Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-02 Thread Frank Murphy
Is this a different scenario? ~$ repoquery --whatprovides libnetapi* samba-client-libs-2:4.2.0-2.fc22.x86_64 samba-client-libs-2:4.2.0-2.fc22.x86_64 dnf repoquery did require the full text as your example above. dnf-0.6.5-1.fc22.noarch yum-utils-1.1.31-27.fc22.noarch ___ Regards Frank Murphy -- devel mailing

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

2014-06-23 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 11:25:46 +0200 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: snipped https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1049310#c29 ___ Regards Frank frankly3d.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

2014-06-23 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 19:21:43 +0200 Mathieu Bridon boche...@fedoraproject.org wrote: One thing I've seen a few times at the time Yum didn't have that protection was « I don't do development, so I can remove Python » It did lead to a few people not having Yum installed any more. I don't

Re: GSoC feedback.

2014-03-04 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 18:59:35 +0530 Vidhun Vinod xvi...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, I'm currently working on refining the GSoC idea Infrastructure for FreeMedia group. As someone on the Freemedia team, would you mind letting us know what your trying to do?

Re: Why is not included JFS on Anaconda?

2014-02-25 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 03:34:28 + Álvaro Castillo net...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Hello everybody, Just that. Why is not included JFS on Anaconda? At the moment there is a thread on Desktop what anaconda should do for a workstation:

Re: Why is not included JFS on Anaconda?

2014-02-25 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 03:34:28 + Álvaro Castillo net...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Could be include JFS into Anaconda to next release? What's your opinion about JFS? Apology wrong thread, in prior email: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2014-February/009195.html ___ Regards

Re: advertisement in packaged software (e.g. Firefox)

2014-02-12 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 10:31:04 -0500 Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: I can't imagine having very obnoxious and prominents advertisements in the flagship applications that we install by default. But an application that is otherwise useful to our users should probably not be banned from

Re: New UEFI guide on the wiki

2014-02-04 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 3 Feb 2014 20:14:06 -0800 Andrew Lutomirski l...@mit.edu wrote: that in the wiki. (This is a particular pain point for me -- my main development box was originally installed as BIOS, and I switched it to UEFI, and I'm sure I did it wrong because the boot process is impressively

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-31 Thread Frank Murphy
On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 06:03:48 -0500 (EST) Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote: What this does reveal is a bigger problem: that the audiences of at least some of the spins are not aware of this relationship to the larger Fedora ecosystem. This would indicate that the dropping or

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-31 Thread Frank Murphy
On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 08:20:18 -0500 Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: I've seen mails on this list recently where people proudly stated that they would continue to advertise one particular spin at conferences etc The current product is not Gnome, it is Fedora. And if asked about Xfce,

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-31 Thread Frank Murphy
On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 14:34:17 +0100 Lukáš Tinkl lti...@redhat.com wrote: Fedora isn't a Gnome OS, perhaps that's what they're trying to convey; making it one will most probably create less confusion but I'm sure it will also make us less relevant (my personal opinion). Currently it's not, it

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-31 Thread Frank Murphy
On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 10:53:17 -0800 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: Personally, I know currently, most DEs' can be installed with yum groupinstall. But, that may not always be the case. I haven't seen any indication that anyone wants that to change as part of .next. I do

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-31 Thread Frank Murphy
On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 22:50:59 +0100 Emmanuel Seyman emman...@seyman.fr wrote: * Frank Murphy [31/01/2014 11:22] : Personally, I know currently, most DEs' can be installed with yum groupinstall. But, that may not always be the case. I'm going to go in the opposite direction. The old

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:58:22 -0500 Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org wrote: I consider myself squarely in the middle of those two camps. I think they have value to people. I think they fill a niche, however large or small it might be. I also think they can be done by the people wishing

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:15:56 +0100 Tomasz Torcz to...@pipebreaker.pl wrote: Personally I always felt that this symbiotic relationship was a big part of what made Fedora interesting. Yes, but please don't paint Red Hat bussiness goals as Fedora community goals. There is some

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:59:44 +0100 Johannes Lips johannes.l...@gmail.com wrote: Well, but it's not only about money and a lot of contributors use their spare time to contribute, so I wouldn't stress this money thing too much. I didn't introduce the money angle, just putting into Common

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 16:35:54 +0100 H. Guémar hgue...@fedoraproject.org wrote: but they won't get coverage from marketing and ambassadors Please don't include me in that, I will always talk about Fedora supplied Xfce to all who will listen. and supply said media to those that ask, if I can.

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 17:47:04 -0500 Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@nist.gov wrote: On one hand, I am impressed by many spins as an excellent technology demonstration. On the other hand, what should existing users of a base Fedora do if they find an useful spin with a superior

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-29 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 16:03:08 -0500 Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote: Well, one of the things we need to decide is whether we address Spins at all during the F21 timeframe. I suspect that QA will ask for a reprieve on that score. By Spins do you mean 1:

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-29 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 16:39:03 -0600 Jon jdisn...@gmail.com wrote: Another aspect I worry about is the mirroring stuff. With the coming WGs I fear the rsync mirroring will grow very large, and spins are an attractive piece of fat to cut. Reducing size is something we worry about on the infra,

Re: RFC - Downgrade BlueZ to v4.101 in Fedora 20

2014-01-23 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:53:19 +0100 David Sommerseth dav...@redhat.com wrote: Hi all, This might be a viewed as a fire torch, but there is, IMO, a major regression in BlueZ 5 which is shipped in Fedora 20. It doesn't support HSP/HFP headset profiles, which enables the microphone on many

Re: SELinux RPM scriplet issue annoucement

2014-01-19 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 12:23:42 -0500 Scott Schmit i.g...@comcast.net wrote: The text of the announcement made sense, but the link doesn't point to anything -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F20_bugs exists, but

Re: SELinux RPM scriplet issue annoucement

2014-01-19 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 12:23:42 -0500 Scott Schmit i.g...@comcast.net wrote: On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 11:47:37PM -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Andre Robatino wrote: I replaced the typo scriplet - scriptlet in several places in that page, including the anchor

Re: SELinux RPM scriplet issue annoucement

2014-01-19 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 19:15:35 +0100 drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: So it happened .. how do we prevent it in the future? How did it pass testing? I don't think it got manually tested. ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: SELinux RPM scriplet issue annoucement

2014-01-19 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 19:15:35 +0100 drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: So it happened .. how do we prevent it in the future? How did it pass testing? Would a gui yumex\PK have burped at the update? Would the two testers have seen the script errors. ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com --

Re: Firefox Gtk3 test package

2014-01-18 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 16:15:19 +0100 Martin Stransky stran...@redhat.com wrote: Hi guys, first $SUBJ is available at: http://stransky.fedorapeople.org/FirefoxGtk3/ It's just a src.spm and plugin support it not finished (don't browse youtube ;-)) but may work as a preview. Aside:

Re: Firefox Gtk3 test package

2014-01-14 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 15:22:52 +0100 Maros Zatko mza...@redhat.com wrote: [1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=627699 What can do users who doesn't want that gtk3 port? For some users reasoning that it works better in gnome-shell is just not enough. I don't use Gnome, works fine

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-13 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 09:36:38 +0100 Alec Leamas leamas.a...@gmail.com wrote: If you continue reading the thread you'll see what happened (short story: too late fo rme) --alec Refreshing my email would have helped, too early for me :( ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- devel

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-13 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 14:06:30 -0500 Garry T. Williams gtwilli...@gmail.com wrote: sudo dnf --enablerepo=updates-testing clean expire-cache sudo dnf --enablerepo=updates-testing upgrade kernel\* You can also after some research modify the dnf-makecache.service file to change the

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-13 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 09:53:53 +0100 Miroslav Suchý msu...@redhat.com wrote: On 01/13/2014 08:56 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: to be certain you can do dnf(yum) --enablerepo=* clean all if your intention is truly to remove all cache. Not true if you ever used --releasever option. dnf

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-13 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 09:33:09 + Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: the expire_metadata setting still applies, Where is this setting? besides metadata expire in *.repos. I couldn't find in on the wiki ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-13 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 09:51:27 + Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: Where is this setting? besides metadata expire in *.repos. I couldn't find in on the wiki Duh! man 8 dnf.conf, so behaviour can be changed without running dnf clean * dnf update for those that may want it, by adding

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-13 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 09:33:09 + Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: You can also after some research modify the dnf-makecache.service file to change the frequency of makecache. I don't think that will help as that service simply controls when it considers updating - the

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-13 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 14:38:39 +0100 Miroslav Suchý msu...@redhat.com wrote: No. This command is accepted (to my surprise). But it delete nothing. And just create new directory sturcture in '/var/cache/yum/x86_64/*'. That does suck then if someone with more that F20 cache needs to clean. as

Re: Firefox Gtk3 test package

2014-01-13 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 16:49:09 +0100 Martin Stransky stran...@redhat.com wrote: Ahh, Okay. The package is build with Gtk3 toolkit [1] (the recent official ones are Gtk2) so it's a regular Gtk3 app which should better fit to Gnome 3 desktop, use themes/skins and so. I have Xfce but is it ok

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-13 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 10:16:52 -0800 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: You can also after some research modify the dnf-makecache.service file to change the frequency of makecache. It's a lot cleaner to just define a metadata expiry time in the repository config file.

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 07:51:22 +0200 Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com wrote: Right, I missed that bit. to be certain you can do dnf(yum) --enablerepo=* clean all if your intention is truly to remove all cache. ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- devel mailing list

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 00:43:13 +0100 Alec Leamas leamas.a...@gmail.com wrote: First of all, this is not, and have never been a question of disabled repos. Or should not have. yum clean all refers to cleaning all metadata, not all repos. It only operates on one single repo, be it implicit (the

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-09 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 16:56:31 +0100 Jiri Moskovcak jmosk...@redhat.com wrote: Well, I can use dnf in it's current shape quite fine and it works faster than yum which I take as an improvement, so for me it's ok. So what now? --Jirka Then add your voice to the bz to keep it as is.

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-07 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 09:48:16 +0100 Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: Dne 6.1.2014 23:26, Chris Murphy napsal(a): Since * remove kernel appears to be inspecific, removing all kernels isn't what I'd expect. It's not how mv or cp or anything else would work. So why not turn this

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-07 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 10:16:16 +0100 Dridi Boukelmoune dridi.boukelmo...@gmail.com wrote: dnf remove kernel --all I assume you're suggestion that `dnf remove kernel` should only remove the latest kernel. How do you make that out. Have you ever used yum remove kernel dnf remove kernel --all

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-07 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 10:52:52 +0100 Dridi Boukelmoune dridi.boukelmo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry I don't understand your answer. Dridi I can't make it any simpler. ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-07 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 11:12:39 +0100 Dridi Boukelmoune dridi.boukelmo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry for misunderstanding a command that didn't come with a single sentence. dnf remove kernel --all to remove all What's to misunderstand ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- devel mailing

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-07 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 4 Jan 2014 14:56:04 -0500 Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: * yum remove kernel vs dnf remove kernel difference (unfiled? ) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1049310 ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-07 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 16:28:59 +0100 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: look like it starts to happen again: a replacement which is not ready https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1049310 It seems the majority want the current dnf default [1] to be kept Those who want to keep

Re: Which Fedora: 19 or 20?

2014-01-07 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 08:15:54 -0800 John Chludzinski john-chludzin...@myopera.com wrote: 20 is the latest but 19 is the base code for RHEL 7. Assuming they're not too different, is there an advantage to going with 19 since it's what RHEL 7 is based on? If your not installing RHEL on the

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-06 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 16:30:20 +0100 poma pomidorabelis...@gmail.com wrote: On 04.01.2014 21:09, Adam Williamson wrote: Because yum's code is a mess. curl -s http://www.textfiles.com/art/monkey.vt From Yum with Love. poma I don't think that helps ___ Regards, Frank

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-06 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 12:38:46 -0700 Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote: If an expert says no ordinary user would ever do a command, they have not worked front line Tech Support recently enough. aside: but true User- can you replace my modem, it doesn't work CSR: - can you do x,y,z .

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 12:16:36 +0100 Lars E. Pettersson l...@homer.se wrote: Ah, did not know that, if you try to auto complete yum only remove shows up, but erase also works. So perhaps erase was an afterthought, to mimic the rpm behavior. If rpm has erase, and yum also can use erase, perhaps

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-04 Thread Frank Murphy
On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 15:33:43 -0500 Jared K. Smith jsm...@fedoraproject.org wrote: That was my understand as well (as of about a year ago), but I don't know if that's still the current plan or not. -- Jared Smith Do you mean dnf will obsolete yum In that dnf will be called yum If so, can it

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-03 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 14:36:08 -0500 Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com wrote: If is a drop in replacement for yum - then why not call it yum, then there is no learning curve. It's not a d.i.r.: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-January/193312.html ___ Regards, Frank

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Frank Murphy
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 10:24:20 -0400 Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller cscha...@redhat.com wrote: Will the other DE's still exist after workstation Will a dev be able to use Xfce, Lxde as graphical choice. What would encourage say an xubuntu dev //* devs are still users */ working on foo, to

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:17:28 +0100 Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote: On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 03:53:48AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Olav Vitters wrote: AFAIK (not sure), it should come somewhat easy once you the distribution is based upon systemd. That means it will exclude the most

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 12:53:15 +0100 drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: Depends on what you mean by power user (I hate this meaningless term) if it means software developer then yes. If it means someone that spends his whole day in config dialogs then no. Maybe?

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 12:35:30 +0100 Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote: And if that is the case, there is a huge disconnect between GNOME goals and Fedora Workstation goals. GNOME speakers repeat all year round their software is not aimed at power users, but developers are the

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-04 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 4 Nov 2013 11:03:45 +0100 drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: Apps shipping from upstream direcly does not have to be closed source. Firefox for instance could use that, or libreoffice, or eclipse. If a user needs a newer version (or nightly build) without having upstream worry about

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-04 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 12:21:23 +0100 Mateusz Marzantowicz mmarzantow...@osdf.com.pl wrote: The average user don't use nightly builds and should not be interested in such experimental software. They do if they believe version N+, will fix\give feature X that is nice to have. and give feedback to

Re: Fedora search

2013-11-01 Thread Frank Murphy
On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 03:05:16 + (UTC) Ben Boeckel maths...@gmail.com wrote: Google is having more and more privacy issues lately. Why not use DuckDuckGo and write a 'bang' search for fedora sites? !fedora-guidelines, !fedora-package !fedora-wiki, etc.? --Ben Couldn't care if they had a

Re: Fedora search

2013-11-01 Thread Frank Murphy
On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 04:22:33 + Frankie Onuonga frankie.onuo...@gmail.com wrote: I think this goes back to the concept of having something that we can do for ourselves. It is a nice to have concept. But Fedora users (even new ones) will use whatever search engine they are

Re: Ambassadors places in new Working Groups

2013-10-27 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 12:34:01 +0100 Nobrakal nobra...@gmail.com wrote: In my mind, Ambassadors are more near of users than developers or marketing team. Ambassadors organize all the events, submit new idea... It is really important to have at least an ambassador in WG Alexandre It is also

Re: PATH has /bin before /usr/bin in upgraded rawhide

2013-10-27 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 14:59:33 +0100 Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: /home/sandro/.local/bin in the PATH is not the default. Or is it new for Rawhide? This in in F20 for me as user: ~$ echo $PATH snip.../home/frank/.local/bin:/home/frank/bin so the bit with the name seems to be

Re: How to create another one maillist?

2013-10-21 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:31:28 +0400 Peter Lemenkov lemen...@gmail.com wrote: - one for Erlang, and another one for Golang. Could please anyone help me - where should I start? Open a ticket with fedora infra, saying what you need. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Tickets --

Re: aarch64 support bugs obsolete?

2013-10-17 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 08:16:40 +0200 Alec Leamas leamas.a...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for replying- this slipped through my inbox. You can also see if your package was built successfully by visiting

Re: How to mount USB memory stick on F18 on Dracut

2013-10-14 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:04:27 +0100 Aaron Gray aaronngray.li...@gmail.com wrote: Hi , I need to get bug report from Dracut onto a USB Memory stick on F18 that is not booting properly on latest F18 kernel. Usually the memory stick appears on /dev/sda but its not there on Dracut Many thanks

Re: are you annoyed by frequent password prompts?

2013-09-30 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 16:10:48 +0200 drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Daniel J Walsh dwa...@redhat.com wrote: Random crap from the internet not a good idea. Since firefox can out and crab stuff to install, and I would never no. No one is that insane ;)

Re: RFC: Old packages remain on the mirrors for one week

2013-08-17 Thread Frank Murphy
On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 16:57:38 -0600 Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: Well, I think many folks won't like the extra disk space used. More than likely, but if they are interested in testing maybe not.? I think it would take something like yum-plugin-local to have a proper repo that yum

Re: RFC: Old packages remain on the mirrors for one week

2013-08-15 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 15:15:11 -0600 Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: That sounds like it would be a lot of duplication in mirrormanager and other parts of the project. ;) kevin Why not do it's on the users PC\Laptop. (As a change\feature?) /etc/yum.repos.d/updates.repo (ditto testing if

Re: Rawhide tree now includes install images

2013-07-26 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 10:41:22 -0600 Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: This allows users to use the latest boot.iso or pxe images to install rawhide instances or point to rawhide as a install-able tree. kevin Will this be possible through bfo futuredate? -- Regards, Frank When in doubt

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:53:56 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: Nobody is talking about removing from the distribution entirely and quite frankly administrators that complain about journal have not actually tried it and experienced the flexibility the journactl gives

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 13:22:07 +0200 Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: but as a test do: echo | journalctl -x --no-pager --since-today | mailx -s Today's Journal user (real isp email ) What's the echo | supposed to do? For some reason first few emails, without it had

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 14:26:48 +0200 Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Tue, 16.07.13 13:11, Frank Murphy (frankl...@gmail.com) wrote: You do understand that this: But -x is one of the good benefits. Giving explanation. and this: size matters, when on 3G-internet

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-15 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 10:44:44 +0200 Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: No Default Syslog = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSyslog Change owner(s): Lennart Poettering lennart at poettering net, Matthew Miller mattdm at fedoraproject org

Re: [Devel] Orphaning be and python-storm

2013-07-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 20:28:51 +0800 Christopher Meng cicku...@gmail.com wrote: And please fix the bug 963158 Thanks! Please let him take a breath! -- Regards, Frank When in doubt PANIC! I check for new mail app. 20min www.frankly3d.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Media Sizes SRPMS DVD

2013-06-28 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 20:52:25 -0500 Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us wrote: The tooling can not make split media. its not possible. I meant us in Freemedia? on our own pcs -- Regards, Frank When in doubt PANIC! I check for new mail app. 20min www.frankly3d.com -- devel mailing list

Re: Media Sizes SRPMS DVD

2013-06-26 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 23:13:01 +0100 Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: Apology for self-reply Any further thoughts on this. Can we split the SRPMS dvd ourselves over two? Found something Boardy from 2008: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.advisory-board/4277 -- Regards

Re: Media Sizes SRPMS DVD

2013-06-26 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 08:44:36 -0500 Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us wrote: no, because pungi the tool that creates the source dvd doesnt support split media. I actually want to stop making source dvds all together. but that will need legal approval first. note we don't actually make and

Re: Media Sizes SRPMS DVD

2013-06-25 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 00:45:25 +0200 drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: Do people download / use the SRPM DVDs rather then just download the ones they are interested in? https://fedoraproject.org/freemedia/FreeMedia-form.html It's the downloading bit that can be the problem. -- Regards,

Re: Media Sizes SRPMS DVD

2013-06-25 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 16:42:22 -0700 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: (Our legal obligations may be discharged simply by the fact we keep the entire frozen tree, including SRPMs, for each release on the mirror, but that's an entirely different bikeshed and IANAL).

Media Sizes SRPMS DVD

2013-06-24 Thread Frank Murphy
Freemedia Hat on. Seeing the other thread where size limits have been spoken about: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2013-June/184345.html Looking at: http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/ Fedora-18-source-DVD.torrent 8.8GB Hazard a guess F19 will be similar. It's pushed the limit of

Re: Default-installed MTA (was Re: MTA virtual provides craziness)

2013-05-21 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 20 May 2013 20:20:56 -0400 Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.com wrote: The only MTA I've seen handlie both SMARTHOST and /etc/aliases correctly was exim,. which is no longer included by default and for which the necessary configuration is not widely published nor in the default

Maybe OT: sharecache

2013-05-05 Thread Frank Murphy
Got an idea am working on. Need to know if anything Fedora*ish is using the word sharecache in any form. I just don't know how to check everything. Except ask here.. -- Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Maybe OT: sharecache

2013-05-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sun, 5 May 2013 09:38:10 +0100 Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: Never mind man nfs: sharecache / nosharecache -- Regards, Frank - I check for new mail every 20min www.frankly3d.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo

yum tidy-cache

2013-05-05 Thread Frank Murphy
Asking was yum tidy-cache ever in Fedora? http://freecode.com/projects/tidy-yum-cache-plugin No upstream activity since 2009: Couldn't find any mention of it being so using term yum-tidy-cache -- Regards, Frank - I check for new mail every 20min www.frankly3d.com -- devel mailing list

Re: yum tidy-cache

2013-05-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sun, 05 May 2013 06:35:37 -0700 John Reiser jrei...@bitwagon.com wrote: Asking was yum tidy-cache ever in Fedora? http://freecode.com/projects/tidy-yum-cache-plugin How does that compare to repomanage -o from the yum-utils package? That's not a plugin, but it does say which are the

Re: yum tidy-cache

2013-05-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sun, 5 May 2013 14:45:17 +0100 Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: Apology for self reply but repomanage seems to act on a named dir, as distinct from working on yum cachedir. Am uncertain as to use in culling all repos within keepcache=1 It may work as repomanage -n /var/cache

Re: audacity

2013-04-29 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 17:20:30 -0400 Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.com wrote: This is nonsense. There are enough licenses for the linux environment. A lot of vendors have licensed MP3 en/decoders that work on the linux. The point is that there is no licensed open source mp3 en/decoder.

Re: audacity

2013-04-28 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 07:09:30 -0700 Richard Vickery richard.vicker...@gmail.com wrote: For F18, it appears that the Audacity mp3 build is broken - it won't install - and mp3 support is rather important to me; is it possible to get this particular build working? Important or otherwise, Fedora

Re: Login to Koji

2013-04-20 Thread Frank Murphy
On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 19:51:37 +0200 Thomas Moschny thomas.mosc...@gmail.com wrote: ;) Agreed in principle. On the other hand, all these possible solutions require something running on my side permanently :( -- Thomas http://blogtrottr.com/about/ then use your email filters. -- Regards,

Re: LightDM is absent?

2013-04-14 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 20:30:25 +0400 Eugene Pivnev ti.eug...@gmail.com wrote: I can't find lightd, package in Fedora - If it was lightdm package you were looking for, repeat the test, but click packages -- Regards, Frank http//www.frankly3d.com -- devel mailing list

Re: dnf installs cron.hourly

2013-03-15 Thread Frank Murphy
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 11:33:24 + Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 07:16:27AM -0400, Neal Becker wrote: I don't think users would expect that install of dnf would without asking (or control) automatically run dnf-makecache. Heh. That's one of the

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:52:30 +0100 Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote: Le Mar 12 mars 2013 13:30, Fabian Deutsch a écrit : What about pulling the message stuff into plymouth and using dracut to trigger a reboot which shows the grub menu? Something along the lines: Press

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: QXL/Spice KMS Driver

2013-01-31 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:52:12 + Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: = Features/QXLKMSSupport = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/QXLKMSSupport Looking forward to testing this in F19 guests. -- Regards, Frank http//www.frankly3d.com -- devel mailing list

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-29 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 21:56:17 +0800 Christopher Meng cicku...@gmail.com wrote: Funny...I suggest that we can submit a changing desktop feature per release. Maybe this is the best solution. No, it's not a Screensaver. -- Regards, Frank http//www.frankly3d.com -- devel mailing list

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:14:22 +0100 Sandro Mani manisan...@gmail.com wrote: Can't we simply re-organize the fedoraproject website in such way that the download button points to something similar to the current More options page, maybe with a small description for each desktop like easy to use

Re: [rawhide] ideas to improve rawhide

2013-01-27 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 15:59:05 -0700 Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/files/critical-path/old/critpath.py I've been using yum-local here, but it's not as handy as I thought it might be. ;( modify yum-local to keep say 5 copies? (in case something hits

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-24 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 04:31:03 +0100 Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: You know, I really dislike packaging things. I love hacking. If I package something then that's an ugly side effect of what I really want to do. And thus I'd spend as little time on packaging as I can. Ask for

Re: [rawhide] ideas to improve rawhide

2013-01-24 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 09:55:07 -0700 Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: Greetings. As some of you may know, I switched my laptop over to rawhide and have been posting a series of blogs about the various issues I have run into in the last month. As a non-Dev, but running rawhide. Hence

Fedora Members Absent or present?

2013-01-20 Thread Frank Murphy
Is there any definitive way to determine if person X has left the Fedoraproject as a whole? -- Regards, Frank Ask not what Fedora can do for you, but what you can do for Fedora --me, courtesy JFK -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora Members Absent or present?

2013-01-20 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:14:39 +0100 Emmanuel Seyman emman...@seyman.fr wrote: * Frank Murphy [20/01/2013 11:43] : Is there any definitive way to determine if person X has left the Fedoraproject as a whole? The closest thing we have to a definitive way is pingou's fedora_active_user

Re: PSA: updates-testing default disabled now

2012-12-22 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 10:16:28 +0100 Thorsten Leemhuis fed...@leemhuis.info wrote: I for one find it annoying having to fiddle with the repo files every few months to make sure testing stays enabled # cat updates-testing.repo [fedora-updates-testing] # adding fedora prevents change for me. as

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