Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-13 Thread Jiri Moskovcak
On 12/13/2010 01:14 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: On Thursday, December 09, 2010 06:24:15 pm Jiri Moskovcak wrote: On 12/09/2010 06:11 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 17:36 +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: so, can we call the RFE: attach backtrace even when dupe is found ? or,

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-13 Thread Jiri Moskovcak
On 12/13/2010 02:17 PM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: On 12/13/2010 01:14 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: On Thursday, December 09, 2010 06:24:15 pm Jiri Moskovcak wrote: On 12/09/2010 06:11 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 17:36 +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: so, can we call the RFE: attach

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Dave Jones wrote: I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, but there's a pretty big difference between completely ignoring automatically filed bugs (regardless of where they're filed), and automatically filing those bugs upstream. Of course. But that's why I'm advocating doing the

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jiri Moskovcak wrote: This is not a first time when in see this idea and was already answered - we're the distro and we're responsible for the packages, filling all bugs to the upstream will make more harm then good - e.g. crash caused by our patch or by some library which has different

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-13 Thread Jiri Moskovcak
On 12/13/2010 05:43 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jiri Moskovcak wrote: This is not a first time when in see this idea and was already answered - we're the distro and we're responsible for the packages, filling all bugs to the upstream will make more harm then good - e.g. crash caused by our patch

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-12 Thread Jiri Moskovcak
On 12/12/2010 06:10 AM, Dave Jones wrote: On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 02:11:27AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Dave Jones wrote: On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 12:45:10PM +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: The problem here is that some maintainers doesn't want ABRT reports at

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-12 Thread Dave Jones
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:46:04AM +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: Apropos of nothing: kerneloops reporting seems to have been broken ever since we switched from using the kerneloops client to abrt, but that's another story.. - I reported quite a few oops using abrt (even found

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-11 Thread Jiri Moskovcak
On 12/11/2010 02:55 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: drago01 wrote: Well ABRT should stop filing bugs in bugzilla, it does not scale PERIOD. IMHO it should file bugs in the upstream bug tracker (even if that tracker is not Bugzilla, so it'd have to learn as many different bug tracker APIs as

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-11 Thread Jiri Moskovcak
On 12/11/2010 02:05 AM, Dave Jones wrote: On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:51:39AM +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: The problem is entirely cosmetic. No data is harmed, the program exits after that, it's just a child thread and the main process don't communicate the exit quite right.

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-11 Thread Genes MailLists
On 12/11/2010 06:45 AM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: If ABRT can tell that the backtrace is same as something previously reported then there is no big harm, as it would only add the reporter to CC and won't be generating much noise.. The problem here is that some maintainers doesn't want ABRT

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-11 Thread Jiri Moskovcak
On 12/11/2010 03:55 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: On 12/11/2010 06:45 AM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: If ABRT can tell that the backtrace is same as something previously reported then there is no big harm, as it would only add the reporter to CC and won't be generating much noise.. The problem here

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-11 Thread Genes MailLists
On 12/11/2010 02:15 PM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: will/not operate. ABRT already has a blacklist configurable in it's config file, but it's controlled by ABRT maintainers... the problem or the request here is to have a directory like /etc/abrt.d/ where other maintainers can drop a config

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-11 Thread Dave Jones
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 12:45:10PM +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: The problem here is that some maintainers doesn't want ABRT reports at all even those not yet reported... It's arguable that such people are 'maintainers' at all if this is the case. I find it quite sad that we have packagers

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-11 Thread Kevin Kofler
Dave Jones wrote: On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 12:45:10PM +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: The problem here is that some maintainers doesn't want ABRT reports at all even those not yet reported... It's arguable that such people are 'maintainers' at all if this is the case. I find it quite

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-11 Thread Dave Jones
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 02:11:27AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Dave Jones wrote: On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 12:45:10PM +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: The problem here is that some maintainers doesn't want ABRT reports at all even those not yet reported... It's arguable that

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-10 Thread Jiri Moskovcak
On 12/09/2010 08:57 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 14:53 -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote: On 12/09/2010 12:05 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 12:08 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 12/09/2010 09:59 AM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: Just a wild idea - ABRT

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-10 Thread Jiri Moskovcak
On 12/09/2010 08:57 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 14:53:20 -0500 Przemek Klosowskiprzemek.klosow...@nist.gov wrote: On 12/09/2010 12:05 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 12:08 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 12/09/2010 09:59 AM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: Just

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-10 Thread Camilo Mesias
Hi, On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: if it just invisibly doesn't run, I'd try it again, but if I'm running it from the console and it spits out a clear fatal error and crashes, yeah, I'm not going to run it again. That'd be pointless. I would hope

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-10 Thread Dave Jones
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:51:39AM +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: The problem is entirely cosmetic. No data is harmed, the program exits after that, it's just a child thread and the main process don't communicate the exit quite right. So, pretty much everyone who uses calibre sees

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-10 Thread Kevin Kofler
drago01 wrote: Well ABRT should stop filing bugs in bugzilla, it does not scale PERIOD. IMHO it should file bugs in the upstream bug tracker (even if that tracker is not Bugzilla, so it'd have to learn as many different bug tracker APIs as possible). Gnash upstream actually MIGHT be able to

ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-09 Thread Tomas Mraz
18:53:17 ajax i've heard a modest amount of complaints that abrt is doing more harm than good 18:53:53 ajax along multiple axes, but in particular it's simply too much data for apps like firefox and evo for maintainers to respond to 18:54:22 ajax i don't have any particular suggestions for

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-09 Thread Jiri Moskovcak
On 12/09/2010 10:55 AM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: On 12/09/2010 10:38 AM, Tomas Mraz wrote: 18:53:17ajax i've heard a modest amount of complaints that abrt is doing more harm than good 18:53:53ajax along multiple axes, but in particular it's simply too much data for apps like firefox and

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 12/09/2010 09:59 AM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: Just a wild idea - ABRT detects the dupes even locally so we can make ABRT to allow reporting the bug to bz only if it happened more then once (or some other threshold):) Dont we loose hard to catch odd ball bugs if that's implemented? JBG --

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-09 Thread Jiri Moskovcak
On 12/09/2010 01:08 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 12/09/2010 09:59 AM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: Just a wild idea - ABRT detects the dupes even locally so we can make ABRT to allow reporting the bug to bz only if it happened more then once (or some other threshold):) Dont we loose hard to

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-09 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/09/2010 01:27 PM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: On 12/09/2010 01:08 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 12/09/2010 09:59 AM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: Just a wild idea - ABRT detects the dupes even locally so we can make ABRT to allow reporting the bug to bz only if it happened more then once (or

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-09 Thread Jiri Moskovcak
On 12/09/2010 02:04 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 12/09/2010 01:27 PM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: On 12/09/2010 01:08 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 12/09/2010 09:59 AM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: Just a wild idea - ABRT detects the dupes even locally so we can make ABRT to allow reporting the bug

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-09 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/09/2010 02:59 PM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: On 12/09/2010 02:04 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 12/09/2010 01:27 PM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: On 12/09/2010 01:08 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 12/09/2010 09:59 AM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: Just a wild idea - ABRT detects the dupes even locally

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-09 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 12/09/2010 08:59 AM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: snip - debuginfo-install is just a fallback if ABRT fails to retrieve the debuginfo itself (and ABRT doesn't need the root privs, as is *does not* install the packages, it just unpacks them) snip Jirka Currently, abrt says the debuginfo packages

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-09 Thread Jiri Moskovcak
On 12/09/2010 03:52 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 12/09/2010 02:59 PM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: On 12/09/2010 02:04 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 12/09/2010 01:27 PM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: On 12/09/2010 01:08 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 12/09/2010 09:59 AM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: Just a

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-09 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 9 décembre 2010 15:52, Ralf Corsepius a écrit : It has never done so for me (on fedora 13 + fedora 14). ABRT always instructs me to run debuginfo-install, which will fail for obvious reasons in a normal user environment and thus requires me to become root (On real ordinary user

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-09 Thread Jiri Moskovcak
On 12/09/2010 05:31 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Jeu 9 décembre 2010 15:52, Ralf Corsepius a écrit : It has never done so for me (on fedora 13 + fedora 14). ABRT always instructs me to run debuginfo-install, which will fail for obvious reasons in a normal user environment and thus requires

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-09 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Jiri Moskovcak [09/12/2010 17:42] : so, can we call the RFE: attach backtrace even when dupe is found ? - Always attach backtrace - Do not do so in Bugzilla Emmanuel -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 12:08 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 12/09/2010 09:59 AM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: Just a wild idea - ABRT detects the dupes even locally so we can make ABRT to allow reporting the bug to bz only if it happened more then once (or some other threshold):) Dont we

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 17:36 +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: so, can we call the RFE: attach backtrace even when dupe is found ? or, cooler, 'attach backtrace even when dupe is found *if current backtrace is better than any already attached to the bug*'. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-09 Thread drago01
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: 18:53:17 ajax i've heard a modest amount of complaints that abrt is doing more harm than good 18:53:53 ajax along multiple axes, but in particular it's simply too much data for apps like firefox and evo for maintainers to

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-09 Thread Jiri Moskovcak
On 12/09/2010 06:11 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 17:36 +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: so, can we call the RFE: attach backtrace even when dupe is found ? or, cooler, 'attach backtrace even when dupe is found *if current backtrace is better than any already attached to the

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 18:24 +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: On 12/09/2010 06:11 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 17:36 +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: so, can we call the RFE: attach backtrace even when dupe is found ? or, cooler, 'attach backtrace even when dupe is found *if

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-09 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 12/09/2010 12:05 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 12:08 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 12/09/2010 09:59 AM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: Just a wild idea - ABRT detects the dupes even locally so we can make ABRT to allow reporting the bug to bz only if it happened more then