Re: EPEL Thunderbird and/or claws-mail in epel 7 beta

2014-03-25 Thread Jan Horak
On 03/06/2014 09:24 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 03/06/2014 10:24 AM, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: Hi, Will the subject packages be included in epel 7? I don't see them listed on the web pages at http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/epel/beta/7/SRPMS/repoview/ tia Someone will have to step up and

Re: EPEL Clang package doesn't work on Amazon Linux

2014-03-25 Thread Tyler Brock
To my knowledge it was originally based on CentOS but it has since diverged. It may be useful to mention that this same issue affects multiple Red Hat derivatives (including RHEL 6.4 itself) and not just Amazon Linux. I attempted the same process on Red Hat 6.4, Fedora 20, and Amazon Linux

Re: EPEL Clang package doesn't work on Amazon Linux

2014-03-25 Thread Dave Johansen
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Tyler Brock tyler.br...@gmail.com wrote: Here is a gist containing the output of attempting to compile the program after installing the clang package on each platform I mentioned: https://gist.github.com/TylerBrock/9771402 -Tyler On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at

Re: Let's close the remaining merge reviews

2014-03-25 Thread drago01
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 04:41:29PM -0400, Cole Robinson wrote: An alternative would be to reassign every open merge review to the component in question, and let maintainers handle it as they like. Thoughts?

Re: What will happen to XFCE, LXDE, Mate, Cinnemon in Fedora.Next

2014-03-25 Thread Dariusz J. Garbowski
On 25/03/14 03:00 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Mon, 2014-03-24 at 17:14 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: Saying that nobody wants this, it's madness, totally wacky, almost all users are NOT going to put up with this is going rather too far. I think it's entirely worth the Desktop product making

Reminder: Change Proposals Submission Deadline in two weeks

2014-03-25 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
Hi, the Change Proposals Submission Deadline is coming soon, in two weeks [1] - 2014-04-08. I'd like to ask especially WGs to work on the PRD/Tech Specs break out into the Change Proposals - so the scope of release can be evaluated and also for tracking purposes to knwo where we are with Fedora

Re: Let's close the remaining merge reviews

2014-03-25 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 04:41:29PM -0400, Cole Robinson wrote: An alternative would be to reassign every open merge review to the component in question, and let maintainers handle it

Re: Let's close the remaining merge reviews

2014-03-25 Thread Cole Robinson
On 03/24/2014 08:07 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 04:41:29PM -0400, Cole Robinson wrote: An alternative would be to reassign every open merge review to the component in question, and let maintainers handle it as they like. Thoughts? Alternative idea -- maybe identify

Re: Let's close the remaining merge reviews

2014-03-25 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 05:07:35PM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Alternative idea -- maybe identify all packages which are not ciritcal and have an open merge review. Take those packages out of the repository. Then revisit the list and formulate a plan on what to do with thoes (even if the

leading vs. bleeding [was Re: Maybe it's time to get rid of tcpwrappers/tcpd?]

2014-03-25 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 09:17:20PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: For the record Fedora is not a bleeding edge distro anymore or first in anything maybe some people should consider the difference between leading and bleeding smart: leading if things are ready dumb: bleeding for any price

Re: Let's close the remaining merge reviews

2014-03-25 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 05:07:35PM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Alternative idea -- maybe identify all packages which are not ciritcal and have an open merge review. Take those packages out of the repository.

Re: Let's close the remaining merge reviews

2014-03-25 Thread पराग़
Hi, On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 6:59 PM, Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 05:07:35PM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Alternative idea -- maybe identify all packages which are not

Re: Let's close the remaining merge reviews

2014-03-25 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 09:29:12AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: I like the idea of actually revisiting the list and deciding what to do, although pulling them out of the repository seems unnecessarily drastic. This

Re: Let's close the remaining merge reviews

2014-03-25 Thread drago01
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 09:29:12AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: I like the idea of actually revisiting the list and deciding what to do, although pulling them out of the repository seems unnecessarily drastic. This

Re: Let's close the remaining merge reviews

2014-03-25 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 09:29:12AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: I like the idea of actually revisiting the list and deciding what to do, although pulling them out of the repository seems unnecessarily drastic. This always winds up being the suggestion. Nobody actually does anything about it.

Re: proactively deprecating things that should be -- base design wg [was Re: Maybe it's time to get rid of tcpwrappers/tcpd?]

2014-03-25 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 07:18:58PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: It's a pity though that nobody in Fedora is actively working on getting rid of legacy cruft. I really wished we had some people who oversee

Re: leading vs. bleeding [was Re: Maybe it's time to get rid of tcpwrappers/tcpd?]

2014-03-25 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 09:24 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: I agree with Harald here. I think some people have always wanted it to be, but Fedora never really has been chartered to be bleeding. To quote the first foundation more fully: First represents our commitment to innovation. We are not

Re: What will happen to XFCE, LXDE, Mate, Cinnemon in Fedora.Next

2014-03-25 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 07:07:43PM -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: Who the hell wants to install Gnome to install MATE or KDE or XFCE? Nobody, it's madness. I don't think anyone wants to _have_ to, but I think it would be great if we made it _easy to_ for people who _do_ have Gnome installed

Re: leading vs. bleeding [was Re: Maybe it's time to get rid of tcpwrappers/tcpd?]

2014-03-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.03.2014 15:22, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 03/25/2014 01:24 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 09:17:20PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: For the record Fedora is not a bleeding edge distro anymore or first in anything maybe some people should consider the difference

Re: leading vs. bleeding [was Re: Maybe it's time to get rid of tcpwrappers/tcpd?]

2014-03-25 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Everyone in this thread: Please re-read our code of conduct (in the footer of every single message). Stop attacking people. Please stick to constructive comments about ideas instead. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: leading vs. bleeding [was Re: Maybe it's time to get rid of tcpwrappers/tcpd?]

2014-03-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.03.2014 15:54, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 03/25/2014 02:41 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: stop your destructive FUD, without users developers and contributors are *meaningless* and with throwing alpha-state software to the users and make them bleed all the time you will end in no

Re: EPEL Thunderbird and/or claws-mail in epel 7 beta

2014-03-25 Thread Dan Horák
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 16:59:34 +0100 Jan Horak jho...@redhat.com wrote: On 03/06/2014 09:24 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 03/06/2014 10:24 AM, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: Hi, Will the subject packages be included in epel 7? I don't see them listed on the web pages at

Re: leading vs. bleeding [was Re: Maybe it's time to get rid of tcpwrappers/tcpd?]

2014-03-25 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/25/2014 02:41 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: stop your destructive FUD, without users developers and contributors are*meaningless* and with throwing alpha-state software to the users and make them bleed all the time you will end in no users at all if you don't understand that, don't care for

Re: leading vs. bleeding [was Re: Maybe it's time to get rid of tcpwrappers/tcpd?]

2014-03-25 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/25/2014 01:24 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 09:17:20PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: For the record Fedora is not a bleeding edge distro anymore or first in anything maybe some people should consider the difference between leading and bleeding smart: leading if things

[CANCELED] Agenda for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-03-25)

2014-03-25 Thread Tadej Janež
On Mon, 2014-03-24 at 15:20 -0400, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: WG meeting will be at 16:00 UTC, 17:00 Central Europe, 12:00 (noon) Boston, 9:00 San Francisco, 1:00 Tokyo in #fedora-meeting on Freenode. Today's meeting was canceled since there were only hhorak, drieden and me present. == Topic

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Java 8

2014-03-25 Thread Omair Majid
* Mikolaj Izdebski mizde...@redhat.com [2014-03-24 11:41]: On 03/22/2014 06:15 AM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Given the known large number of failures (OptionalJavadocs says 80% build failure rate without saying that all are JavaDoc-related), we really should do a mass rebuild to identify which

qemu / VNC / vino

2014-03-25 Thread Nathanael D. Noblet
Hello, So I've found a 'bug'. I have a group of developers who use vagrant/libvirt to develop against. We use VNC since we are a distributed team to connect to each other's desktops/workstations for when we're at the 'huh this makes no sense'. If libvirt/qemu-system-x86_64 starts before

Re: qemu / VNC / vino

2014-03-25 Thread Cole Robinson
On 03/25/2014 02:06 PM, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: Hello, So I've found a 'bug'. I have a group of developers who use vagrant/libvirt to develop against. We use VNC since we are a distributed team to connect to each other's desktops/workstations for when we're at the 'huh this makes no

Re: qemu / VNC / vino

2014-03-25 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 12:06:31PM -0600, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: Hello, So I've found a 'bug'. I have a group of developers who use vagrant/libvirt to develop against. We use VNC since we are a distributed team to connect to each other's desktops/workstations for when we're at the

Re: Let's close the remaining merge reviews

2014-03-25 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 03/25/2014 08:42 AM, Cole Robinson wrote: On 03/24/2014 08:07 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 04:41:29PM -0400, Cole Robinson wrote: An alternative would be to reassign every open merge review to the component in question, and let maintainers handle it as they like.

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Java 8

2014-03-25 Thread Omair Majid
* Mikolaj Izdebski mizde...@redhat.com [2014-03-24 11:55]: That's exactly the problem. We need to use a modified version of java-1.8.0-openjdk with extra provides and adjusted priorities for alternatives. I have started a new java-1.8.0-openjdk build that should fix this:

NetworkManager forget user network configurations: bug or feature?

2014-03-25 Thread Sergio Belkin
Hi Fedora folks, Since NetworkManager I suffer the same issue, release after release, ok, it's not a Fedora issue If I preserve the home partition and perform a newly installation, eg f19-f20 NetworkManager configurations per user are lost. I think that NM should respect the user settings

Re: NetworkManager forget user network configurations: bug or feature?

2014-03-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 16:19 -0300, Sergio Belkin wrote: Hi Fedora folks, Since NetworkManager I suffer the same issue, release after release, ok, it's not a Fedora issue If I preserve the home partition and perform a newly installation, eg f19-f20 NetworkManager configurations per user

Re: NetworkManager forget user network configurations: bug or feature?

2014-03-25 Thread Sergio Belkin
2014-03-25 16:20 GMT-03:00 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com: On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 16:19 -0300, Sergio Belkin wrote: Hi Fedora folks, Since NetworkManager I suffer the same issue, release after release, ok, it's not a Fedora issue If I preserve the home partition and perform a

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Java 8

2014-03-25 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
Please keep java 1.7.0 around for some time. It would make moving easier if we have to jump back for a build or two. Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team - Original Message - From: Omair Majid oma...@redhat.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora

Re: What will happen to XFCE, LXDE, Mate, Cinnemon in Fedora.Next

2014-03-25 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: I think this is rather overstating the case. I certainly don't think (and I already wrote) that it's enough to make everyone happy, but I think it actually is what some people want. Quite a lot of people install Ubuntu, for instance, and then add on GNOME or KDE or

Re: What will happen to XFCE, LXDE, Mate, Cinnemon in Fedora.Next

2014-03-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 21:07 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: I think this is rather overstating the case. I certainly don't think (and I already wrote) that it's enough to make everyone happy, but I think it actually is what some people want. Quite a lot of people install

Re: NetworkManager forget user network configurations: bug or feature?

2014-03-25 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: Um. Are you sure this is what is happening? Are you sure these aren't set as systemwide connections? NetworkManager 0.9 stores all connections systemwide, with permissions optionally restricting them to specific users. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list

Five Things in Fedora This Week (2014-03-25)

2014-03-25 Thread Matthew Miller
Reposted from http://fedoramagazine.org/five-things-in-fedora-this-week-2014-03-25/ Fedora is big project, and it’s hard to follow it all. This new feature will highlight interesting happenings in five different areas every week. It won’t be comprehensive news coverage — just quick summaries with

Re: What will happen to XFCE, LXDE, Mate, Cinnemon in Fedora.Next

2014-03-25 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: *My* point is that you should make your rhetoric match your point. Two or three of those quotations were direct rips from your previous emails on the topic. If you don't actually mean those things, then I suggest not writing them. I said it's madness and totally wacky

Re: What will happen to XFCE, LXDE, Mate, Cinnemon in Fedora.Next

2014-03-25 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 09:41:19PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: I said it's madness and totally wacky to NOT HAVE THE OPTION of installing your desktop directly, before first installing GNOME. That is also what I said almost all users are NOT going to put up with. I haven't heard anyone

Re: What will happen to XFCE, LXDE, Mate, Cinnemon in Fedora.Next

2014-03-25 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 09:41:19PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: I said it's madness and totally wacky to NOT HAVE THE OPTION of installing your desktop directly, before first installing GNOME. That is also what I

Re: EPEL Clang package doesn't work on Amazon Linux

2014-03-25 Thread Tyler Brock
Here is a gist containing the output of attempting to compile the program after installing the clang package on each platform I mentioned: https://gist.github.com/TylerBrock/9771402 -Tyler On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Tyler Brock tyler.br...@gmail.com wrote: To my knowledge it was

Re: What will happen to XFCE, LXDE, Mate, Cinnemon in Fedora.Next

2014-03-25 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 05:09:09PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: I said it's madness and totally wacky to NOT HAVE THE OPTION of installing your desktop directly, before first installing GNOME. That is also what I said almost all users are NOT going to put up with. I haven't heard anyone

Re: qemu / VNC / vino

2014-03-25 Thread Nathanael D. Noblet
On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 18:24 +, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: In /etc/libvirt/qemu.conf you can set remote_display_port_{min,max} to control the port range used So that is awesome thank you. Given that by default virt-manager/libvirt/qemu listens to 127.0.0.0:PORT as opposed to 0.0.0.0:PORT.

Re: qemu / VNC / vino

2014-03-25 Thread Cole Robinson
On 03/25/2014 05:43 PM, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 18:24 +, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: In /etc/libvirt/qemu.conf you can set remote_display_port_{min,max} to control the port range used So that is awesome thank you. Given that by default

Re: What will happen to XFCE, LXDE, Mate, Cinnemon in Fedora.Next

2014-03-25 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 05:09:09PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: I said it's madness and totally wacky to NOT HAVE THE OPTION of installing your desktop directly, before first installing GNOME. That is also what I

Re: qemu / VNC / vino

2014-03-25 Thread Nathanael D. Noblet
On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 17:51 -0400, Cole Robinson wrote: There was a bug about that in the past, but we rejected changing the default range. Libvirt and xen and qemu have all used the assumption of starting at port 5900 for too long, we didn't want to deal with any potential fallout for

Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-26)

2014-03-25 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '-MM-DD HH:MM UTC' Links to all tickets

EPEL Fedora 6 updates-testing report

2014-03-25 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 6 Security updates need testing: Age URL 703 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2012-5620/bugzilla-3.4.14-2.el6 132 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2013-12079/bip-0.8.9-1.el6 50

EPEL Fedora 5 updates-testing report

2014-03-25 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 5 Security updates need testing: Age URL 703 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2012-5630/bugzilla-3.2.10-5.el5 193 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2013-11560/fail2ban-0.8.10-4.el5 157

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Java 8

2014-03-25 Thread Christopher
I also would like to see 1.7.0 stick around for awhile. Not necessarily as the default, but at least available in the repos. As it stands, it's difficult to use a modern Fedora on projects that are still developing against JDK 1.6. -- Christopher L Tubbs II http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii On Tue,

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Java 8

2014-03-25 Thread Rob Kearey
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Christopher ctubb...@apache.org wrote: I also would like to see 1.7.0 stick around for awhile. Not necessarily as the default, but at least available in the repos. As it stands, it's difficult to use a modern Fedora on projects that are still developing against

Re: What will happen to XFCE, LXDE, Mate, Cinnemon in Fedora.Next

2014-03-25 Thread Dan Mashal
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: My point is that it must ALSO be possible to install the preferred desktop directly, without installing GNOME first. Exactly this. Installing MATE from the spin is not exactly the same thing as installing it from the

Looking for a new primary maintainer for gnote

2014-03-25 Thread Ankur Sinha
Hi, I'm not using Gnote any more. I've moved to bijiben a while back. Would any one like to take over the package as a primary maintainer? I don't mind helping with updates from time to time since they're generally quite easy, but since I don't use it at all I'm not the best choice for a primary

Re: Let's close the remaining merge reviews

2014-03-25 Thread पराग़
Hi, On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com wrote: On 03/25/2014 08:42 AM, Cole Robinson wrote: On 03/24/2014 08:07 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 04:41:29PM -0400, Cole Robinson wrote: An alternative would be to reassign every open merge

Broken dependencies: perl-PDL

2014-03-25 Thread buildsys
perl-PDL has broken dependencies in the epel-7 tree: On ppc64: perl-PDL-2.7.0-2.el7.1.ppc64 requires perl(PDL::Slatec) Please resolve this as soon as possible. -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list

Re: PEP453 // ensurepip // pip

2014-03-25 Thread Bohuslav Kabrda
- Original Message - I would say this one https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/1351 is important for us as packagers. It makes me nervous/upset and sad altogether :-). Awesome, well that’s on the list for 1.6 so that should be the next feature release of pip. Cool, thanks a lot!

Re: PEP453 // ensurepip // pip

2014-03-25 Thread Donald Stufft
On Mar 25, 2014, at 2:59 AM, Bohuslav Kabrda bkab...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - I would say this one https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/1351 is important for us as packagers. It makes me nervous/upset and sad altogether :-). Awesome, well that’s on the list for 1.6 so

Re: PEP453 // ensurepip // pip

2014-03-25 Thread Donald Stufft
On Mar 25, 2014, at 8:52 AM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote: Has this critical pip issue been addressed? https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-February/162518.html Not that i’m aware of, although it’s actually an issue where distutils and setuptools supports two