Neal Gompa wrote:
> To summarize: there's no such thing as a "good" time to do it, and the
> SIG feels that doing it at the Plasma 6.0 major version upgrade allows
> us to reset expectations, as users are used to major versions being
> significantly different than their predecessors. Otherwise, we
On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 12:06 PM Maxwell G wrote:
>
> On Tue Sep 26, 2023 at 13:07 +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> > Maxwell G wrote:
> > > Also, I do not like that this is tied together to the Plasma 6 change.
> > > Nobody is actually talking about the subject of the change, KDE Plasma
>
On Tue Sep 26, 2023 at 13:07 +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Maxwell G wrote:
> > Also, I do not like that this is tied together to the Plasma 6 change.
> > Nobody is actually talking about the subject of the change, KDE Plasma
> > 6; most of the conversation is about dropping X11 which was
Maxwell G wrote:
> Also, I do not like that this is tied together to the Plasma 6 change.
> Nobody is actually talking about the subject of the change, KDE Plasma
> 6; most of the conversation is about dropping X11 which was tacked on to
> this Change.
> It would be better as a separate Change
On Wed Sep 13, 2023 at 16:53 +0100, Aoife Moloney wrote:
> This upgrade is also notable that for Fedora Linux (and Fedora Extra
> Packages for Enterprise Linux 10, once that materializes), KDE Plasma
> will '''not''' offer an X11 session. Fedora KDE has been fully Wayland
> by default from login
On 9/20/23 12:06, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
Ian Laurie wrote:
On 9/18/23 07:48, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
SDDM was switched to Wayland for F38 and newer. If you want it to use
X11, you have to edit /etc/sddm.conf and set:
[General]
DisplayServer=x11
*sigh*
I agree with your
Ian Laurie wrote:
> On 9/18/23 07:48, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
>> SDDM was switched to Wayland for F38 and newer. If you want it to use
>> X11, you have to edit /etc/sddm.conf and set:
>>
>> [General]
>> DisplayServer=x11
>
> *sigh*
I agree with your feeling. My list of "unbreak my Fedora"
On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 10:12 AM Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 9:57 AM Neal Becker wrote:
> >
> > Some apps that are not open source and we are required to use don't
> cooperate: see attached
> >
>
> According to this VMware forum post, the warning is annoying, but
> harmless?
>
On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 9:57 AM Neal Becker wrote:
>
> Some apps that are not open source and we are required to use don't
> cooperate: see attached
>
According to this VMware forum post, the warning is annoying, but
harmless?
Some apps that are not open source and we are required to use don't
cooperate: see attached
On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 11:58 AM Steven A. Falco
wrote:
> On 9/18/23 11:33 AM, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 11:12 AM Steven A. Falco
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 9/17/23 05:48 PM, Kevin
On 9/18/23 11:33 AM, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 11:12 AM Steven A. Falco wrote:
On 9/17/23 05:48 PM, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
Ian Laurie wrote:
I didn't think the greeter used Wayland? So there may be something else
going on. I cannot swear to it, but I don't think
On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 11:12 AM Steven A. Falco wrote:
>
> On 9/17/23 05:48 PM, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> > Ian Laurie wrote:
> >> I didn't think the greeter used Wayland? So there may be something else
> >> going on. I cannot swear to it, but I don't think I've noticed problems
> >> in
On 9/17/23 05:48 PM, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
Ian Laurie wrote:
I didn't think the greeter used Wayland? So there may be something else
going on. I cannot swear to it, but I don't think I've noticed problems
in the greeter before.
As Adam posted, the offset problem already has a bug
On 9/18/23 07:48, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
SDDM was switched to Wayland for F38 and newer. If you want it to use X11,
you have to edit /etc/sddm.conf and set:
[General]
DisplayServer=x11
*sigh*
Well... setting DisplayServer=x11 works, the greeter works properly now.
Thanks.
--
Ian
Dear Michael,
> Full disclosure: Writing this from F38/X11/i3 ;-)
> F39 should be a good release to try the switch (Wayland/sway for me),
> and in fact for some releases we have had dual session options now at
> least for Gnome and KDE (X11/Wayland) so that one could try and switch
> apps
On Sun, 2023-09-17 at 23:48 +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Ian Laurie wrote:
> > I didn't think the greeter used Wayland? So there may be something
> > else
> > going on. I cannot swear to it, but I don't think I've noticed
> > problems
> > in the greeter before.
> >
> > As Adam
Ian Laurie wrote:
> I didn't think the greeter used Wayland? So there may be something else
> going on. I cannot swear to it, but I don't think I've noticed problems
> in the greeter before.
>
> As Adam posted, the offset problem already has a bug for it. Wayland is
> certainly unusable in
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 5:54 PM Aoife Moloney wrote:
> == Summary ==
> KDE Plasma 6 is successor to KDE Plasma 5 created by the KDE
> Community. It is based on Qt 6 and KDE Frameworks 6 and brings many
> changes and improvements over previous versions. For Fedora Linux, the
> transition to KDE
Il 15/09/23 11:25, Marcin Juszkiewicz ha scritto:
> W dniu 13.09.2023 o 17:53, Aoife Moloney pisze:
>
>> == Summary ==
>> KDE Plasma 6 is successor to KDE Plasma 5 created by the KDE
>> Community. It is based on Qt 6 and KDE Frameworks 6 and brings many
>> changes and improvements over previous
On 9/14/23 10:13, Adam Williamson wrote:
There is https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=427060 and
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=449331 which is marked as a dupe
of it. Later comments on 427060 indicate some folks still have issues
with this.
My personal bugbear that I'd really like fixed
Neal Gompa wrote:
> I am interested in learning where you're seeing screen sharing issues
> today.
Quoting myself from:
https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f40-change-proposal-kde-plasma-6-system-wide/89794/7
I wrote there:
> As for screensharing on Wayland, that does not work with F
W dniu 13.09.2023 o 17:53, Aoife Moloney pisze:
== Summary ==
KDE Plasma 6 is successor to KDE Plasma 5 created by the KDE
Community. It is based on Qt 6 and KDE Frameworks 6 and brings many
changes and improvements over previous versions. For Fedora Linux, the
transition to KDE Plasma 6 will
On 9/14/23 04:20 PM, Steven A. Falco wrote:
I've written a bug [1] stating that window placement appears to be ignored.
Specifically the following command ignores the requested placement under
Plasma(Wayland) but the placement is honored under Plasma(X11). That is a big
problem in a
On 9/14/23 06:36 AM, Ian McInerney wrote:
On Thu, 14 Sep 2023, 00:17 Neal Gompa, mailto:ngomp...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 7:02 PM Steven A. Falco mailto:stevenfa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> On 9/13/23 05:23 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > Right. And I want to
On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 8:29 PM Ian Pilcher wrote:
>
> On 9/14/23 11:15, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > I am interested in learning where you're seeing screen sharing issues
> > today. The main one people bring up with me is video conferencing
> > systems, and because of completely unrelated reasons, I've
On 9/14/23 11:15, Neal Gompa wrote:
I am interested in learning where you're seeing screen sharing issues
today. The main one people bring up with me is video conferencing
systems, and because of completely unrelated reasons, I've been on a
binge of using a variety of them.
I thought that I
On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 11:56 AM Ian Pilcher wrote:
>
> On 9/13/23 12:52, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> >> For Fedora Linux, the transition to KDE Plasma 6 will also include
> >> dropping support for the X11 session entirely, leaving only Plasma Wayland
> >> as the sole offered desktop mode.
>
On 9/13/23 12:52, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
For Fedora Linux, the transition to KDE Plasma 6 will also include
dropping support for the X11 session entirely, leaving only Plasma Wayland
as the sole offered desktop mode.
Huh?! Why?! KDE upstream is still supporting X11 in Plasma 6. I see no
On Thu, 14 Sep 2023, 09:24 Michael J Gruber, wrote:
> Am Mi., 13. Sept. 2023 um 23:29 Uhr schrieb Neal Gompa >:
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 5:24 PM Fabio Valentini
> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 11:19 PM Steven A. Falco <
> stevenfa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > A
On Thu, 14 Sep 2023, 00:17 Neal Gompa, wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 7:02 PM Steven A. Falco
> wrote:
> >
> > On 9/13/23 05:23 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > Right. And I want to stress we are not dropping support for X11
> > > applications. Anything running as an X client in a desktop should
Am Mi., 13. Sept. 2023 um 23:29 Uhr schrieb Neal Gompa :
>
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 5:24 PM Fabio Valentini wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 11:19 PM Steven A. Falco
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > A question about this - the removal of X11 is listed on a change proposal
> > > for KDE. Does the
On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 19:48 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 7:45 PM Ian Laurie wrote:
> >
> > On 9/14/23 05:58, František Šumšal wrote:
> > > I second this as well. I tried to use Wayland with Plasma, but there's
> > > a weird issue where with a multi-monitor setup, switching
On 9/14/23 09:48, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 7:45 PM Ian Laurie wrote:
I'm an Xfce user so my care factor is minimal. I've not tried Plasma on
Wayland in the 39 branch yet but I do intend to.
Would you please report this to bugs.kde.org if it shows up in Fedora
39 KDE Beta?
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 7:45 PM Ian Laurie wrote:
>
> On 9/14/23 05:58, František Šumšal wrote:
> > I second this as well. I tried to use Wayland with Plasma, but there's
> > a weird issue where with a multi-monitor setup, switching focus from
>
> I have repeatedly tried Plasma on Wayland as
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 7:02 PM Steven A. Falco wrote:
On 9/13/23 05:23 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
Right. And I want to stress we are not dropping support for X11
applications. Anything running as an X client in a desktop should work
as it has before.
I'm
On 9/14/23 05:58, František Šumšal wrote:
I second this as well. I tried to use Wayland with Plasma, but there's
a weird issue where with a multi-monitor setup, switching focus from
I have repeatedly tried Plasma on Wayland as VirtualBox guests and it
simply doesn't work. There is a weird 10
On 9/13/23 07:16 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 7:02 PM Steven A. Falco wrote:
On 9/13/23 05:23 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
Right. And I want to stress we are not dropping support for X11
applications. Anything running as an X client in a desktop should work
as it has before.
I'm
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 7:02 PM Steven A. Falco wrote:
>
> On 9/13/23 05:23 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > Right. And I want to stress we are not dropping support for X11
> > applications. Anything running as an X client in a desktop should work
> > as it has before.
>
> I'm not convinced KiCad will
On 9/13/23 05:23 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
Right. And I want to stress we are not dropping support for X11
applications. Anything running as an X client in a desktop should work
as it has before.
I'm not convinced KiCad will work in that scenario, so please let me summarize
what I've read here,
Neal Gompa wrote:
> Right. And I want to stress we are not dropping support for X11
> applications. Anything running as an X client in a desktop should work
> as it has before.
Should. But that does not necessarily mean it actually does.
Kevin Kofler
Fabio Valentini wrote:
> I doubt that the intention is to drop X11 sessions entirely and make
> "Plasma Wayland" the only session available on Fedora *in general*,
> but rather that the "Plasma X11" session will be dropped, and that
> "Plasma Wayland" will be the only *Plasma* session available.
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 5:24 PM Fabio Valentini wrote:
>
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 11:19 PM Steven A. Falco
> wrote:
> >
> > A question about this - the removal of X11 is listed on a change proposal
> > for KDE. Does the removal just apply to KDE or would it be distribution
> > wide; i.e.
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 2:46 PM David Edmundson
wrote:
>
> > will also include dropping support for the X11 session entirely
> > I'm more than a bit concerned about dropping X11
>
> It's important that we separate dropping an X11 session and dropping
> X11 (xwayland). They're two very different
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 11:19 PM Steven A. Falco wrote:
>
> A question about this - the removal of X11 is listed on a change proposal for
> KDE. Does the removal just apply to KDE or would it be distribution wide;
> i.e. affecting all desktops?
I assume the following is not meant literally:
On 9/13/23 12:10 PM, Steven A. Falco wrote:
On 9/13/23 11:53 AM, Aoife Moloney wrote:
Wiki https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KDE_Plasma_6
== Summary ==
KDE Plasma 6 is successor to KDE Plasma 5 created by the KDE
Community. It is based on Qt 6 and KDE Frameworks 6 and brings many
On 9/13/23 21:50, Sérgio Basto wrote:
On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 19:52 +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
For Fedora Linux, the transition to KDE Plasma 6 will also include
dropping support for the X11 session entirely, leaving only Plasma
Wayland
as the sole offered desktop mode.
Huh?! Why?!
On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 19:52 +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> > For Fedora Linux, the transition to KDE Plasma 6 will also include
> > dropping support for the X11 session entirely, leaving only Plasma
> > Wayland
> > as the sole offered desktop mode.
>
> Huh?! Why?! KDE upstream is still
Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
>> For Fedora Linux, the transition to KDE Plasma 6 will also include
>> dropping support for the X11 session entirely, leaving only Plasma
>> Wayland as the sole offered desktop mode.
>
> Huh?! Why?! KDE upstream is still supporting X11 in Plasma 6. I see no
>
> For Fedora Linux, the transition to KDE Plasma 6 will also include
> dropping support for the X11 session entirely, leaving only Plasma Wayland
> as the sole offered desktop mode.
Huh?! Why?! KDE upstream is still supporting X11 in Plasma 6. I see no
reason to force Wayland upon all users. I
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 12:12 PM Steven A. Falco wrote:
>
> On 9/13/23 11:53 AM, Aoife Moloney wrote:
> > Wiki https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KDE_Plasma_6
>
> > == Summary ==
> > KDE Plasma 6 is successor to KDE Plasma 5 created by the KDE
> > Community. It is based on Qt 6 and KDE
On 9/13/23 11:53 AM, Aoife Moloney wrote:
Wiki https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KDE_Plasma_6
== Summary ==
KDE Plasma 6 is successor to KDE Plasma 5 created by the KDE
Community. It is based on Qt 6 and KDE Frameworks 6 and brings many
changes and improvements over previous versions.
The discussion thread to provide feedback for this change proposal can be found
here
https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f40-change-proposal-kde-plasma-6-system-wide/89794/1
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