Re: IRC Announcement

On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 12:32 PM PGNet Dev wrote: > > Andrew Lee has a flexible relationship with the truth. This is not a > both sides issue, as every other free software project has also agreed. > > Well, it seems you're good then. So, great. > > Just for me, not my 1st rodeo dealing with the

Re: IRC Announcement

On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 12:01 PM PGNet Dev wrote: > On 5/27/21 2:04 PM, Nick Bebout wrote: > > Since its beginnings, the Fedora Project has used the freenode IRC > network for our project communications. Due to a variety of recent changes > to that network, the Fedora Project is moving our IRC

Re: Fedora 33 Beta is GO

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 2:34 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 2:31 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > > > The Fedora 33 Beta RC1.3 compose[1] is GO and will be shipped live on > > Tuesday, 17 March 2020. > > > This, of course, should read Tuesday, 29 September 2020. > It really has been a

Re: Proposing a new Perl Module Versioning Scheme

I wrote a blog post thoroughly explaining Perl module versions and agree with the assessment and suggested method presented (though I have no comment on the remedy). http://blogs.perl.org/users/grinnz/2018/04/a-guide-to-versions-in-perl.html -Dan On Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 1:09 PM Tina Müller

Re: Fedora 31->32 dnf system-update experience

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 12:54 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek < zbys...@in.waw.pl> wrote: > On Fri, May 08, 2020 at 12:39:04PM -0400, Dan Book wrote: > > On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 12:05 PM Scott Talbert wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 8 May 2020, Michael Catanzaro wrote: >

Re: Fedora 31->32 dnf system-update experience

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 12:05 PM Scott Talbert wrote: > On Fri, 8 May 2020, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > >> That is kind of what I figured. BTW, I used the GUI method to upgrade. > > > > Yeah me too. And my fedora-obsolete-packages is also gone. > > > > It cannot be installed, either. I wonder:

Re: Untouched BZ against cinnamon-desktop

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 5:34 AM Michal Schorm wrote: > Hi, > > A long time ago I filled a BZ for F29 against the package group > @cinnamon-desktop-environment. [1] > Now I checked, and the issue still exists, so I re-opened it and moved > against F32. > > How can I get someone appropriate to

Re: f32-backgrounds look like crap

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 9:10 AM Benson Muite wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Leigh Scott wrote: > > > Hi Leigh, > > > > > > > > > Do you think you could please use nicer language? There's no need to > > > use words like that to describe other people's work in the community. > > > >

Re: f32-backgrounds look like crap

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 11:12 AM Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2020-04-17 at 16:09 +0300, Benson Muite wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Leigh Scott wrote: > > > > Hi Leigh, > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think you could please use nicer language? There's no need to > > > > use

Re: f32-backgrounds available for testing

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 12:03 PM Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Hello team, > > f32-backgrounds is available for testing on > https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2020-ed62604eca > > For the Design team, new change is the drop of standard, normalish, tv, > tv-wider folders in favour of a

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 11:11 AM Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2019-08-28 at 23:13 -0400, Christopher wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 8:56 PM John Harris > wrote: > > > On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 5:46:58 PM MST Christopher wrote: > > > > A similar idea that would keep it separate from

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 4:27 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > That is talking about the whole idea that having a firewall enabled by > default is not as important if there are no listening services by > default; at that point you can make the argument that installing a > service that listens on a

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

This conversation is pretty pointless. You are never going to convince other people to like Discourse more than mailing lists, and they are never going to convince you the other direction. -Dan On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 11:35 AM Gerald B. Cox wrote: > Here is an interesting discussion on

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

; Red Hat is written as two separate words. So you can put some work > into learning that :) > > Anyhow, why does user need to learn what port is? Can you imagine your > grandma / grandfather learning how to open some port on the firewall? > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 3:05 PM Dan

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 8:10 AM wrote: > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 4:22 AM, John Harris wrote: > > No, that is not how this works, at all. First, let's go ahead and address > the idea that "if the firewall blocks it, the app breaks, so it's the > firewall's fault": It's not. If the firewall has

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 8:31 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Hello all. > > Is it okay that firewall is completely disabled by default (opened all > ports 1025-65535) on Fedora Workstation? > > I think that this is a major vulnerability and it must be fixed

Re: What other external trackers would you like added to Bugzilla?

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:11 PM Dan Book wrote: > On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 2:36 PM Petr Pisar wrote: > >> - Perl: https://rt.perl.org/Public/ > > > I would not expend effort on this, as it is planned to be moved the github > in the near future. > > https://www.

Re: What other external trackers would you like added to Bugzilla?

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 2:36 PM Petr Pisar wrote: > - Perl: https://rt.perl.org/Public/ I would not expend effort on this, as it is planned to be moved the github in the near future. https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl5.porters/2019/06/msg255335.html -Dan

Re: Fedora 31 System-Wide Change proposal: Python means Python3

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 2:48 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 27. 06. 19 18:49, Ben Cotton wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 12:06 PM Miro Hrončok > wrote: > >> > >> So I might ask: What's the benefit of not having an unversioned python > at all? > >> > > Avoiding ambiguity. Admittedly, it's

Re: Fedora 31 Self-Contained Change proposal: DNF Make Best Mode the Default

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 12:30 PM Björn Persson wrote: > > If there is a significant risk that the warning will be overlooked, > then how about just making the warning more visible? > > Based on experience with people installing things from CPAN for Perl, there is no "more visible" that has any

Re: Making Perl site paths ABI-specific

On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 3:36 PM Petr Pisar wrote: > > Any opinions? Should we go with this change? Wich format do you like most? > I think this is a great idea, and the first option is most similar to normal Perl lib paths. -Dan ___ perl-devel

Re: Editions vs. Spins (was: Re: F30: System-Wide Change proposal: DNF UUID)

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 6:20 PM wrote: > On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 12:05 PM, John Harris > wrote: > > The easiest way to make any of the Spins more accessible, for them to > > have any > > chance comparable to the prominent advertising of Workstation and > > similar > > options, would be to make

Re: Editions vs. Spins

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 1:48 PM Japheth Cleaver wrote: > On 1/13/2019 10:19 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 07:51:34PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > >>> Side note, I was at a loss of what you were getting at. There were > several

Re: Fedora should replace mailing lists with Discourse

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 6:09 AM Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski writes: > > Gerald B. Cox writes: > > > > Regardless, as I mentioned above, if they have a bug, then it > > > should be reported for them to address. > > > > I wouldn't call it a bug, just bad UX

Re: Fedora should replace mailing lists with Discourse

On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 11:06 AM Ben Rosser wrote: > 2) What's the migration strategy look like? Can users on the mailing > lists be automatically added to the relevant discourse lists? > > 3) Will there be a transition period where the old list addresses > continue to work? Can they be

Re: CPAN Search Going Away

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 1:03 PM, Petr Šabata wrote: > > > Do we know if files like /modules/02packages.details.txt are > still going to be provided by cpan.org? If not, virtually all > CPAN tools will have to be updated. cpanspec included. > Yes. That file is on all CPAN

Re: CPAN Search Going Away

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 12:34 PM, Petr Pisar wrote: > On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 10:55:02AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: > > See https://log.perl.org/2018/05/goodbye-search-dot-cpan-dot-org.html > > > > This means that the URLs included in RPMs of CPAN modules will need to > > change

Re: Cockpit depends on NetworkManager.

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > > >> This is clean_requirements_on_remove being helpful as usual. Never should >> have been a default setting as I've argued before, and the first thing I >> disable in /etc/dnf/dnf.conf. >>

Re: Cockpit depends on NetworkManager.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 03:20:09AM +0200, Radka Janekova wrote: > > so recently I managed to destroy[1] two production servers by removing > what > > I saw as useless web-config utility. Apparently Cockpit depends

Re: F27 System Wide Change: perl Package to Install Core Modules

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > * Stephen Gallagher [15/06/2017 13:27] : > > > > If your intent is to say unequivocally that this system must not include > the > > perl interpreter unless all of these packages are installed, then that's > when > >

Re: F27 System Wide Change: perl Package to Install Core Modules

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > > If that's the case, I think these two approaches are *basically* identical, > except that the metapackage approach will probably cause DNF to misbehave > due to > the "clean_requirements_on_remove=true" default

Re: Installing all core Perl modules by perl package

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Petr Pisar wrote: > > Therefore I offered them that Fedora can make "dnf install perl" working as > thay want and it will be implemented by renaming perl-core to perl and > giving a new name to present perl package. > > Thus I created this

Re: Perl on Reddit

Sorry I don't have quotes but I was not subscribed to the list yet. Looking at the dependency chain for perl-core, it brings in perl-devel directly and as a prerequisite for modules such as perl-ExtUtils-MakeMaker and perl-ExtUtils-Miniperl. Assuming perl-devel is what brings in the C development

Re: Cannot dnf group remove "Cinnamon Desktop"

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Jorge Gallegos <k...@blegh.net> wrote: > On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 12:02:40PM -0400, Dan Book wrote: > > On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Jorge Gallegos <k...@blegh.net> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I found out the

Re: Cannot dnf group remove "Cinnamon Desktop"

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Jorge Gallegos wrote: > Hi, > > I found out the Cinnamon Desktop group is behaving like Hotel > California. I had ``dnf group install "Cinnamon Desktop"`` some time in > the past, and was trying to cleanup now after finishing fiddling with > it.

Re: mp3 encoding now ok

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:31 PM, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > * Jon [03/05/2017 15:57] : > > > > Normally Spot would revel these kind of topics. > > > > Where are you Spot? > > > > Have you run this topic through RH legal? > > Yes, it has been run through Red Hat legal channels. >

Re: Fedora spins torrents statistics

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2017-05-03 at 00:56 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Tue, May 02, 2017 at 10:45:12AM +0200, Germano Massullo wrote: > > > As torrents seeder of certain Fedora spins, I would like to

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Adam Williamson <adamw...@fedoraproject.org > wrote: > On Fri, 2016-10-21 at 18:16 -0400, Dan Book wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 6:08 PM, Adam Williamson < > adamw...@fedoraproject.org > > > wrote: > > > > > > &

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 6:08 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > 13" 1080p laptops are the biggest exception to this that I can think > of. I dunno what you do with them on Windows; I think Windows has a > slider somewhere which more or less works like the 'scaling

Re: PSA: Do not run 'dnf update' inside GNOME, KDE or any other graphical desktop on Fedora 24

On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > > I created a RFE bug requesting that the upgrade function in DNF be changed > to incorporate "offline" upgrades as an option. If it is really > an issue, DNF should handle it. >

Re: F25 System Wide Change: KillUserProcesses=yes by default

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Alex Thomas wrote: > > As it looks from my vantage point, the choice is either carry a patch > to revert this change in systemd, or accept the load of carrying an unknown > number of patches to allow other software to accommodate this

Re: [OT] Tim, Gil, et. al. (e-mail address settings)

> > repeat my self for last time: is not a my problem. > if you want block another time my fedora account, please, > take a seat > regards > .g > Nobody is blocking you. But aside from this one instance I went digging through my spam folder, I do not see your messages, and I suspect many others

Orphaning blueman

Hello, The blueman package has been orphaned by previous maintainer leigh123linux. It is an important service (bluetooth support) for the Cinnamon, MATE, XFCE, and other desktops, so if anyone is willing and capable, a new maintainer would be appreciated. -Grinnz -- devel mailing list

Re: Wh{o,at} broke rawhide?

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:51 AM, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > W dniu 09.06.2016 o 00:18, gil pisze: > > I have no idea why but most of your mails end in my spam folder ;( > > Il 08/06/2016 21:15, Kevin Fenzi ha scritto: >> >>> On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 21:07:26 +0200 >>> Marcin

Re: systemd 230 change - KillUserProcesses defaults to yes

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Przemek Klosowski < przemek.klosow...@nist.gov> wrote: > On 05/27/2016 12:45 PM, Christopher wrote: > > > It seems to me that what's happening is that systemd is now enforcing this > "login session" perspective... metaphorically speaking, gluing the > transparent

Re: systemd 230 change - KillUserProcesses defaults to yes

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > > > I think that programs needing special treatment should use operating > system's facilities to communicate that. So tmux, screen, nohup should > really open a new session. It's unfortunate that tmux author is

Re: systemd 230 change - KillUserProcesses defaults to yes

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Wed, 01.06.16 12:19, Howard Chu (h...@symas.com) wrote: > > > This is still looking at the problem back-asswards. The problem isn't > that > > screen and tmux are special cases. The problem is that some handful

Re: systemd 230 change - KillUserProcesses defaults to yes

On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 06:51:20PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > > So there's tmux, screen, curl, wget, and probably quite a few others > > that don't necessarily get daemonized that are probably affected. > >

Re: DNF Issue, packages being incorrectly removed - was: Re: corebird

On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 2:17 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > > > On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 3:02 AM, Michal Luscon > wrote: > >> > >> This might have been caused by > >>

Re: Proposal: spins-kickstarts workflow changes

This sounds like a good step to me. I am used to the pull request workflow though. On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Zach Villers wrote: > +1 for moving forward and involving pagure. I'm not experienced enough to > pick out any issues, but will help however I can. > On

Re: DNF pains

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 02/03/2016 02:28 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > >> Problem #3: >> When running from say the /boot directory the same dnf command above: >> >> # dnf update kd*, kf*, q*, per*, pyt*, u*, v*, x* y*, z* >> >> dnf reports

Re: LibreOffice packaging is a messy dependency graph

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 8:42 AM, David Tardon <dtar...@redhat.com> wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Dec 01, 2015 at 02:20:34AM -0500, Dan Book wrote: > > I have run into this before and it was very confusing, it really should > be > > a separate command from remove for wh

Re: LibreOffice packaging is a messy dependency graph

ion > using option --setopt=clean_requirements_on_remove=false > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 8:29 AM, Igor Gnatenko > <i.gnatenko.br...@gmail.com> wrote: > > # dnf autoremove > > > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 8:21 AM Dan Book <gri...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>

Re: DNF could improve messages about package auto-removal

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 3:02 AM, Petr Spacek <pspa...@redhat.com> wrote: > On 1.12.2015 08:20, Dan Book wrote: > > I have run into this before and it was very confusing, it really should > be > > a separate command from remove for when you actually want to remove what >

Re: LibreOffice packaging is a messy dependency graph

I have run into this before and it was very confusing, it really should be a separate command from remove for when you actually want to remove what dnf thinks is now "unused". On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:38 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote: > On 12/01/2015 07:02 AM, Christopher

Re: i3wm based minimal Spin?

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Dennis Chen wrote: > Hi, > > What are the chances that a minimal desktop spin can be created for the > 24 release? It would be nice to have a prepackaged "desktop > environment" with the terminal as it's main focus. > > Dennis Chen > -- >

Re: Browser choice in live images

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Jos Vos wrote: > > I see that the F23 Xfce live image still includes only Midori as the > > internet browser, similar to the F22 image. > > At least one image that is still consistent with its goals in its >

Re: perl-Net-DNS-SEC license correction

GPL/Artistic is the perl license; the module's META.json specifies the MIT license. The text included in the module is similar to the MIT and ISC license text, it is definitely not the Artistic license or GPL. Personally I would seek clarification from the author(s). On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 10:49

Re: shared-mime-info and desktops

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: Greetings. For a while now it's been possible for desktops to have their own mime info (which is great), but it seems we have also gotten rid of the generic one, which causes some strange behavior:

Re: shared-mime-info and desktops

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 5:01 PM, Dan Book gri...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: Greetings. For a while now it's been possible for desktops to have their own mime info (which is great), but it seems we have also gotten rid

Re: DKMS is not installing the right kernel-devel package

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:12 AM, Thorsten Leemhuis fed...@leemhuis.info wrote: Dan Book wrote on 09.06.2015 22:01: This has also been a problem for several releases with the akmods from rpmfusion. There was always a problem; there where just less people running into it, because yum/dnf

Re: DKMS is not installing the right kernel-devel package

This has also been a problem for several releases with the akmods from rpmfusion. I think the more correct solution (read to the end) would be to somehow prioritize the kernel-devel package (possibly multiple) that matches the installed kernel(s). kernel-debug-devel is never the correct choice

Re: DKMS is not installing the right kernel-devel package

-devel issue). -Dan On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 09.06.2015 um 22:01 schrieb Dan Book: This has also been a problem for several releases with the akmods from rpmfusion. I think the more correct solution (read to the end) would be to somehow

Re: Cinnamon Spin

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Carlos Morel-Riquelme empateinfin...@gmail.com wrote: Dan, thank for the new but the download links for the spin (wiki skeleton) isn't available :( On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dan Book gri...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Dan

Re: Cinnamon Spin

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Dan Book gri...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I have put together a basic Cinnamon Live spin, and was wondering if this is something people would like to see become official. It's not ready for submission quite yet, there is a bit of a hack to change the default

Cinnamon Spin

in this github repo: https://github.com/Grinnz/spin-kickstart-cinnamon And resulting images, which I have briefly tested and installed in a VM: https://grinnz.com/public/spins-cinnamon/ I added a skeleton wiki page as well: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cinnamon_Spin -Dan Book -- devel mailing list

Re: Cinnamon Spin

lightdm and the liveuser. On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Dan Book wrote: Hello, I have put together a basic Cinnamon Live spin, and was wondering if this is something people would like to see become

Re: Cinnamon Spin

On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Thomas Gilliard satelli...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/20/2014 8:35 AM, Dan Book wrote: Hello, I have put together a basic Cinnamon Live spin, and was wondering if this is something people would like to see become official. It's not ready for submission quite