Re: Better interactivity in low-memory situations

2019-09-04 Thread Kyle Marek
On 9/4/19 3:38 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:03 PM Chris Murphy wrote: >> I'm skeptical of swapfiles for this use case, because it likely >> increases the chance for file system disk contention, see section >> 11.17 >>

Re: Better interactivity in low-memory situations

2019-09-04 Thread Kyle Marek
On 9/4/19 3:16 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Kyle Marek: > >> I'm finding that 32G is not necessarily sufficient for compiling clang >> itself. Similarly I've had a hard time compiling UnrealEngine from >> source. I usually see ld using up to 12G of memory to link each >

Re: Better interactivity in low-memory situations

2019-09-04 Thread Kyle Marek
On 9/3/19 12:30 AM, John Harris wrote: > On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 10:48:06 PM MST John Harris wrote: >> On Sunday, August 18, 2019 4:33:47 AM MST Gordan Bobic wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 10:36 AM wrote: >>> This seems like a distraction from the real goal here, which is to

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-09-03 Thread Kyle Marek
On 8/31/19 6:45 PM, John Harris wrote: > On Friday, August 30, 2019 4:33:11 AM MST Björn Persson wrote: >> John Harris wrote: >>> Thing is, binding a port and expecting it to be open to every network >>> interface you've got are two very different things. >> Once again John Harris is completely

Re: F29 System Wide Change: uEFI for ARMv7

2018-07-10 Thread Kyle Marek
On 07/10/2018 04:51 PM, Cole Robinson wrote: > On 07/10/2018 04:22 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 03, 2018 at 10:14:43PM -0700, Thomas Daede wrote: >>> On 07/03/2018 05:15 AM, Jan Kurik wrote: Move to uEFI as the default boot mechanism for ARMv7 devices. >>> Will this

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-30 Thread Kyle Marek
On 06/30/2018 10:11 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Fr, 29.06.18 17:26, Kyle Marek (pspps...@gmail.com) wrote: > >> Kernel updates are different. You *have* to reboot in order to run the >> new kernel (except for security updates applied with kpatch) and a >> broken

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-29 Thread Kyle Marek
On 06/29/2018 04:33 PM, Lars Seipel wrote: > On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 03:17:53PM -0400, Kyle Marek wrote: >> On 06/25/2018 02:49 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: >>> But it's useful for unattended systems in general, be it servers or >>> appliances: if a boot fails ther

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-25 Thread Kyle Marek
On 06/25/2018 02:49 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mo, 25.06.18 13:22, Kyle Marek (pspps...@gmail.com) wrote: > >>> So think about this one bit ahead. Right now it's clear that even with >>> Grub's relatively large contributor base it'shard to impossible to >&

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-25 Thread Kyle Marek
On 06/25/2018 06:40 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Fr, 22.06.18 14:17, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 12:57 PM, Lennart Poettering >> wrote: >>> On Fr, 22.06.18 19:01, Javier Martinez Canillas (jav...@dowhile0.org) wrote: >>> > Whereas

Re: Prioritizing ~/.local/bin over /usr/bin on the PATH

2018-06-24 Thread Kyle Marek
On 06/24/2018 04:17 PM, Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: > On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 at 20:32, Björn Persson wrote: > [..] >> Yes. There is no order that is obviously best for all purposes. >> >> I know at least one well-designed programming language where, if two >> declarations have the same identifier but in

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-22 Thread Kyle Marek
On 06/22/2018 05:15 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Matthew Miller said: >> On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 03:30:23PM -0400, Kyle Marek wrote: >>> Anaconda in F28 currently claims /boot cannot be vfat. However, this >>> appears to be an artificial limitation, be

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-22 Thread Kyle Marek
On 06/22/2018 03:35 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Javier Martinez Canillas > wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 11:19 PM, Chris Murphy >> wrote: >> >> [snip] >> > OK anyway, I don't see broad BLS consensus forming yet, but I do see > two items that aren't

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-22 Thread Kyle Marek
On 06/22/2018 02:57 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Fr, 22.06.18 19:01, Javier Martinez Canillas (jav...@dowhile0.org) wrote: > >>> Whereas constantly changing the ESP, means we need some way to >>> establish a master and rsync to the extras. >> So the consensus seems to be to have the BLS

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-21 Thread Kyle Marek
On 06/21/2018 10:28 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 3:59 PM, Kyle Marek wrote: > >> If it helps, I've only ever used GRUB on GPT when installing to BIOS >> systems. I haven't encountered *any* issues so far. > It was always model specific. Maybe 1/2 dozen

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-21 Thread Kyle Marek
On 06/21/2018 05:19 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Kyle Marek wrote: >> On 06/21/2018 03:07 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Kyle Marek wrote: >>> >>>> I would greatly appreciate a move to a uniform

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-21 Thread Kyle Marek
On 06/21/2018 03:07 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Kyle Marek wrote: > >> I would greatly appreciate a move to a uniform GPT+EF02+EF00 >> partitioning default with a shared boot loader config. > An ESP on BIOS is perhaps weird when making so

Re: Services that shouldn't be started in the first place: Was F29... hide.. grub

2018-06-21 Thread Kyle Marek
On 06/21/2018 02:00 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Lennart Poettering > wrote: > >> Just out of curiosity: when precisely is rngd supposed to be used? As >> soon as there's a hardware RNG device /dev/hwrng? That should be >> easy enough:

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-21 Thread Kyle Marek
On 06/21/2018 09:41 AM, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > Hi, > >> From my perspective (Fedora CoreOS developer) that straddles >> both physical and cloud for the server case, the problem is that >> the virtualized case, and in particular public cloud, and really >> specifically EC2 - no one really cares

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-18 Thread Kyle Marek
On 06/18/2018 07:37 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: >> On Jun 18, 2018, at 3:54 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 3:42 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: >>> As an extra plus, upgrading a kernel doesn’t require mounting the ESP, >>> which means that the bootloader installation can

Re: Prioritizing ~/.local/bin over /usr/bin on the PATH

2018-06-16 Thread Kyle Marek
On 06/16/2018 01:17 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Björn Persson wrote: >> Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: >>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 12:55 PM, Till Maas wrote: So the assumption is to have a super sophisticated browser exploit for which an attacker

Re: f29 bootloader changes / raid1 installs + efi

2018-06-15 Thread Kyle Marek
On 06/15/2018 07:22 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 4:42 PM, Kyle Marek wrote: >> On 06/15/2018 06:35 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: >>>> On 15/06/18 22:50, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: >>

Re: f29 bootloader changes / raid1 installs + efi

2018-06-15 Thread Kyle Marek
On 06/15/2018 06:35 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: >> On 15/06/18 22:50, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: >>>>>>>> "KM" == Kyle Marek writes: >>> >>> KM> I can't remember what e

Re: f29 bootloader changes / raid1 installs + efi

2018-06-15 Thread Kyle Marek
On 06/15/2018 05:09 PM, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: >> "CM" == Chris Murphy writes: > CM> The installer right now, against upstream mdadm dev's explicit > CM> advice, sets up an mdadm raid1 using (I think deprecated 0.9 > CM> metadata format but could also work with 1.0 format). > > And I'm

Re: Prioritizing ~/.local/bin over /usr/bin on the PATH

2018-06-12 Thread Kyle Marek
On 06/12/2018 07:50 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 7:10 AM, Tomasz Kłoczko > wrote: > >> Just FTR: So far I was unable to find in any of the fredesktop.org or >> other specs (https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/) things like >> requirement use /usr/local{bi,sbin} or

Re: Hiding the grub menu by default on single OS installs

2018-06-06 Thread Kyle Marek
On 06/06/2018 03:04 AM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > On Friday, 01 June 2018 at 12:53, Hans de Goede wrote: >> On 01-06-18 11:54, Tomas Kovar wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have two suggestions: >>> >>> - on UEFI systems, would it be possible to use an EFI variable to force >>> grub

Re: Hiding the grub menu by default on single OS installs

2018-06-03 Thread Kyle Marek
On 06/01/2018 02:03 PM, Peter Jones wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 05:47:36PM +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On 31-05-18 15:20, Robert Marcano wrote: >>> On 05/31/2018 06:52 AM, Hans de Goede wrote: ... This will basically get us back the F28 behavior of showing the menu

Re: Hiding the grub menu by default on single OS installs

2018-05-31 Thread Kyle Marek
With respect, I am opposed to the proposal. In essence, I think this boils down to: function > form. I've been in too many situations where hidden GRUB menus resulted in having to "guess" when the firmware has finally started the bootloader and what would be a quick 5 second cmdline change turns