDE; note that

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-04 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 21:03 +0100, Camilo Mesias wrote: Hi, On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: I am clearly going to have to explain this one more time, forever. Let's see if I can't write it authoritatively once and simply answer with a URL from here

Re: Heads up: e2fsprogs-1.42-WIP-0702 pushed to rawhide

2011-10-04 Thread Farkas Levente
On 10/04/2011 05:30 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: XFS has been proven at this scale on Linux for a very long time, is all. the why rh do NOT support it in 32 bit? there're still system that should have to run on 32 bit:-( 32-bit machines have a 32-bit index into the page cache; on x86, that

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 04.10.11 21:01, JB (jb.1234a...@gmail.com) wrote: Results interpretation. --- Knoppix won by a wide margin, while: - Knoppix having microknoppix fast-parallel boot (based on SysV/LSB scripts) and DE with low resources usage and tailored for desktops - Fedora

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-04 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 23:45 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Another bigger source of slowness at boot is currently Plymouth which also requires synchronous settling of devices (tough it's not as bad as LVM in that regard though, but costs too since EDID probing is apparently quite slow, and

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-04 Thread drago01
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:45 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Tue, 04.10.11 21:01, JB (jb.1234a...@gmail.com) wrote: Results interpretation. --- Knoppix won by a wide margin, while: - Knoppix having microknoppix fast-parallel boot (based on SysV/LSB

Re: systemd and mounting filesystems

2011-10-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 04.10.11 14:39, Steven Whitehouse (swhit...@redhat.com) wrote: Hi, Heya, I'm looking for some info on systemd and how filesystems are mounted in Fedora. I've started looking into converting the gfs2-utils package to the new init system and run into things which are not documented

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-04 Thread Adam Miller
On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 11:59:09PM +0200, drago01 wrote: And *sendmail* (in my vms it takes up to 60s to start even though I never use it; and I it does not really make much sense on desktops). https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NoMTA Yeah ... I was technically the owner on that one,

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-04 Thread Tom Callaway
On 10/04/2011 11:01 PM, JB wrote: I performed a simple home test, a comparison of startup and shutdown times of: - Live-CD Fedora 16 beta - systemd parallel boot, GNOME 3 - Live-CD Knoppix 6.7.1 - microknoppix-fast-parallel-boot (based on SysV/LSB scripts), LXDE;

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 04.10.11 17:54, Adam Jackson (a...@redhat.com) wrote: On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 23:45 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Another bigger source of slowness at boot is currently Plymouth which also requires synchronous settling of devices (tough it's not as bad as LVM in that regard

Re: systemd and mounting filesystems

2011-10-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 04.10.11 15:02, Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) wrote: On 04/10/11 14:54, Paul Howarth wrote: I ran into a similar problem last month. I foolishly set up a bind mount for a local filesystem, with the new mountpoint living on top of an NFS filesystem, and set it up in fstab to

Re: systemd and mounting filesystems

2011-10-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 05.10.11 00:18, Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) wrote: On Tue, 04.10.11 15:02, Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) wrote: On 04/10/11 14:54, Paul Howarth wrote: I ran into a similar problem last month. I foolishly set up a bind mount for a local filesystem, with the

Re: Heads up: e2fsprogs-1.42-WIP-0702 pushed to rawhide

2011-10-04 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 10/03/2011 06:33 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 10/3/11 5:13 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 04:11:28PM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote: testing something more real-world (20T ... 500T?) might still be interesting. Here's my test script: qemu-img create -f qcow2

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-04 Thread JB
JB jb.1234abcd at gmail.com writes: ... Notebook 1: --- Lenovo TP R61i, Intel Pentium Core 2 Duo 1.86 GHZ, Intel Mobile 965GM, 2 GB RAM, HD, CD-RW, sound, internal ethernet and wireless. F16 beta average t1=3m8s average t2=10s ... Let me append The Blame Game. # less -i

Re: Heads up: e2fsprogs-1.42-WIP-0702 pushed to rawhide

2011-10-04 Thread Ric Wheeler
On 10/04/2011 07:19 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: On 10/03/2011 06:33 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 10/3/11 5:13 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 04:11:28PM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote: testing something more real-world (20T ... 500T?) might still be interesting. Here's my

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-04 Thread Jef Spaleta
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:32 PM, JB jb.1234a...@gmail.com wrote: Let me append The Blame Game. # systemd-analyze blame  32983ms livesys.service  22828ms NetworkManager.service That timing for NM is so vastly different than what I'm seeing on my installed F15 system. I am intrigued. -jef --

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-04 Thread Jef Spaleta
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:32 PM, JB jb.1234a...@gmail.com wrote:  13837ms udev-settle.service  11392ms plymouth-start.service if you use the plot option instead of blame option and produce the svg of the service timing you get a better feel for what Lennart was talking about with regard to the

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-04 Thread JB
Jef Spaleta jspaleta at gmail.com writes: On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:32 PM, JB jb.1234abcd at gmail.com wrote: Let me append The Blame Game. # systemd-analyze blame  32983ms livesys.service  22828ms NetworkManager.service That timing for NM is so vastly different than what I'm seeing

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 13:54 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: I'm going to limit myself to observing that greatly is a matter of opinion, and that in order to be really useful you'd need some way of communicating I punted to the desktop. Beyond that, sure, pick a heuristic, accept that it's going

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 19:05 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: Is it really a great idea, for instance, if we put Fedora 17 on a 1024x600, 7 tablet and it comes up with zonking huge fonts all over the place? Er - s/zonking huge/ridiculously tiny/, of course. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 16:24 -0400, Casey Dahlin wrote: On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 04:17:08PM -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote: For fedora users, as others have mentioned, perhaps a UI that lets users test a couple of possible dpi values might be useful (for those users so inclined). It does have

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 15:53 -0800, Jef Spaleta wrote: On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:32 PM, JB jb.1234a...@gmail.com wrote: Let me append The Blame Game. # systemd-analyze blame 32983ms livesys.service 22828ms NetworkManager.service That timing for NM is so vastly different than what I'm

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 16:55 -0800, Jef Spaleta wrote: On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:32 PM, JB jb.1234a...@gmail.com wrote: 13837ms udev-settle.service 11392ms plymouth-start.service if you use the plot option instead of blame option and produce the svg of the service timing you get a

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 23:32 +, JB wrote: JB jb.1234abcd at gmail.com writes: ... Notebook 1: --- Lenovo TP R61i, Intel Pentium Core 2 Duo 1.86 GHZ, Intel Mobile 965GM, 2 GB RAM, HD, CD-RW, sound, internal ethernet and wireless. F16 beta average t1=3m8s average

Re: release number when upstream *only* has git hashes?

2011-10-04 Thread Garrett Holmstrom
On 2011-10-04 12:01, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: So my solyution: foo-0-1.20110120git.fc16 vs Your solution: foo-20110120-1.20110120git.fc16 (Since it's a snapshot, the date has to go into the release string anyway) Which is uglier? Also, since these are snapshots, a date in the upstream

Re: release number when upstream *only* has git hashes?

2011-10-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/04/2011 09:01 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 05:58:33PM +0200, Matej Cepl wrote: On 4.10.2011 16:38, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: The date should not go there as you cannot tell if upstream will someday switch to an actual version string (which will then need an Epoch to

Re: grub / grub2 conflicts

2011-10-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2011-09-26 at 21:49 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Doug Ledford wrote: - Original Message - Or Doug could take over grub if he is willing to fix the issues he runs into. Or he could fork grub into maggot, use that for his needs. If he is willing to support it and you are

Re: upgrading from grub to grub2

2011-10-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 07:03 -0700, darrell pfeifer wrote: The wiki at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Grub2 has instructions for upgrading from grub to grub2. Do these instructions still apply, Yes. or will 'yum install grub2' do the work in the post install script?

Re: GDBM upgrade in F17

2011-10-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2011-09-29 at 09:39 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote: On Sep 29, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Nils Philippsen wrote: Ahh I'm late. Anyway, that's a side-effect of using the bodhi interface to manage something in koji then. It'd still be handy if we could use that for Rawhide so we don't break all

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

2011-10-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 13:20 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: (That said, there definitely needs to be a way to disable it, and maybe it should even be disabled by default. I personally always uninstall yum- presto. For me, it's much faster to just download packages than to rebuild them from

Broken dependencies: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule

2011-10-04 Thread buildsys
perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule has broken dependencies in the F-16 tree: On x86_64: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.37-9.fc16.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.12.3) On i386: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.37-9.fc16.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.12.3) Please resolve this as soon as

[Bug 728524] frozen bubble will need new SDL

2011-10-04 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=728524 Petr Sabata psab...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added

Broken dependencies: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule

2011-10-04 Thread buildsys
perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree: On x86_64: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.37-9.fc16.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.12.3) On i386: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.37-9.fc16.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.12.3) Please resolve this as soon

Broken dependencies: perl-Bio-Graphics

2011-10-04 Thread buildsys
perl-Bio-Graphics has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree: On x86_64: perl-Bio-Graphics-2.25-1.fc17.noarch requires perl(Bio::DB::BigWig) On i386: perl-Bio-Graphics-2.25-1.fc17.noarch requires perl(Bio::DB::BigWig) Please resolve this as soon as possible. -- Fedora Extras

[Bug 719874] perl-threads-lite keeps hanging during self checks

2011-10-04 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=719874 Karsten Hopp kars...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added

[Bug 719874] perl-threads-lite keeps hanging during self checks

2011-10-04 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=719874 Karsten Hopp kars...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added

[perl-Test-Mojibake/f16] BR/R: perl(Unicode::CheckUTF8) for improved performance

2011-10-04 Thread Paul Howarth
Summary of changes: 4d28970... BR/R: perl(Unicode::CheckUTF8) for improved performance (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list

[perl-Test-Mojibake/f14] BR/R: perl(Unicode::CheckUTF8) for improved performance

2011-10-04 Thread Paul Howarth
Summary of changes: 4d28970... BR/R: perl(Unicode::CheckUTF8) for improved performance (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list

[perl-Test-Mojibake/el6] BR/R: perl(Unicode::CheckUTF8) for improved performance

2011-10-04 Thread Paul Howarth
Summary of changes: 4d28970... BR/R: perl(Unicode::CheckUTF8) for improved performance (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list

[perl-Test-Mojibake/el5] BR/R: perl(Unicode::CheckUTF8) for improved performance

2011-10-04 Thread Paul Howarth
Summary of changes: 4d28970... BR/R: perl(Unicode::CheckUTF8) for improved performance (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list

[perl-Test-Mojibake/el4] BR/R: perl(Unicode::CheckUTF8) for improved performance

2011-10-04 Thread Paul Howarth
Summary of changes: 4d28970... BR/R: perl(Unicode::CheckUTF8) for improved performance (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list

[perl-Test-Mojibake] Created tag perl-Test-Mojibake-0.3-3.el4

2011-10-04 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Test-Mojibake-0.3-3.el4' was created pointing to: 4d28970... BR/R: perl(Unicode::CheckUTF8) for improved performance -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Test-Mojibake] Created tag perl-Test-Mojibake-0.3-3.el5

2011-10-04 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Test-Mojibake-0.3-3.el5' was created pointing to: 4d28970... BR/R: perl(Unicode::CheckUTF8) for improved performance -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Test-Mojibake] Created tag perl-Test-Mojibake-0.3-3.el6

2011-10-04 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Test-Mojibake-0.3-3.el6' was created pointing to: 4d28970... BR/R: perl(Unicode::CheckUTF8) for improved performance -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Test-Mojibake] Created tag perl-Test-Mojibake-0.3-3.fc14

2011-10-04 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Test-Mojibake-0.3-3.fc14' was created pointing to: 4d28970... BR/R: perl(Unicode::CheckUTF8) for improved performance -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Test-Mojibake] Created tag perl-Test-Mojibake-0.3-3.fc15

2011-10-04 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Test-Mojibake-0.3-3.fc15' was created pointing to: 4d28970... BR/R: perl(Unicode::CheckUTF8) for improved performance -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Test-Mojibake] Created tag perl-Test-Mojibake-0.3-3.fc16

2011-10-04 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Test-Mojibake-0.3-3.fc16' was created pointing to: 4d28970... BR/R: perl(Unicode::CheckUTF8) for improved performance -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Test-Mojibake] Created tag perl-Test-Mojibake-0.3-3.fc17

2011-10-04 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Test-Mojibake-0.3-3.fc17' was created pointing to: 4d28970... BR/R: perl(Unicode::CheckUTF8) for improved performance -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org