Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2020-11-11)

2020-11-19 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 19.11.2020 23:13, Matthew Miller wrote: Some packagers in Fedora do not have time to maintain the build dependencies for the packages that they are actually interested in and have time to build. By allowing such packages, we will open the Pandora's box. Most of them will never receive

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 19.11.2020 23:11, Michael Catanzaro wrote: Enjoy: https://github.com/matrix-org/purple-matrix/ I suggest not using purple-matrix as it doesn't support most of the protocol features such as quotes, replies, message editing, etc. due to libpurple's internal limitations (immutable history).

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 19.11.2020 23:55, Matthew Miller wrote: In this case for our server, we would use FAS single-sign-on for accounts. But this server should support Matrix federation feature. We shouldn't force users to use only this server in order to be able to participate in discussions. I already have

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 20.11.2020 02:06, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: I know the difference and yes, you're able to participate without registration in that room. There are free levels of privacy settings: 1. join via invitation; 2. public group with guests; 3. public room without guests. Most of rooms

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 20.11.2020 05:14, Matthew Miller wrote: When I view this room in a private browser window, I can see the conversation, but at the bottom, it says "Join the conversation with an account" and presents "Sign In" / "Sign Up" buttons. In the room settings, admins can enable or disable guests

Fedora-Cloud-33-20201120.0 compose check report

2020-11-19 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Soft failed openQA tests: 1/7 (x86_64), 1/7 (aarch64) (Tests completed, but using a workaround for a known bug) Old soft failures (same test soft failed in Fedora-Cloud-33-20201119.0): ID: 726218 Test: x86_64 Cloud_Base-qcow2-qcow2 cloud_autocloud URL:

[Bug 1899556] perl-PDL-2.025 is available

2020-11-19 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1899556 Jitka Plesnikova changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |ASSIGNED

[Bug 1898691] perl-Tk-GraphViz-1.07 is available

2020-11-19 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1898691 Jitka Plesnikova changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |CLOSED CC|

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Benson Muite
I'm not going to give a firm recommendation for or against any platform but I'd like to make two suggestions: a) why not slow the process down and allow more ideas to come forward? There is no urgent need to change things in a month or whatever. This is a reasonable suggestion. Since one can

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 02:06:46AM +0100, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > > No, you don't. I've just joined a random room without any kind of > > > registration. Try it yourself if you don't believe me: > > > https://app.element.io/#/room/#lounge:privacytools.io > > You are able to view

Re: Fedora 33 in GCP

2020-11-19 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 07:41:02PM -0500, Dusty Mabe wrote: > We have published an image into GCP for Fedora 33 (see [1]). > The details are: > image project: fedora-cloud > image name:fedora-cloud-base-gcp-33-1-2-x86-64 > We're hoping to get this information added to the website at some

[EPEL-devel] Fedora EPEL 8 updates-testing report

2020-11-19 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 8 Security updates need testing: Age URL 7 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2020-2aa68c5f5e tor-0.4.3.7-1.el8 7 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2020-317c124dc0 rpki-client-6.8p1-1.el8 6

[Bug 1899180] perl-PAR-Dist-0.50 is available

2020-11-19 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1899180 --- Comment #4 from Fedora Update System --- FEDORA-2020-0971c820e4 has been pushed to the Fedora 32 testing repository. In short time you'll be able to install the update with the following command: `sudo dnf upgrade

[Bug 1899180] perl-PAR-Dist-0.50 is available

2020-11-19 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1899180 Fedora Update System changed: What|Removed |Added Status|MODIFIED|ON_QA --- Comment #3 from

Mock needs more space

2020-11-19 Thread Brandon Nielsen
I'm attempting an armhfp build with mock and it insists it needs "At least 243MB more space needed on the / filesystem." I have 1.1 TB free on /, so I'm assuming there's some kind of limit set somehow, but I can't figure out how to adjust it. I don't see anything that looks promising in the

Re: libcap-ng update coming to rawhide

2020-11-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2020-11-18 at 14:32 -0500, Steve Grubb wrote: > On Thursday, November 12, 2020 2:45:41 PM EST Steve Grubb wrote: > > A new version of libcap-ng is going to be released next week. Normally this > >  isn't newsworthy, nor is this a soname version bump. But it is important > > to let the

[Bug 1898438] perl-Search-Xapian-1.2.25.4 is available

2020-11-19 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1898438 Upstream Release Monitoring changed: What|Removed |Added Summary|perl-Search-Xapian-1.2.25.3

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Friday, 20 November 2020 at 02:01, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 7:56 PM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > > > No, you don't. I've just joined a random room without any kind of > > registration. Try it yourself if you don't believe me: > >

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 7:56 PM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > No, you don't. I've just joined a random room without any kind of > registration. Try it yourself if you don't believe me: > https://app.element.io/#/room/#lounge:privacytools.io > You are able to view it but are you

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Thursday, 19 November 2020 at 23:52, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 11:37 pm, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski > wrote: > > Instead of channels, you have rooms and users can be either > > unregistered or registered, just like on IRC. > > No, you have to register. No, you

Fedora 33 in GCP

2020-11-19 Thread Dusty Mabe
We have published an image into GCP for Fedora 33 (see [1]). The details are: image project: fedora-cloud image name:fedora-cloud-base-gcp-33-1-2-x86-64 We're hoping to get this information added to the website at some point. Dusty [1] https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/318

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2020-11-11)

2020-11-19 Thread Christian Glombek
I'm opposed to this change as well, due to, imo, making it harder/less obvious/more confusing to see where I have to pull from any given package that I want to consume as an end-user on my system, or as a package maintainer in my buildroot. I've however found myself having to maintain packages

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Dan Čermák
Elliott Sales de Andrade writes: >> > I honestly can see exactly zero downsides to using a Matrix setup as >> > compared to using IRC, and a giant pile of upsides, starting with "I no >> > longer need to dedicate a small portion of my brain to remembering how >> > my IRC bouncer setup works and

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2020-11-11)

2020-11-19 Thread Dan Čermák
Emmanuel Seyman writes: >> However, I'm not stuck on that one and it's probably not useful to stay >> stuck on it if there's not enough support to do it. So, let's find a >> different solution. > > What exactly do you want to do with this list of lightly-maintained > packages? I have been

[Bug 1899767] New: perl-HTTP-Cookies-6.09 is available

2020-11-19 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1899767 Bug ID: 1899767 Summary: perl-HTTP-Cookies-6.09 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Status: NEW Component: perl-HTTP-Cookies Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Elliott Sales de Andrade
On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 14:44, Tom Hughes via devel wrote: > > On 19/11/2020 19:25, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > I mean, I'm an old fogey too, but at *some* point we do have to accept > > that new things can be actively better. > > True. > > > I honestly can see exactly zero downsides to using a

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2020-11-11)

2020-11-19 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Matthew Miller [19/11/2020 17:13] : > > Some packagers in Fedora do not have time to maintain the build dependencies > for the packages that they are actually interested in and have time to > build. I suspect that these packages are maintained only to the point where they can build (and thus be

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 5:55 PM Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 04:52:56PM -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > wrote: > > > Instead of channels, you have rooms and users can be either > > >unregistered or registered, just like on IRC. > > No, you have to register. > > In this

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 04:52:56PM -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > wrote: > > Instead of channels, you have rooms and users can be either > >unregistered or registered, just like on IRC. > No, you have to register. In this case for our server, we would use FAS single-sign-on for accounts. --

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 11:37 pm, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: Instead of channels, you have rooms and users can be either unregistered or registered, just like on IRC. No, you have to register. ___ devel mailing list --

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 23:37 +0100, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > On Thursday, 19 November 2020 at 21:46, Erich Eickmeyer wrote: > > On 11/19/20 12:32 PM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > > I don't know how Matrix works exactly... > > Then I suggest educating yourself. Go to

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 11:37:05PM +0100, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > Oh and it's extremely slow compared to IRC. The federation you mean, or in general? It is true that the free matrix.org can get overwhelmed; this is one of the reasons for having our own server. -- Matthew Miller

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Thursday, 19 November 2020 at 21:46, Erich Eickmeyer wrote: > On 11/19/20 12:32 PM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > I don't know how Matrix works exactly... > Then I suggest educating yourself. Go to element.io and check it out. So I did and it's not that different from IRC from an

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:22:26PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: >http://whenisgood.net/k5brwbd FWIW so far tomorrow and next week are (not surprisingly given the US holidays) much less popular than the week of November 30, so let's continue the discussion here and on the Discourse thread.

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2020-11-11)

2020-11-19 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 03:04:26PM -0500, Robbie Harwood wrote: > What I believe Alex and I are arguing is that there is no technical > advantage to RHEL-style repo-splitting where some packages go in one > repo and a non-overlapping set goes in another. Rather, it incurs a > large burden both on

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 7:43 pm, Tom Hughes via devel wrote: There's also the fact that unless I can get it to talk to all the same chat systems I have pidgin talking to I would need to be running two clients instead of one. Enjoy: https://github.com/matrix-org/purple-matrix/

[Bug 1899731] New: perl-ExtUtils-MakeMaker-7.56 is available

2020-11-19 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1899731 Bug ID: 1899731 Summary: perl-ExtUtils-MakeMaker-7.56 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Status: NEW Component: perl-ExtUtils-MakeMaker Keywords:

[EPEL-devel] [Fedocal] Reminder meeting : EPEL Steering Committee

2020-11-19 Thread tdawson
Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: EPEL Steering Committee on 2020-11-20 from 21:00:00 to 22:00:00 UTC At fedora-meet...@irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: This is the weekly EPEL Steering Committee Meeting. A general agenda is the following: #meetingname EPEL

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Erich Eickmeyer
On 11/19/20 12:32 PM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: I don't know how Matrix works exactly... Then I suggest educating yourself. Go to element.io and check it out. If you don't know what it is or how it works, then why chime-in? That adds nothing to the conversation if you don't know

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Thursday, 19 November 2020 at 19:47, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 19.11.2020 19:31, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > Just like IRC. > > No. If the FreeNode network goes down, all Fedora IRC chats will > disappear. Network consists of multiple servers. They'd all have to go

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2020-11-11)

2020-11-19 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 03:04:26PM -0500, Robbie Harwood wrote: > >> As my team has found out within Red Hat, this repo split has been a > >> large PITA. Because RHEL also won't self-host and many sub-packages > >> are missing from released bits that are otherwise available in e.g., > >>

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread José Abílio Matos
On Thursday, November 19, 2020 5:54:52 PM WET Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > I'm not sure that message editing is a feature. In fairness as long as the grace period is fixed and small that is not a bad thing. E.g it allows you to fix lots of cases where you found that the message was incomplete

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 08:00:24PM +, Tom Hughes via devel wrote: > On 19/11/2020 19:49, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > The GNOME-based one is Fractal, which is not available in Fedora as of > > right now. That said, the Qt based ones are in way better shape than > > the GNOME one. And

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2020-11-11)

2020-11-19 Thread Robbie Harwood
Matthew Miller writes: > On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 03:37:11PM -0500, Alexander Scheel wrote: >> I second what Robbie has said as well. >> >> I am against the thought of this change. >> >> As my team has found out within Red Hat, this repo split has been a >> large PITA. Because RHEL also won't

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Tom Hughes via devel
On 19/11/2020 19:49, Neal Gompa wrote: The GNOME-based one is Fractal, which is not available in Fedora as of right now. That said, the Qt based ones are in way better shape than the GNOME one. And QGnomePlatform should make them work reasonably well... My problem, at least on this hidpi

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 19:43 +, Tom Hughes via devel wrote: > > No doubt there are others I can try... https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Fractal -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 2:44 PM Tom Hughes via devel wrote: > > On 19/11/2020 19:25, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > I mean, I'm an old fogey too, but at *some* point we do have to accept > > that new things can be actively better. > > True. > > > I honestly can see exactly zero downsides to using a

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Tom Hughes via devel
On 19/11/2020 19:25, Adam Williamson wrote: I mean, I'm an old fogey too, but at *some* point we do have to accept that new things can be actively better. True. I honestly can see exactly zero downsides to using a Matrix setup as compared to using IRC, and a giant pile of upsides, starting

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 14:25, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 14:15 -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > > My apologies for that misinformation. While a federated chat system is a > > network of servers for people being social, I should not tie them in the > > same crappile

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 05:55:49PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 06:50:21PM +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > No, please. IRC bridges need to be closed to force users to switch > > to Matrix. > "force"? You may have said the quiet bit aloud ... To be clear,

Re: systemd-resolved in a container

2020-11-19 Thread Alexander Bokovoy
On to, 19 marras 2020, Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos wrote: On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 2:23 PM Alexander Bokovoy wrote: On ke, 18 marras 2020, Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos wrote: >Hi, > I realized my fedora-based containers have an /etc/resolv.conf which >claims it is managed by resolved, and nsswitch.conf

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 14:15 -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > My apologies for that misinformation. While a federated chat system is a > network of servers for people being social, I should not tie them in the > same crappile as Social Networks where my logins and engagement are > measured

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 13:29, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 13:23 -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 12:57, Richard W.M. Jones > wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 06:50:21PM +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel > wrote: > > > > On 19.11.2020 18:34,

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 05:53:29PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > I too love dinosaurs... but I also work on 4 different computers and two > > mobile > > devices every day. Having to literally switch hardware to participate in IRC > > meetings is pain in the ass for some of our contributors

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 19:28 +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 19.11.2020 19:16, Adam Williamson wrote: > > If we use a central server, only one server needs maintaining, and the > > problem is solved for everyone. The benefit seems pretty clear. > > Matrix don't need a central server.

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 05:08:08PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > There's quite a lot wrong here - a video meeting(!) to discuss > dropping a commonly used and well established channel of > communication. Well, I guess at least you didn't decide to use the > proprietary awfulness of Slack. >

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 19.11.2020 19:31, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: Just like IRC. No. If the FreeNode network goes down, all Fedora IRC chats will disappear. In Matrix if one server will stop working, users can easily switch to another and continue chatting. All messages will be saved. Also users

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2020-11-11)

2020-11-19 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 03:37:11PM -0500, Alexander Scheel wrote: > I second what Robbie has said as well. > > I am against the thought of this change. > > As my team has found out within Red Hat, this repo split has been a > large PITA. Because RHEL also won't self-host and many sub-packages >

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 1:32 PM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > On Thursday, 19 November 2020 at 19:28, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 19.11.2020 19:16, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > If we use a central server, only one server needs maintaining, and the > > > problem is solved

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Thursday, 19 November 2020 at 19:28, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 19.11.2020 19:16, Adam Williamson wrote: > > If we use a central server, only one server needs maintaining, and the > > problem is solved for everyone. The benefit seems pretty clear. > > Matrix don't need a central

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 19.11.2020 19:16, Adam Williamson wrote: If we use a central server, only one server needs maintaining, and the problem is solved for everyone. The benefit seems pretty clear. Matrix don't need a central server. This is a federated network. All rooms are hosted on multiple servers. --

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 13:23 -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 12:57, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 06:50:21PM +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > > On 19.11.2020 18:34, Radka Gustavsson wrote: > > > > Rich, IRC is not being dropped, it

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 12:57, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 06:50:21PM +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 19.11.2020 18:34, Radka Gustavsson wrote: > > >Rich, IRC is not being dropped, it is being bridged to modern, > > >"IRC-native" (for lack of better word in

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 1:09 PM Daniel Pocock wrote: > > > > On 19/11/2020 18:55, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 06:50:21PM +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > >> On 19.11.2020 18:34, Radka Gustavsson wrote: > >>> Rich, IRC is not being dropped, it is being bridged to

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 17:53 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 06:34:28PM +0100, Radka Gustavsson wrote: > > Let me start off: > > > > What's the reason why hosting your own server for a fairly uncommon > > chat protocol is better than continuing to use IRC? >

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 19/11/2020 18:55, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 06:50:21PM +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: >> On 19.11.2020 18:34, Radka Gustavsson wrote: >>> Rich, IRC is not being dropped, it is being bridged to modern, >>> "IRC-native" (for lack of better word in my

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 06:50:21PM +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 19.11.2020 18:34, Radka Gustavsson wrote: > >Rich, IRC is not being dropped, it is being bridged to modern, > >"IRC-native" (for lack of better word in my vocabulary) platform. > >Contributors who prefer to stay on IRC

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 06:46:31PM +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 19.11.2020 18:08, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > >What's the reason why hosting your own server for a fairly uncommon > >chat protocol is better than continuing to use IRC? > > IRC is a legacy protocol with no support for

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 19.11.2020 18:49, Sérgio Basto wrote: How I install matrix/element in my desktop ? I suggest you install nheko instead of Element: sudo dnf install nheko P.S. Fedora 33 is required for nheko due to an ancient version of Boost in Fedora 32. -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 06:34:28PM +0100, Radka Gustavsson wrote: > Let me start off: > > What's the reason why hosting your own server for a fairly uncommon > chat protocol is better than continuing to use IRC? > > > I too love dinosaurs... but I also work on 4 different computers

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 19.11.2020 18:34, Radka Gustavsson wrote: Rich, IRC is not being dropped, it is being bridged to modern, "IRC-native" (for lack of better word in my vocabulary) platform. Contributors who prefer to stay on IRC are welcome to do so and won't really notice any difference. No, please. IRC

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 18:34 +0100, Radka Gustavsson wrote: > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 6:11 PM Richard W.M. Jones > wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:22:26PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > > > > > [I posted to the Fedora Council list, but reposting here for > > wider > > > > > distribution.]

Re: Python dependency missing during RPM build

2020-11-19 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 06:26:04PM +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: > There is no generator that parses Python imports (and never has been), sorry. OK, fair enough. It's not a big deal because I could add the Requires line by hand. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 19.11.2020 18:08, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: What's the reason why hosting your own server for a fairly uncommon chat protocol is better than continuing to use IRC? IRC is a legacy protocol with no support for modern features like message editing, history, etc. -- Sincerely, Vitaly

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Radka Gustavsson
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 6:11 PM Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:22:26PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > > [I posted to the Fedora Council list, but reposting here for wider > > distribution.] > > > > As mentioned, we're looking at moving the Fedora Council's main chat to >

Re: Python dependency missing during RPM build

2020-11-19 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 11/19/20 6:02 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: It's not a big deal because I added the Python Requires: line by hand, but I want to make sure I understand why it happens and whether there's an easy fix. https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=55889416

Re: Python dependency missing during RPM build

2020-11-19 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 11/19/20 6:02 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: It's not a big deal because I added the Python Requires: line by hand, but I want to make sure I understand why it happens and whether there's an easy fix. https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=55889416

corsepiu pushed to perl-Type-Tie (f33). "Upstream update."

2020-11-19 Thread notifications
Notification time stamped 2020-11-19 17:20:56 UTC From 4ea4bcea465d04afef003b277f9f2930c901bd38 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Ralf Corsépius Date: Nov 19 2020 13:31:29 + Subject: Upstream update. --- diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore index 6bf852e..56b4bd7 100644 --- a/.gitignore +++

[Bug 1899531] perl-Convert-Binary-C-0.83 is available

2020-11-19 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1899531 Upstream Release Monitoring changed: What|Removed |Added Summary|perl-Convert-Binary-C-0.82

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:22:26PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > [I posted to the Fedora Council list, but reposting here for wider > distribution.] > > As mentioned, we're looking at moving the Fedora Council's main chat to > Matrix. And as part of that, we're considering a hosted Element

Python dependency missing during RPM build

2020-11-19 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
It's not a big deal because I added the Python Requires: line by hand, but I want to make sure I understand why it happens and whether there's an easy fix. https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=55889416 https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/nbdkit/blob/master/f/nbdkit.spec#_475

Fedora-IoT-33-20201119.0 compose check report

2020-11-19 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Failed openQA tests: 1/16 (x86_64), 1/15 (aarch64) Old failures (same test failed in Fedora-IoT-33-20201117.0): ID: 725719 Test: x86_64 IoT-dvd_ostree-iso iot_clevis URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/725719 ID: 725735 Test: aarch64

corsepiu pushed to perl-Type-Tie (master). "Upstream update."

2020-11-19 Thread notifications
Notification time stamped 2020-11-19 15:05:56 UTC From 4ea4bcea465d04afef003b277f9f2930c901bd38 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Ralf Corsépius Date: Nov 19 2020 13:31:29 + Subject: Upstream update. --- diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore index 6bf852e..56b4bd7 100644 --- a/.gitignore +++

[Bug 1899556] New: perl-PDL-2.025 is available

2020-11-19 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1899556 Bug ID: 1899556 Summary: perl-PDL-2.025 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Status: NEW Component: perl-PDL Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged

Re: systemd-resolved in a container

2020-11-19 Thread Daniel Walsh
On 11/19/20 03:06, Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos wrote: On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 2:23 PM Alexander Bokovoy wrote: On ke, 18 marras 2020, Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos wrote: Hi, I realized my fedora-based containers have an /etc/resolv.conf which claims it is managed by resolved, and nsswitch.conf has

[Bug 1899531] New: perl-Convert-Binary-C-0.82 is available

2020-11-19 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1899531 Bug ID: 1899531 Summary: perl-Convert-Binary-C-0.82 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Status: NEW Component: perl-Convert-Binary-C Keywords: FutureFeature,

Fedora-IoT-34-20201119.0 compose check report

2020-11-19 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Failed openQA tests: 2/16 (x86_64), 5/15 (aarch64) Old failures (same test failed in Fedora-IoT-34-20201118.0): ID: 725582 Test: x86_64 IoT-dvd_ostree-iso iot_clevis URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/725582 ID: 725594 Test: x86_64

Fedora-Rawhide-20201119.n.0 compose check report

2020-11-19 Thread Fedora compose checker
Missing expected images: Xfce raw-xz armhfp Compose FAILS proposed Rawhide gating check! 3 of 43 required tests failed openQA tests matching unsatisfied gating requirements shown with **GATING** below Failed openQA tests: 17/177 (x86_64), 21/115 (aarch64) New failures (same test not failed in

Fedora rawhide compose report: 20201119.n.0 changes

2020-11-19 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20201118.n.0 NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20201119.n.0 = SUMMARY = Added images:1 Dropped images: 1 Added packages: 22 Dropped packages:0 Upgraded packages: 72 Downgraded packages: 0 Size of added packages: 224.82 MiB Size of dropped packages:0

Re: Retiring some packages from openstack-sig

2020-11-19 Thread Alfredo Moralejo Alonso
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 12:41 PM Dan Čermák wrote: > Hi Alfredo, > > Alfredo Moralejo Alonso writes: > > > Hi, > > > > openstack-sig is reviewing the list of packages maintained in Fedora and > > we've found that following packages can be retired from Fedora as they > are > > not longer used or

Re: Retiring some packages from openstack-sig

2020-11-19 Thread Dan Čermák
Hi Alfredo, Alfredo Moralejo Alonso writes: > Hi, > > openstack-sig is reviewing the list of packages maintained in Fedora and > we've found that following packages can be retired from Fedora as they are > not longer used or required by any other package or OpenStack: I am not interested in

[Bug 1898583] perl-Algorithm-CheckDigits-1.3.5 is available

2020-11-19 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1898583 Xavier Bachelot changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |CLOSED Resolution|---

Retiring some packages from openstack-sig

2020-11-19 Thread Alfredo Moralejo Alonso
Hi, openstack-sig is reviewing the list of packages maintained in Fedora and we've found that following packages can be retired from Fedora as they are not longer used or required by any other package or OpenStack: python-cliff-tablib python-tablib python-congressclient

Fedora-Cloud-31-20201119.0 compose check report

2020-11-19 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Passed openQA tests: 7/7 (x86_64), 7/7 (aarch64) -- Mail generated by check-compose: https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/check-compose ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

Re: new Radeon RX 6800/6900/Big Navi on Fedora

2020-11-19 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 19/11/2020 10:04, Felix Schwarz wrote: > Hi Daniel, > > Am 18.11.20 um 18:41 schrieb Daniel Pocock: >> Firmware binary code that isn't yet present in linux-firmware.git >> - is there any way to extract that binary from another platform? > > you probably noticed this yourself, but just in

Fedora-Cloud-32-20201119.0 compose check report

2020-11-19 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Soft failed openQA tests: 1/7 (x86_64), 1/7 (aarch64) (Tests completed, but using a workaround for a known bug) Old soft failures (same test soft failed in Fedora-Cloud-32-20201118.0): ID: 725151 Test: x86_64 Cloud_Base-qcow2-qcow2 cloud_autocloud URL:

Re: Java reviews (with swaps)

2020-11-19 Thread Mikolaj Izdebski
On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 8:30 PM Jerry James wrote: > I would like to ask for some input from those of you with Java > packaging experience. The jsonp package has been orphaned, but the > antlr4-project package (which I maintain) still needs it. Since jsonp > has transitioned to the eclipse-ee4j

Re: new Radeon RX 6800/6900/Big Navi on Fedora

2020-11-19 Thread Felix Schwarz
Hi Daniel, Am 18.11.20 um 18:41 schrieb Daniel Pocock: Firmware binary code that isn't yet present in linux-firmware.git - is there any way to extract that binary from another platform? you probably noticed this yourself, but just in case:

Re: systemd-resolved in a container

2020-11-19 Thread Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 2:23 PM Alexander Bokovoy wrote: > > On ke, 18 marras 2020, Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos wrote: > >Hi, > > I realized my fedora-based containers have an /etc/resolv.conf which > >claims it is managed by resolved, and nsswitch.conf has "resolve" in > >hosts. However, doing