Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread Adam Williamson
Hey, folks. I'm not really sure how to frame it, but the result of all my poking about at keyboard layout bugs and related stuff recently is that I'm pretty sad at the state of support for anything-but-U.S.-English in Fedora 18. Here's the tally: *

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread Caterpillar
Il 03/01/2013 09:03, Adam Williamson ha scritto: 1. In the short term, is the combination of all these factors enough for us to want to delay F18 further to try and make things suck less? I was waiting for an e-mail like yours, and I am happy to see someone speaking about a delay of F18 release.

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/03/2013 08:03 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: Hey, folks. I'm not really sure how to frame it, but the result of all my poking about at keyboard layout bugs and related stuff recently is that I'm pretty sad at the state of support for anything-but-U.S.-English in Fedora 18. snip.../snip I

Re: rawhide report: 20121226 changes

2013-01-03 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 2.1.2013 20:07, Bill Nottingham napsal(a): Bruno Wolff III (br...@wolff.to) said: On Wed, Jan 02, 2013 at 12:08:31 +0100, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: Hm, wondering why there are not automatically filled bugs about broken dependencies. Wouldn't it be easier for tracking such

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 09:23 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 01/03/2013 08:03 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: Hey, folks. I'm not really sure how to frame it, but the result of all my poking about at keyboard layout bugs and related stuff recently is that I'm pretty sad at the state of

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread William Brown
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 01:42 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 09:23 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 01/03/2013 08:03 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: Hey, folks. I'm not really sure how to frame it, but the result of all my poking about at keyboard layout bugs and

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 20:17 +1030, William Brown wrote: On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 01:42 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 09:23 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 01/03/2013 08:03 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: Hey, folks. I'm not really sure how to frame it, but the

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/03/2013 09:42 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: I really didn't want this to turn into a release philosophy thread, the question was limited strictly to a 'how bad do we really think these keymap issues are' thing. Yes and I think they are bad enough that we should delay the release for them

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 3.1.2013 10:51, Adam Williamson napsal(a): On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 20:17 +1030, William Brown wrote: On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 01:42 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 09:23 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 01/03/2013 08:03 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: Hey, folks. I'm not

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 11:31 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 3.1.2013 10:51, Adam Williamson napsal(a): On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 20:17 +1030, William Brown wrote: On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 01:42 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 09:23 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread Jiri Eischmann
Adam Williamson píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 00:03 -0800: Hey, folks. I'm not really sure how to frame it, but the result of all my poking about at keyboard layout bugs and related stuff recently is that I'm pretty sad at the state of support for anything-but-U.S.-English in Fedora 18. Here's

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 3.1.2013 11:34, Adam Williamson napsal(a): On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 11:31 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 3.1.2013 10:51, Adam Williamson napsal(a): On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 20:17 +1030, William Brown wrote: On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 01:42 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 09:23

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread Fabian Deutsch
Jiri Eischmann wrote: Adam Williamson píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 00:03 -0800: … 2. If not, do we want to engage in some Messaging around the F18 release to emphasize that we know there are all these issues and we'll try to smooth things out for F19? … So yes, these issues are serious,

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/03/2013 10:37 AM, Jiri Eischmann wrote: So yes, these issues are serious, but IMHO rather a long-term problem we should focus on after releasing F18. I disagree I think we need to fix those things first. Ask yourself this, If the roles where reversed and US keymaps and translation was

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - Hey, folks. I'm not really sure how to frame it, but the result of all my poking about at keyboard layout bugs and related stuff recently is that I'm pretty sad at the state of support for anything-but-U.S.-English in Fedora 18. Here's the tally: *

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread drago01
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Fabian Deutsch fabian.deut...@gmx.de wrote: Jiri Eischmann wrote: Adam Williamson píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 00:03 -0800: … 2. If not, do we want to engage in some Messaging around the F18 release to emphasize that we know there are all these issues and

Re: Whats happened to SELinux commands and directories on F18 ?

2013-01-03 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/02/2013 03:09 PM, Lukas Berk wrote: Hey, [...] audit2allow is in policycoreutils-python these days I believe. At least in rawhide (not sure about F18), audit2allow seems to have been moved from policycoreutils-python to

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread Jiri Eischmann
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 12:40 +: On 01/03/2013 10:37 AM, Jiri Eischmann wrote: So yes, these issues are serious, but IMHO rather a long-term problem we should focus on after releasing F18. I disagree I think we need to fix those things first. Ask yourself

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread Jiri Eischmann
drago01 píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 14:13 +0100: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Fabian Deutsch fabian.deut...@gmx.de wrote: Jiri Eischmann wrote: Adam Williamson píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 00:03 -0800: … 2. If not, do we want to engage in some Messaging around the F18 release to

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread drago01
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Jiri Eischmann eischm...@redhat.com wrote: drago01 píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 14:13 +0100: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Fabian Deutsch fabian.deut...@gmx.de wrote: Jiri Eischmann wrote: Adam Williamson píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 00:03 -0800: … 2. If

[Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Final Test Compose 4 (TC4) Available Now!

2013-01-03 Thread Andre Robatino
As per the Fedora 18 schedule [1], Fedora 18 Final Test Compose 4 (TC4) is now available for testing. Content information, including changes, can be found at https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5406#comment:12 . Please see the following pages for download links (including delta ISOs) and

F-18 Branched report: 20130103 changes

2013-01-03 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Thu Jan 3 09:15:17 UTC 2013 Updated Packages: anaconda-18.37.8-1.fc18 --- * Fri Dec 21 2012 Brian C. Lane b...@redhat.com - 18.37.8-1 - hook up help window close button (#889570) (cherry picked from commit 128aa94a4dabfde0e7d3b14ddcec6b88a9308b08)

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread Jiri Eischmann
drago01 píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 14:43 +0100: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Jiri Eischmann eischm...@redhat.com wrote: drago01 píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 14:13 +0100: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Fabian Deutsch fabian.deut...@gmx.de wrote: Jiri Eischmann wrote: Adam Williamson

rawhide report: 20130103 changes

2013-01-03 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Thu Jan 3 08:15:10 UTC 2013 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [dogtag-pki] dogtag-pki-10.0.0-0.16.b3.fc19.noarch requires dogtag-pki-server-theme = 0:10.0.0 [ember] ember-0.6.3-3.fc19.x86_64 requires

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 03.01.13 00:03, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote: * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=889562 - systemd conversion from xkb to console layouts fails probably more than it succeeds, when it does, you wind up with U.S. English as your console layout, not whatever you

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread drago01
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: In the meantime, until somebody wants to spend the time on writing this tool I think the best is to update the keyboard mapping table that systemd ships. I am more than happy to apply patches to that and it's no

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/03/2013 01:57 PM, Jiri Eischmann wrote: drago01 píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 14:43 +0100: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Jiri Eischmann eischm...@redhat.com wrote: drago01 píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 14:13 +0100: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Fabian Deutsch fabian.deut...@gmx.de wrote:

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - Hey, folks. I'm not really sure how to frame it, but the result of all my poking about at keyboard layout bugs and related stuff recently is that I'm pretty sad at the state of support for anything-but-U.S.-English in Fedora 18. Here's the tally: *

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - ad 1) OK, feel free to ignore this, I don't really have time to go through all the bugs in last 4 fedora releases, since it won't (most probably) change your opinion. ad 2) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F16_bugs Thanks for the link

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 01/03/2013 04:01 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: What is not right here while the distribution has significantly increased in size the release cycle has not been extended to accommodate for that ( amongst other growth pain we suffer from ) The number of packages might have increased, but it

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread Thomas Sailer
On 01/03/2013 04:01 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: I assume you are not using encrypted partition I do. Given that we are already that far behind the schedule few more months hardly matter or at least delay the release up to the point this issues are fixed. Yes it does. Many already

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: 3. In the longer term, how can we get anaconda, i18n, systemd, GNOME etc folks all pointed in the same direction and working so that there's far less suckage and far more smooth interaction going on here? Should we try

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: DualstackNetworking - proper dual stack IPv4 and IPv6 networking

2013-01-03 Thread Pavel Simerda
- Original Message - From: William Brown will...@firstyear.id.au On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 00:01 +, Peter Robinson wrote: On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM, William Brown will...@firstyear.id.au wrote: On Wed, 2013-01-02 at 21:06 +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Wed, Jan 2, 2013

Re: rawhide report: 20121226 changes

2013-01-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kevin Fenzi wrote: [wine] wine-fonts-1.5.18-1.fc19.noarch requires liberation-narrow-fonts This package doesn't exist anymore... wine needs adjusting for that. ;) One more reason why Liberation 2.0 is a step backwards. Can't we package liberation-narrow-fonts from Liberation 1 separately? I

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2013-01-03 Thread Petr Šabata
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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: DualstackNetworking - proper dual stack IPv4 and IPv6 networking

2013-01-03 Thread Pavel Simerda
- Original Message - From: Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com On Wed, 2013-01-02 at 21:06 +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: = Features/DualstackNetworking =

Re: rawhide report: 20121226 changes

2013-01-03 Thread Kalev Lember
On 12/26/2012 11:49 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: [epiphany-extensions] epiphany-extensions-3.6.0-1.fc19.x86_64 requires epiphany(abi) = 0:3.6 Looks like this one needs to be retired now? Yes. I filed https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875234 a while back suggesting that

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: DualstackNetworking - proper dual stack IPv4 and IPv6 networking

2013-01-03 Thread Pavel Simerda
- Original Message - From: Tomasz Torcz to...@pipebreaker.pl On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 08:18:19AM +1030, William Brown wrote: = Features/DualstackNetworking = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DualstackNetworking 1) For a user, there is no option in NetworkManager to

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: DualstackNetworking - proper dual stack IPv4 and IPv6 networking

2013-01-03 Thread Pavel Simerda
- Original Message - From: William Brown will...@firstyear.id.au 4) For link local to work nicely, mDNS name resolution should be installed and available by default. Avahi can provide such a service for ipv6. Avahi doesn't work for IPv6 link-local addresses and GLIBC doesn't even

[Bug 890736] perl-Net-DNS-0.72 is available

2013-01-03 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=890736 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |ASSIGNED

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[perl-DBI] 1.623 bump

2013-01-03 Thread Petr Šabata
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[perl-Math-Geometry-Voronoi] Initial import (#887846).

2013-01-03 Thread Miroslav Hrončok
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[perl-Net-DNS] 0.72 bump

2013-01-03 Thread Petr Pisar
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[perl-Module-Build-WithXSpp] Initial import (#876405).

2013-01-03 Thread Miroslav Hrončok
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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: DualstackNetworking - proper dual stack IPv4 and IPv6 networking

2013-01-03 Thread Pavel Simerda
- Original Message - From: Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: = Features/DualstackNetworking = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DualstackNetworking (Sending to the list instead of using the wiki talk

[perl-Module-Build-WithXSpp/f18] Initial import (#876405).

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Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 14:19 +0100, Jiri Eischmann wrote: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 12:40 +: On 01/03/2013 10:37 AM, Jiri Eischmann wrote: So yes, these issues are serious, but IMHO rather a long-term problem we should focus on after releasing F18. I disagree

Rationalizing X and console keymaps and configuration (was Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps)

2013-01-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 15:43 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 03.01.13 00:03, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote: * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=889562 - systemd conversion from xkb to console layouts fails probably more than it succeeds, when it does, you

Re: Rationalizing X and console keymaps and configuration (was Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps)

2013-01-03 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 03.01.13 09:38, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote: If we have such a tool, can we make the whole area of keymap configuration much less insane? Right now we appear to have at least the following: Well, we still will allow configuration of per-boot, per-system and per-user

Re: Rationalizing X and console keymaps and configuration (was Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps)

2013-01-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 18:53 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 03.01.13 09:38, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote: If we have such a tool, can we make the whole area of keymap configuration much less insane? Right now we appear to have at least the following: Well, we

Re: Rationalizing X and console keymaps and configuration (was Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps)

2013-01-03 Thread John Reiser
On 01/03/2013 09:59 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: if there's /etc/keyboard.conf specifying 'KEYBOARD=foo', [then] I should never have to pass 'KEYBOARD=foo' as a cmdline to make foo my keyboard layout in some case. As things stand I believe I do, for passphrase entry during dracut. The dracut

Secure Boot Guide Help

2013-01-03 Thread Eric H. Christensen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Can someone (everyone) take a look at the draft version of the secure boot guide[0], please? What's there was taken from what I found on the wiki but I want to make sure that the information that we've got in the guide is current and answers the

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 10:09 -0500, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=891487 - anaconda doesn't seem to manage to offer all the keyboard layouts it could do, and some of the ones it's missing are somewhat important Already accepted as NTH, Vratislav

Re: Rationalizing X and console keymaps and configuration (was Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps)

2013-01-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 10:26 -0800, John Reiser wrote: On 01/03/2013 09:59 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: if there's /etc/keyboard.conf specifying 'KEYBOARD=foo', [then] I should never have to pass 'KEYBOARD=foo' as a cmdline to make foo my keyboard layout in some case. As things stand I

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 10:09 -0500, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=891487 - anaconda doesn't seem to manage to offer all the keyboard layouts it could do, and some of the ones it's missing are somewhat important

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread Bill Nottingham
Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: In addition to those bugs, we have fairly significant regressions in the completeness of anaconda translations between Fedora 16 and Fedora 18 (the numbers for F17 for some languages are weird - a lot of languages show 55% completion for F17 but

Re: Rationalizing X and console keymaps and configuration (was Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps)

2013-01-03 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 09:59:52AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: Oh sure. I guess I need to draw a distinction between what I see as two different cases. Which I'm sure you understand but I'm having trouble describing clearly. I guess what I'm saying is, if there's /etc/keyboard.conf

Re: f18beta + texlive 2012: usable texinfo, docbook, doxygen pdf toolchains

2013-01-03 Thread Rex Dieter
Benjamin De Kosnik wrote: From: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-November/173356.html Now: Resolved, success. With fixes, am now able to build all the gcc docs in html/xml/pdf/epub/info, whatever. Phew! With caveats, as filed in Bugzilla under Fedora18, annoated

Re: Rationalizing X and console keymaps and configuration (was Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps)

2013-01-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 19:58 +0100, Till Maas wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 09:59:52AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: Oh sure. I guess I need to draw a distinction between what I see as two different cases. Which I'm sure you understand but I'm having trouble describing clearly. I guess

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2013-01-03 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 01.01.13 10:48, Joel Rees (joel.r...@gmail.com) wrote: On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 1:03 AM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Mon, 31.12.12 07:38, John Reiser (jrei...@bitwagon.com) wrote: Cool, then write a sane tool that converts them online that doesn't pull in

Re: Secure Boot Guide Help

2013-01-03 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Eric H. Christensen spa...@fedoraproject.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Can someone (everyone) take a look at the draft version of the secure boot guide[0], please? What's there was taken from what I found on the wiki but I want to

Re: Secure Boot Guide Help

2013-01-03 Thread Eric H. Christensen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 03:27:12PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Eric H. Christensen spa...@fedoraproject.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Can someone (everyone) take a look at the draft

GRUB menu hidden by default?

2013-01-03 Thread Chris Murphy
Documentation says The GRUB menu defaults to being hidden, except on dual-boot systems. but as far as I know this hasn't been true since Fedora 16 when GRUB2 started being used. Is there a plan to revert back to a hidden GRUB menu at some point or is the current behavior stable? Chris Murphy

Re: GRUB menu hidden by default?

2013-01-03 Thread Máirín Duffy
On Thu 03 Jan 2013 04:55:22 PM EST, Chris Murphy wrote: Documentation says The GRUB menu defaults to being hidden, except on dual-boot systems. but as far as I know this hasn't been true since Fedora 16 when GRUB2 started being used. Is there a plan to revert back to a hidden GRUB menu at

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2013-01-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2012-12-31 at 15:01 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: As discussed in the bug, if systemd-localed is doing 'fuzzy matching' it may be the case that we actually get a decent match for most layouts, I'll have to do more testing. But the situation is clearly different to the F17 one in that

Re: GRUB menu hidden by default?

2013-01-03 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 3, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu 03 Jan 2013 04:55:22 PM EST, Chris Murphy wrote: Documentation says The GRUB menu defaults to being hidden, except on dual-boot systems. but as far as I know this hasn't been true since Fedora 16 when GRUB2

Re: GRUB menu hidden by default?

2013-01-03 Thread drago01
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu 03 Jan 2013 04:55:22 PM EST, Chris Murphy wrote: Documentation says The GRUB menu defaults to being hidden, except on dual-boot systems. but as far as I know this hasn't been true since Fedora 16 when GRUB2

Re: GRUB menu hidden by default?

2013-01-03 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-01-03 16:51 (GMT-0700) Chris Murphy composed: On 2013-01-03 17:00 (GMT-0500), Mairin Duffy composed: It should be hidden for final releases, but not for testing and development releases. You may have upgraded from a beta or test release, in which case your grub config file allowing

Re: GRUB menu hidden by default?

2013-01-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 04.01.2013 01:21, schrieb drago01: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu 03 Jan 2013 04:55:22 PM EST, Chris Murphy wrote: Documentation says The GRUB menu defaults to being hidden, except on dual-boot systems. but as far as I know this hasn't

Re: GRUB menu hidden by default?

2013-01-03 Thread Pete Travis
A simple short term solution might be to purge this statement from the documentation for affected releases. If we should expect the splash only in certain cases, of course the docs should state that expected behavior. Since you folks are testing, would anyone mind filing a bug against the

Re: GRUB menu hidden by default?

2013-01-03 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 3, 2013, at 5:30 PM, Pete Travis li...@petetravis.com wrote: Since you folks are testing, would anyone mind filing a bug against the documentation? I did, I was just trying to get a confirm/deny that this is intended and if it's stable before changing documentation.

Re: GRUB menu hidden by default?

2013-01-03 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 3, 2013, at 5:23 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: Maybe a virtual disk installation is somehow categorized as multiboot by the F18 installer in configuring the Grub2 menu? My recollection on actual hardware though for F16 and F17 is that I see a GRUB menu. At the moment I

Re: [Fedora TeX Live] f18beta + texlive 2012: usable texinfo, docbook, doxygen pdf toolchains

2013-01-03 Thread Benjamin De Kosnik
1. doxygen Added doxygen deps for pdf output, see: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=891452 Fixed, thanks. 2. docbook5-style-xsl Typo, see: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=891459 Fixed, thanks. 3. dblatex Currently, dblatex package hasn't been updated to

Re: GRUB menu hidden by default?

2013-01-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-01-04 at 01:26 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 04.01.2013 01:21, schrieb drago01: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu 03 Jan 2013 04:55:22 PM EST, Chris Murphy wrote: Documentation says The GRUB menu defaults to being hidden,

Re: GRUB menu hidden by default?

2013-01-03 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 1:23 AM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2013-01-03 16:51 (GMT-0700) Chris Murphy composed: On 2013-01-03 17:00 (GMT-0500), Mairin Duffy composed: It should be hidden for final releases, but not for testing and development releases. You may have upgraded

Re: [Fedora TeX Live] f18beta + texlive 2012: usable texinfo, docbook, doxygen pdf toolchains

2013-01-03 Thread Rex Dieter
On 01/03/2013 06:51 PM, Benjamin De Kosnik wrote: 3. dblatex Currently, dblatex package hasn't been updated to texlive-2012 dependencies, so it cannot be installed due to the incorrect passivetex requirements. This is bug, with patch here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=891450

Re: [Fedora TeX Live] f18beta + texlive 2012: usable texinfo, docbook, doxygen pdf toolchains

2013-01-03 Thread Benjamin De Kosnik
On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 18:58:32 -0600 Rex Dieter rdie...@math.unl.edu wrote: On 01/03/2013 06:51 PM, Benjamin De Kosnik wrote: 3. dblatex Currently, dblatex package hasn't been updated to texlive-2012 dependencies, so it cannot be installed due to the incorrect passivetex requirements.

Re: GRUB menu hidden by default?

2013-01-03 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-01-03 17:44 (GMT-0700) Chris Murphy composed: Felix Miata wrote: Maybe a virtual disk installation is somehow categorized as multiboot by the F18 installer in configuring the Grub2 menu? My recollection on actual hardware though for F16 and F17 is that I see a GRUB menu. At the

Re: GRUB menu hidden by default?

2013-01-03 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 3, 2013, at 8:28 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2013-01-03 17:44 (GMT-0700) Chris Murphy composed: My recollection on actual hardware though for F16 and F17 is that I see a GRUB menu. At the moment I don't have hardware to test, it's all multi-boot. Maybe you,

Re: Enlightenment for Fedora

2013-01-03 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 11:41 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:47 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky zn...@znmeb.net wrote: This is E17, right? E16 is already there, isn't it? Yes. From a packaging stand point, they don't have anything in common Rahul --

Re: Enlightenment for Fedora

2013-01-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 12:21 AM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: Should I search for 'e17' if I want it? It is not in the repo yet if you see the mail I sent Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

[Bug 891546] New: perl-DBI-1.623 is available

2013-01-03 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=891546 Bug ID: 891546 Summary: perl-DBI-1.623 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-DBI Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Severity:

[Bug 890567] perl-Test-Strict-0.17 is available

2013-01-03 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=890567 Petr Šabata psab...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |ASSIGNED

File Socket-2.008.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2013-01-03 Thread Petr Pisar
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Socket: 50d0e293a31496ed801f3e1373f4a4c7 Socket-2.008.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Socket] 2.008 bump

2013-01-03 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 7e0bb328a119d5dbb6cda24a7cd0211ffa7eb095 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Thu Jan 3 12:10:45 2013 +0100 2.008 bump .gitignore |1 + perl-Socket.spec |5 - sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) --- diff --git

File perl-ldap-0.52.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by jplesnik

2013-01-03 Thread Jitka Plesnikova
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-LDAP: ddfee2974e5cbedf8576ea61cd76b75b perl-ldap-0.52.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-LDAP] 0.52 bump

2013-01-03 Thread Jitka Plesnikova
commit 6fcc39ff3ea6c1acb1b69ae310abfa36c9c2bdea Author: Jitka Plesnikova jples...@redhat.com Date: Thu Jan 3 12:48:33 2013 +0100 0.52 bump .gitignore |1 + perl-LDAP.spec |7 +-- sources|2 +- 3 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) --- diff --git

[Bug 891087] perl-LDAP-0.52 is available

2013-01-03 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=891087 Jitka Plesnikova jples...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED

[Bug 890665] perl-ExtUtils-XSpp-0.1603 is available

2013-01-03 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=890665 Jitka Plesnikova jples...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW

File Test-Strict-0.17.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by psabata

2013-01-03 Thread Petr Šabata
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Test-Strict: 5dfef28499d8c7cdede5cfeb19709e2d Test-Strict-0.17.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Test-Strict] 0.17 bump

2013-01-03 Thread Petr Šabata
commit 6c53bacf581fed09fca07eca131792024348c271 Author: Petr Šabata con...@redhat.com Date: Thu Jan 3 15:03:11 2013 +0100 0.17 bump .gitignore|1 + perl-Test-Strict.spec | 34 +- sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 19

[Bug 890567] perl-Test-Strict-0.17 is available

2013-01-03 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=890567 Petr Šabata psab...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED

[Bug 891546] perl-DBI-1.623 is available

2013-01-03 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=891546 Petr Šabata psab...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |ASSIGNED

[perl-Clone] 0.34 bump

2013-01-03 Thread Petr Šabata
commit 9d4f7385935c3637982b8727d7f83cea0e286e2b Author: Petr Šabata con...@redhat.com Date: Thu Jan 3 17:32:16 2013 +0100 0.34 bump perl-Clone.spec | 42 +- sources |2 +- 2 files changed, 18 insertions(+), 26 deletions(-) --- diff

File Math-Prime-XS-0.26.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by churchyard

2013-01-03 Thread Miro Hrončok
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Math-Prime-XS: 5bd7727093742cc85cd6c762422c98c8 Math-Prime-XS-0.26.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Math-Prime-XS] Initial import (#890831).

2013-01-03 Thread Miro Hrončok
commit d4e4a28a15fe6a2feafe02e7a41d7ee40e25c478 Author: Miro Hrončok m...@hroncok.cz Date: Thu Jan 3 17:58:22 2013 +0100 Initial import (#890831). .gitignore |1 + perl-Math-Prime-XS.spec | 75 +++ sources |

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