Re: Agenda for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-04-08)

2014-04-09 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 04/09/2014 02:07 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 04:16:58PM +0200, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: On 04/08/2014 03:02 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: not sure that the ruby scl should have its own change. It needs to have the equivalent filed for the fpc to evaluate, though.

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

2014-04-09 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 04/08/2014 10:46 PM, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: = Proposed Self Contained Change: Playground repository = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Playground_repository Change owner(s): Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com, Mirek

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

2014-04-09 Thread Christian Schaller
To chime in here, we have been doing something like this in GStreamer for a long while. There is 'plugins-base' and 'plugins-good' plugins which is comparable to the current core Fedora repository. Any plugin going into base or good need to conform to certain coding standards, licensing

trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Marius A
Hi there, I've been struggling keeping a fedora 20 install on a small SSD, with 6gb / partition (/home is separate). Besides removing packages, I also found this useful: 1. remove /usr/share/docs 2. remove /usr/share/locale/* (all except en and en_US) 3. cleanup /var/log/journal, which seems

Re: Five Things in Fedora This Week (2014-04-08)

2014-04-09 Thread Ian Malone
On 8 April 2014 23:01, Corey Sheldon sheldon.co...@gmail.com wrote: I'm glad to supply a mirror site for initial seeding for such actions as needed (GMT-4 (US ES/DT) Also great mailing list but curious do you plan on creating a blog or podcast with such info for those not always near email

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Marius A marius1...@gmail.com wrote: 1. remove /usr/share/docs Try this in /etc/rpm/macros.whatever: %_excludedocs 1 But that'll exclude _all_ files marked as docs in packages such as man pages, it's not limited to /usr/share/doc. You might also/instead want

Schedule for Wednesday's (today's) FESCo Meeting (2014-04-09)

2014-04-09 Thread Tomas Mraz
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '-MM-DD 18:00 UTC' Links to all tickets

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Framework for Server Role Deployment

2014-04-09 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Apr 8, 2014, at 9:48 PM, William Brown will...@firstyear.id.au wrote: == Detailed Description == A new D-Bus service will be made available, exposing available server roles, making it possible to deploy, configure and manage them. Appropriate functionality will also be exposed as a

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Framework for Server Role Deployment

2014-04-09 Thread drago01
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/08/2014 07:22 AM, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: Framework for Server

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Mono 3.4

2014-04-09 Thread Kalev Lember
On 04/08/2014 01:44 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: Mono 3.4 = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Mono_3.4 Change owner(s): Claudio Rodrigo Pereyra Diaz elsupergo...@fedoraproject.org Update the Mono stack in Fedora from 2.10 to 3.4 == Detailed

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Mono 3.4

2014-04-09 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - On 04/08/2014 01:44 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: Mono 3.4 = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Mono_3.4 Change owner(s): Claudio Rodrigo Pereyra Diaz elsupergo...@fedoraproject.org Update the Mono stack in Fedora from

Re: Packager on RHEL5/CentOS5?

2014-04-09 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 02:13:32PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: Hi everyone, As you may know I am working on updating our package database (pkgdb) to a new version named pkgdb2. In this process, pkgdb-cli has got re-writen and now ships a pkgdb2.py python module that can be used as an

Re: Packager on RHEL5/CentOS5?

2014-04-09 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 02:13:32PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: My question is thus, is there anyone here that is using RHEL5/CentOS5 to do packaging for Fedora/EPEL? If so, and if you rely on fedpkg/pkgdb-cli for it, please say so :) (here or on [2]). OK I think I read this backwards in

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Michal Schmidt
On 04/09/2014 09:33 AM, Marius A wrote: 3. cleanup /var/log/journal, which seems it's not automatically rotated It's supposed to be automatic. How big did it become on your system? If the default size limits do not suit you, you can change them in /etc/systemd/journald.conf. Michal -- devel

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/09/2014 07:33 AM, Marius A wrote: Are there any other disk space saving tips? Users should not have to result doing disk saving tips. I would say in the long run we should be working towards creating separated locale,doc,man packages JBG -- devel mailing list

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/09/2014 07:23 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 04/09/2014 07:33 AM, Marius A wrote: Are there any other disk space saving tips? Users should not have to result doing disk saving tips. I would say in the long run we should be

Re: Agenda for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-04-08)

2014-04-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 05:14:37PM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: OTOH, how does the Cloud SIG want to use the SCL? If they want to create things that are outside of the SCL that make use of it, that would seem to be a point of coordination and thus would be Fedora Change worthy... On yet

Re: Packager on RHEL5/CentOS5?

2014-04-09 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 12:23:03PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 02:13:32PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: My question is thus, is there anyone here that is using RHEL5/CentOS5 to do packaging for Fedora/EPEL? If so, and if you rely on fedpkg/pkgdb-cli for it,

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/09/2014 11:50 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/09/2014 07:23 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 04/09/2014 07:33 AM, Marius A wrote: Are there any other disk space saving tips? Users should not have to result doing disk saving tips. I

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 07:50:37AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: I would say in the long run we should be working towards creating separated locale,doc,man packages Hmm, I wonder if RPM 4.12 would allow us to do this with weak dependencies? Perhaps something like having a metapackage on

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Florian Festi
On 04/09/2014 01:50 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On 04/09/2014 07:23 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 04/09/2014 07:33 AM, Marius A wrote: Are there any other disk space saving tips? Users should not have to result doing disk saving tips. I would say in the long run we should be

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Framework for Server Role Deployment

2014-04-09 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/09/2014 06:02 AM, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/08/2014 07:22 AM, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Jaroslav

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 10:33:25AM +0300, Marius A wrote: I've been struggling keeping a fedora 20 install on a small SSD, with 6gb / partition (/home is separate). This part of conversation probably belongs on the user list rather than devel. But there are some development-related aspects (see

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Basil Mohamed Gohar
On 04/09/2014 03:33 AM, Marius A wrote: I think less than 0.1% of users ever look into /usr/share/doc, but I don't have any data to back this up. I think I must fit into this 0.1% (and I am not disputing that that is the correct ratio, either) because I definitely use /usr/share/doc, but

[Bug 1085336] perl-DBIx-Class-0.08250-2.fc21 FTBFS

2014-04-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1085336 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|MODIFIED Fixed In

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 09:53:10AM -0400, Basil Mohamed Gohar wrote: I think I must fit into this 0.1% (and I am not disputing that that is the correct ratio, either) because I definitely use /usr/share/doc, but mostly because that holds more than just documentation. For example, avahi stores

[Bug 1085579] perl-Moose compiled for perl API v5.16.0; fedora perl now at v5.18.0

2014-04-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1085579 --- Comment #3 from simon.gal...@gmail.com --- I can confirm that the issue was local to one system -- our bad! Thanks! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. Unsubscribe from this bug

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/09/2014 10:01 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 09:53:10AM -0400, Basil Mohamed Gohar wrote: I think I must fit into this 0.1% (and I am not disputing that that is the correct ratio, either) because I definitely use

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 10:10:37AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: I think I must fit into this 0.1% (and I am not disputing that that is the correct ratio, either) because I definitely use /usr/share/doc, but mostly because that holds more than just documentation. For example, avahi

[perl-SQL-Abstract] Update to 1.77

2014-04-09 Thread Paul Howarth
commit 99236d52ff15dafb27b0e2b2541de0c65303481f Author: Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org Date: Wed Apr 9 15:15:25 2014 +0100 Update to 1.77 - Update to latest upstream version - This release by RIBASUSHI - update source URL - BR: perl(Data::Dumper) and perl(Test::Deep) ≥

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/09/2014 04:01 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 09:53:10AM -0400, Basil Mohamed Gohar wrote: I think I must fit into this 0.1% (and I am not disputing that that is the correct ratio, either) because I definitely use /usr/share/doc, but mostly because that holds more than

[perl-SQL-Abstract] Created tag perl-SQL-Abstract-1.77-1.fc21

2014-04-09 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-SQL-Abstract-1.77-1.fc21' was created pointing to: 99236d5... Update to 1.77 -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/09/2014 03:53 PM, Basil Mohamed Gohar wrote: Having said that, I am all for saving space on a default install and/or making a more minimal install possible. I noticed just now that manpages are compressed, but with gz. I am sure this discussion has already happened, but maybe we can

ImageMagick 6.8.8-10 in rawhide. Soname change.

2014-04-09 Thread Pavel Alexeev
Hello. New version landed in rawhide. Sorry for the late info - incidental soname change happened (fixed in spec now): /usr/lib64/libMagick++-6.Q16.so.1 /usr/lib64/libMagick++-6.Q16.so.1.0.0 /usr/lib64/libMagickCore-6.Q16.so.1 /usr/lib64/libMagickCore-6.Q16.so.1.0.0

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2014-04-09 at 08:39 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 07:50:37AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: I would say in the long run we should be working towards creating separated locale,doc,man packages Hmm, I wonder if RPM 4.12 would allow us to do this with weak

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/09/2014 02:31 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: So, I'd question the usefulness of not installing man-page It's more about getting to the point of being able to remove them and or have the option not to install them. Whether they should or should not be installed by default depends on

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: So, I'd question the usefulness of not installing man-pages, because their sizes are comparatively small on today's disk-scales, e.g. on my primary system: # du -sh /usr/share/man 89M /usr/share/man That's almost

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Corey Sheldon
may be easier to just rewrite the mandb for it rather than create extra confusion of two man pages Corey W Sheldon Owner, 1st Class Mobile Shine 310.909.7672 www.facebook.com/1stclassmobileshine On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/09/2014

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: It's more about getting to the point of being able to remove them and or have the option not to install them. See my other email on this thread. Following on what I wrote there, instead of reworking all the

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Alexey I. Froloff
On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 02:49:56PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: So, I'd question the usefulness of not installing man-page It's more about getting to the point of being able to remove them and or have the option not to install them. Since man pages are marked as %doc, you can use

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/09/2014 02:59 PM, Alexey I. Froloff wrote: On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 02:49:56PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: So, I'd question the usefulness of not installing man-page It's more about getting to the point of being able to remove them and or have the option not to install them.

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Florian Festi
On 04/09/2014 04:53 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: From the desktop/workstation perspective, here are a few things I would like to see if we decide to work on this: Support for a new locale is more or less like a 'system extension' for the OS. It would be good to define clear rules for what it

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Alexey I. Froloff
On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 03:00:24PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Does not solve the problem of dependency like for example if we want to get rid of man-db and it's dependency's so forth and so on. Well, it does solve the wasted disk space problem. The only way we can move forward is

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/09/2014 08:42 AM, Florian Festi wrote: On 04/09/2014 01:50 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On 04/09/2014 07:23 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 04/09/2014 07:33 AM, Marius A wrote: Are there any other disk space saving tips? Users

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Framework for Server Role Deployment

2014-04-09 Thread drago01
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/09/2014 06:02 AM, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Florian Festi
On 04/09/2014 05:23 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: This construct would be extremely valuable to the SSSD as well: %package -n client Recommends: sssd-client.i686 if glibc.i686 That's not exactly by accident... It's pretty easy to install a language at package-install time, but in order to

[Bug 1085905] New: perl-Catalyst-Model-DBIC-Schema-0.61-1.fc21 FTBFS

2014-04-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1085905 Bug ID: 1085905 Summary: perl-Catalyst-Model-DBIC-Schema-0.61-1.fc21 FTBFS Product: Fedora Version: 20 Component: perl-Catalyst-Model-DBIC-Schema Assignee: iarn...@gmail.com

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Framework for Server Role Deployment

2014-04-09 Thread David Malcolm
On Wed, 2014-04-09 at 08:45 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On 04/09/2014 06:02 AM, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/08/2014 07:22 AM, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/09/2014 04:49 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 04/09/2014 02:31 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: So, I'd question the usefulness of not installing man-page It's more about getting to the point of being able to remove them and or have the option not to install them. Well, rpm-wise, all

[fedocal] The end of the fedora-meeting* calendars

2014-04-09 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
Dear all, Today, Ralph and I braced ourselves and went onto the fedora-meeting, fedora-meeting-1 and fedora-meeting-2 calendars on fedocal and moved all the meetings in there into other calendars. With the introduction of the meeting location, having a dedicated calendar for the irc chans does

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/09/2014 04:14 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: C'mon, we have packages whose install-sizes are measured in 10ths and 100s of MBs ... and we have other dirs which can easily grow beyond any limits. I was refering to it being in the eye of the beholder so to speak but as I see it we need

Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2014-04-10 16:00 UTC)

2014-04-09 Thread James Antill
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FPC meeting Thursday at 2014-04-10 16:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on irc.freenode.net. Local time information (via. rktime): 2014-04-10 09:00 Thu US/Pacific PDT 2014-04-10 12:00 Thu US/Eastern EDT 2014-04-10

Re: Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2014-04-10 16:00 UTC)

2014-04-09 Thread Bill Nottingham
James Antill (ja...@fedoraproject.org) said: For more complete details, please visit each individual ticket. The report of the agenda items can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/report/12 If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to this e-mail, file a

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Bill Nottingham
Florian Festi (ffe...@redhat.com) said: 1) Normal weak dependencies. In a normal install all the docs (and all other bells and whistles) get installed by default. You can remove/deselect packages which are pulled in by weak dependencies. You can even switch off all weak dependencies to only

Re: Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2014-04-10 16:00 UTC)

2014-04-09 Thread Antonio Trande
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/09/2014 08:04 PM, James Antill wrote: Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FPC meeting Thursday at 2014-04-10 16:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on irc.freenode.net. = Followups = (approval and retirement

Re: Reinstalling the bootloader

2014-04-09 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:41 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: You need to install or reinstall grub2-efi and shim packages. Aha, a correct answer! Thanks! Based on this hint, I think I figured it out. I updated the wiki accordingly. Can you take a quick look at:

Re: Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2014-04-10 16:00 UTC)

2014-04-09 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2014-04-09 at 20:45 +0200, Antonio Trande wrote: I don't see the topic about bundled files in Icecat ( https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/391). It's still pending. AFAIK it's not, if you look at the log from the last meeting:

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2014-04-09 at 12:37 +0300, Ville Skyttä wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Marius A marius1...@gmail.com wrote: 1. remove /usr/share/docs Try this in /etc/rpm/macros.whatever: %_excludedocs 1 For recent yum it's significantly better to do: yum fs filter nodocs Try this

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Framework for Server Role Deployment

2014-04-09 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/09/2014 05:54 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On Apr 8, 2014, at 9:48 PM, William Brown will...@firstyear.id.au mailto:will...@firstyear.id.au wrote: == Detailed Description == A new D-Bus service will be made available, exposing

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Billy Crook
I would like to see logic like this: manpage files don't get installed unless/until: 1) packagename-manpages is requested to be installed by the user. that package would require the 'man' package. OR 2) package is installed AND man is installed. Don't wan't the manpages taking up disk space?

Re: [CHANGE PROPOSAL] The securetty file is empty by default

2014-04-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 02.04.14 09:12, quickbooks office (quickbooks.off...@gmail.com) wrote: [CHANGE PROPOSAL] The securetty file is empty by default All the info has been sitting here @ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/securetty_file_is_empty_by_default since March 20th. Did I mess something

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 03:57:27PM -0400, James Antill wrote: For recent yum it's significantly better to do: yum fs filter nodocs Dito. to get rid of extra languages by: yum fs filter langs en ...then you can yum fs refilter / yum fs refilter-cleanup. So -- if the host is originally

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.04.2014 22:05, schrieb Billy Crook: I would like to see logic like this: manpage files don't get installed unless/until: 1) packagename-manpages is requested to be installed by the user. that package would require the 'man' package. OR 2) package is installed AND man is installed.

Re: [CHANGE PROPOSAL] The securetty file is empty by default

2014-04-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 10:20:36PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: [technical reasoning snipped] Hence: please let's just remove securetty entirely from the default PAM stacks. It's annoying, it creates a false sense of security, it's a relict of a different time and not compatible with modern

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2014-04-09 at 10:54 -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote: There are some limited use cases that aren't ideal now with install_lang and exclude_docs. For example, installing missing docs or langs -- for all or some packages. But that seems like it could be solved by a script that drives rpm to

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Billy Crook
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.netwrote: Am 09.04.2014 22:05, schrieb Billy Crook: I would like to see logic like this: manpage files don't get installed unless/until: 1) packagename-manpages is requested to be installed by the user. that package would

Re: [CHANGE PROPOSAL] The securetty file is empty by default

2014-04-09 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org said: On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 10:20:36PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: [technical reasoning snipped] Hence: please let's just remove securetty entirely from the default PAM stacks. It's annoying, it creates a false sense of

Re: [CHANGE PROPOSAL] The securetty file is empty by default

2014-04-09 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 9 Apr 2014, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org said: On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 10:20:36PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: [technical reasoning snipped] Hence: please let's just remove securetty entirely from the default PAM stacks. It's

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Florian Festi
On 04/09/2014 08:42 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Given the number of packages that ship localization, this seems like it would have a pretty dramatic effect on metadata size. Is this a concern? Meta data is a concern. But the major part of the meta data is file data and change logs. Everything

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/09/2014 10:05 PM, Billy Crook wrote: I would like to see logic like this: manpage files don't get installed unless/until: 1) packagename-manpages is requested to be installed by the user. that package would require the 'man' package. OR 2) package is installed AND man is installed. In

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.04.2014 23:01, schrieb Billy Crook: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net mailto:h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 09.04.2014 22:05, schrieb Billy Crook: I would like to see logic like this: manpage files don't get installed

Re: [CHANGE PROPOSAL] The securetty file is empty by default

2014-04-09 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Paul Wouters p...@nohats.ca said: On Wed, 9 Apr 2014, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org said: On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 10:20:36PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: [technical reasoning snipped] Hence: please let's just remove

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Mono 3.4

2014-04-09 Thread Kalev Lember
On 04/09/2014 12:42 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: So yes, FESCo should take it into consideration but I'd like to avoid situation when this Change will be banned solely on not a maintainer. Yes -- I am hoping that someone who understands the Mono stack and has distro-wide commit access would step

Re: [CHANGE PROPOSAL] The securetty file is empty by default

2014-04-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 09.04.14 22:20, Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) wrote: This sounds entirely backwards, and I'd instead vote for removing securetty from the PAM stacks we ship altogether. The concept is outdated. It was useful in a time where the primary way to access a server was via

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Framework for Server Role Deployment

2014-04-09 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Rob Kearey r...@ningaui.net wrote: This Change, as written, is *extremely* vague, moreso that most other changes that are filed for Fedora. Is it intended to be updated with more information when that becomes available? +1 - What are 'server roles'? Are we just

Re: [CHANGE PROPOSAL] The securetty file is empty by default

2014-04-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 11:39:19PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: To clarify this: while I believe dropping securetty from the default PAM config is the right thing to do, I am not vulunteering to do it. But I'd love to see somebody to pick this up! I looked, and I think this is just a

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/09/2014 09:12 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 04/09/2014 10:05 PM, Billy Crook wrote: I would like to see logic like this: manpage files don't get installed unless/until: 1) packagename-manpages is requested to be installed by the user. that package would require the 'man' package. OR 2)

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 10.04.2014 00:00, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 04/09/2014 09:12 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 04/09/2014 10:05 PM, Billy Crook wrote: I would like to see logic like this: manpage files don't get installed unless/until: 1) packagename-manpages is requested to be installed by the

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/09/2014 10:06 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: no - if i type man whatever and that starts to pull 10 MB packages i stop and think 5 seconds if there is one of my ,ore than 30 machines which have it already That is you If I was concern with that I would have done the thinking ahead of time

New Copr release

2014-04-09 Thread Miroslav Suchy
Hi, I just deployed new version of Copr. https://copr.fedoraproject.org/ Changes: * a lot of small bugfixes * each src.rpm have separate task now - you can still submit bunch of src.rpm, but the list of src.rpm are split and each src.rpm is submitted to builders as one task. This means that

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Framework for Server Role Deployment

2014-04-09 Thread Rob K
On 10/04/2014 7:50 AM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: +1 - What are 'server roles'? Are we just reinventing Ansible/Puppet/et al here? Yeah, why is someone spending time creating a new Fedora-specific configuration management system rather than just shipping an Ansible playbook or a Salt formula or

Re: ImageMagick 6.8.8-10 in rawhide. Soname change.

2014-04-09 Thread Tadej Janež
Hi! On Tue, 2014-04-08 at 18:30 +0400, Pavel Alexeev wrote: Packages for rebuild: $ repoquery --repoid=rawhide --whatrequires --alldeps ImageMagick\* | fgrep -v 'ImageMagick-' | sort -u As Michael Schwendt already pointed out, your query missed some packages that need rebuilding (BTW, I

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Mono 3.4

2014-04-09 Thread Christopher Meng
I've contacted the current mono maintainer since last autumn, he had been working on it for a while. And I think he is an expert on this rather than the current proposer. Plus it's my first time to see the proposal from an extraneous people outside. We ought not to bring in extraneous people in

Re: ImageMagick 6.8.8-10 in rawhide. Soname change.

2014-04-09 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Qui, 2014-04-10 at 01:40 +0200, Tadej Janež wrote: Hi! On Tue, 2014-04-08 at 18:30 +0400, Pavel Alexeev wrote: Packages for rebuild: $ repoquery --repoid=rawhide --whatrequires --alldeps ImageMagick\* | fgrep -v 'ImageMagick-' | sort -u As Michael Schwendt already pointed out,

[Bug 1085704] New: tests failing on big endians

2014-04-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1085704 Bug ID: 1085704 Summary: tests failing on big endians Product: Fedora Version: 20 Component: slic3r Assignee: mhron...@redhat.com Reporter: d...@danny.cz QA

[Bug 1085230] perl-Starlet-0.21-1.fc21 FTBFS

2014-04-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1085230 --- Comment #2 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org --- perl-Starlet-0.21-2.fc20 has been submitted as an update for Fedora 20. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/perl-Starlet-0.21-2.fc20 -- You are receiving this mail

[Bug 1085230] perl-Starlet-0.21-1.fc21 FTBFS

2014-04-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1085230 --- Comment #3 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org --- perl-Starlet-0.21-2.fc19 has been submitted as an update for Fedora 19. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/perl-Starlet-0.21-2.fc19 -- You are receiving this mail

[Bug 1085230] perl-Starlet-0.21-1.fc21 FTBFS

2014-04-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1085230 Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de changed: What|Removed |Added Status|MODIFIED|CLOSED

[Bug 1085579] perl-Moose compiled for perl API v5.16.0; fedora perl now at v5.18.0

2014-04-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1085579 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |CLOSED

[Bug 1085704] tests failing on big endians

2014-04-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1085704 --- Comment #1 from Miro Hrončok mhron...@redhat.com --- Honestly, I have no idea how to fix this. I will report this upstream, but chances are, the bug is in some of the used Perl module. Looking at [1] it is clear the test was introduced

[Bug 1085704] tests failing on big endians

2014-04-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1085704 --- Comment #2 from Miro Hrončok mhron...@redhat.com --- Reported https://github.com/alexrj/Slic3r/issues/1924 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. Unsubscribe from this bug

[Bug 1082957] perl does not build with GCC 4.9

2014-04-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1082957 --- Comment #1 from Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com --- This has been worked around by adding -fwrapv to ccflags with these two commits: commit 869747506fd0081f6c7eed149ec6f7adbcc4d5b1 Author: H.Merijn Brand h.m.br...@xs4all.nl Date: Wed Apr 9

[Bug 1085336] perl-DBIx-Class-0.08250-2.fc21 FTBFS

2014-04-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1085336 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Severity|unspecified |high --- Comment #1

[Bug 803340] RFE: update to at least 1.40

2014-04-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=803340 Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org changed: What|Removed |Added Type|--- |Bug -- You are

[Bug 803340] RFE: update to at least 1.40

2014-04-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=803340 Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |CLOSED

File DBIx-Class-0.08270.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by pghmcfc

2014-04-09 Thread Paul Howarth
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-DBIx-Class: 4c574ad83a6f7456801e234f78c45f10 DBIx-Class-0.08270.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[Bug 1085336] perl-DBIx-Class-0.08250-2.fc21 FTBFS

2014-04-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1085336 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |ASSIGNED

[perl-DBIx-Class] Adapt to new sqlite-3.8.2 exception messages

2014-04-09 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 14999c3525ac7993a8db3615087d46445fb5bcc0 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Wed Apr 9 15:42:48 2014 +0200 Adapt to new sqlite-3.8.2 exception messages ...SQLite-changed-their-exception-text-again.patch | 67 perl-DBIx-Class.spec

[perl-DBIx-Class/f20] Adapt to new sqlite-3.8.2 exception messages

2014-04-09 Thread Petr Pisar
Summary of changes: 14999c3... Adapt to new sqlite-3.8.2 exception messages (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[Bug 1085579] perl-Moose compiled for perl API v5.16.0; fedora perl now at v5.18.0

2014-04-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1085579 --- Comment #2 from simon.gal...@gmail.com --- Thanks -- will check on the other systems. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. Unsubscribe from this bug

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