Re: FESCo wants to know what you use i686 packages for

Same here. To be honest, most older games still use 32-bit binaries (even some more recent ones). That's one of the reasons why Windows will prolly never remove WoW64. Or at least for an extremely long time still. Le lun. 16 janv. 2023, 18 h 13, Arthur Bols a écrit : > On 17/03/2022 10:49,

Re: FESCo wants to know what you use i686 packages for

On 17/03/2022 10:49, Matyáš Kroupa wrote: Hi, I use wine and steam (and some libraries which are required to run them) with total of 254 i686 packages. Matyáš I'm also using them for wine and steam. -- Arthur Bols fas/irc: principis ___ devel

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On 16. 03. 22 15:15, Miro Hrončok wrote: On 16. 03. 22 14:54, David Cantrell wrote: Hi, Our most recent FESCo meeting involved discussing the proposal to drop i686 builds of jdk8,11,17 from Fedora 37 onward.  The topic quickly changed to the larger question of "what do people use i686 packages

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On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 at 14:25, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 09:54:12AM -0400, David Cantrell wrote: > > If you use i686 packages for something now, please respond to this thread. > > I use {glibc{,-devel,-static},{gmp,mpfr,libmpc}{,-devel}}.i686 for > development and testing of

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It seems like my needs are pretty common: Steam, Wine, misc games (OpenGL, SDL, maybe vulkan, XWayland). ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct:

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One more update. On Wed, 2022-04-06 at 16:24 +, Nathanael Noblet wrote: > Hello, > >    I didn't think I needed i386 personally. In fact due to this > thread I removed many i386 packages left on my machine. Just today I > plugged in an 'IronKey' device. Its an encrypted USB drive. When >

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Hello, I didn't think I needed i386 personally. In fact due to this thread I removed many i386 packages left on my machine. Just today I plugged in an 'IronKey' device. Its an encrypted USB drive. When plugged in a read only like mount is mounted, like a CD. On it is a binary to unlock the

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I know for a fact you need at least a few i686 packages to run games on Lutris as well (Blizzard Agent/Overwatch being one) On 3/23/22 08:03, Germano Massullo wrote: All these are somehow related to Steam and x86 32 bit games # rpm -qa | grep 686 | sort alsa-lib-1.2.6.1-3.fc35.i686

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All these are somehow related to Steam and x86 32 bit games # rpm -qa | grep 686 | sort alsa-lib-1.2.6.1-3.fc35.i686 atk-2.36.0-4.fc35.i686 at-spi2-atk-2.38.0-3.fc35.i686 at-spi2-atk-debuginfo-2.38.0-3.fc35.i686 at-spi2-atk-debugsource-2.38.0-3.fc35.i686 at-spi2-core-2.42.0-1.fc35.i686

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Stijn Hoop via devel wrote: > This is because not even the basic functions work correctly using the > out-of-the-box support -- the whole "printing options" page is blank. > > I'm not sure if this is an error on the GNOME side or on the Brother > side, … if it is even an error at all. AirPrint

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Hi, On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 00:57 +0100 Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > Steven Ellis wrote: > > The issue on our home systems is 3rd party printer drivers. > > > > Eg > > mfc9140cdncupswrapper-1.1.4-0.i386 > > dcpj4120dwlpr-3.0.1-1.i386 > > dcpj4120dwcupswrapper-3.0.1-1.i386 > >

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Stijn Hoop via devel wrote: > As many others, I need 32-bit printer drivers for my ~10 year old color > laser: > > $ rpm -qa | grep i686 > libgcc-11.2.1-9.fc35.i686 > glibc-gconv-extra-2.34-28.fc35.i686 > glibc-2.34-28.fc35.i686 > brother-hl-l8250cdn-1.0-2.fc35.i686 According to

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Steven Ellis wrote: > The issue on our home systems is 3rd party printer drivers. > > Eg > mfc9140cdncupswrapper-1.1.4-0.i386 > dcpj4120dwlpr-3.0.1-1.i386 > dcpj4120dwcupswrapper-3.0.1-1.i386 > mfc9140cdnlpr-1.1.2-1.i386 > > These then pull in a whole load of dependencies relating to CUPs etc.

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I have ~230 i686 RPMs on my F34 system dedicated purely to gaming. Names I recognize are Wine and Steam. For the rest I can't tell whether they are just dependencies of those two, or something else. I have zero i686 RPMs on my F35 system dedicated purely to work. -- Michal Schorm Software

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On 3/20/22 04:38 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 12:30:52AM -, Steven Ellis wrote: The issue on our home systems is 3rd party printer drivers. Eg mfc9140cdncupswrapper-1.1.4-0.i386 dcpj4120dwlpr-3.0.1-1.i386 dcpj4120dwcupswrapper-3.0.1-1.i386

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On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 12:30:52AM -, Steven Ellis wrote: > The issue on our home systems is 3rd party printer drivers. > > Eg > mfc9140cdncupswrapper-1.1.4-0.i386 > dcpj4120dwlpr-3.0.1-1.i386 > dcpj4120dwcupswrapper-3.0.1-1.i386 > mfc9140cdnlpr-1.1.2-1.i386 Could you show 'rpm -qR

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Hi, On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 09:54:12 -0400 David Cantrell wrote: > If you use i686 packages for something now, please respond to this > thread. As many others, I need 32-bit printer drivers for my ~10 year old color laser: $ rpm -qa | grep i686 libgcc-11.2.1-9.fc35.i686

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On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 9:54 AM David Cantrell wrote: > > Hi, > > Our most recent FESCo meeting involved discussing the proposal to drop i686 > builds of jdk8,11,17 from Fedora 37 onward. The topic quickly changed to the > larger question of "what do people use i686 packages for?" > > Rather

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On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 2:56 PM David Cantrell wrote: > If you use i686 packages for something now, please respond to this thread. > There are some game-related packages (not dependencies) which need to be installed as i686 so that they can apply to 32bit games. I know of the following: *

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On 3/17/22 18:14, Carlos "casep" Sepulveda wrote: On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 at 13:55, David Cantrell > wrote: If you use i686 packages for something now, please respond to this thread. steam / wine Ditto. Not very often perhaps but that's the primary case.

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On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 9:54 AM David Cantrell wrote: > > Hi, > > Our most recent FESCo meeting involved discussing the proposal to drop i686 > builds of jdk8,11,17 from Fedora 37 onward. The topic quickly changed to the > larger question of "what do people use i686 packages for?" > > Rather

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The issue on our home systems is 3rd party printer drivers. Eg mfc9140cdncupswrapper-1.1.4-0.i386 dcpj4120dwlpr-3.0.1-1.i386 dcpj4120dwcupswrapper-3.0.1-1.i386 mfc9140cdnlpr-1.1.2-1.i386 These then pull in a whole load of dependencies relating to CUPs etc.

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On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 at 13:55, David Cantrell wrote: > > If you use i686 packages for something now, please respond to this thread. > > steam / wine -- "Never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force;

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I use wine and would need 32bit gstreamer; base, good, bad, ugly and libav for some Visual Novels that use MPEG for video. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora

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Am 16.03.22 um 14:54 schrieb David Cantrell: If you use i686 packages for something now, please respond to this thread. mainly for Wine 32 bit compatibility, which is still a think with windows-software today :( Best regards, Marius ___ devel

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The i686 packages I use are: gamemode, gperftools-devel (to provide a working version of libtcmalloc_minimal), SDL2, steam, and their dependencies. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

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On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 6:25 AM Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 11:10:12AM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > > * Richard W. M. Jones: > > > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 07:27:05PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > > >> Native compilation on 32-bit is a dead end. > > > > > > And

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Hi, > > +1 on cross-compilation. Native compilation on 32-bit is a dead end. > > Cross-compilation isn't really practical for RPMs the way we do things > now. We would have to go all-in the way OpenSUSE has done, but that's > a huge change. cross builds is a thing for kernel and firmware

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On 17/03/2022 11:24, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: This is true, but what proportion of packages does this really affect? Telegram Desktop (and tdlib) requires more than 16 GB of RAM. -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org) ___ devel

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On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 6:25 AM Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 11:10:12AM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > > * Richard W. M. Jones: > > > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 07:27:05PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > > >> Native compilation on 32-bit is a dead end. > > > > > > And

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On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 11:10:12AM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Richard W. M. Jones: > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 07:27:05PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > >> Native compilation on 32-bit is a dead end. > > > > And I was going to add that this is wrong - 32 bit chroots running on > > 64

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* Daniel P. Berrangé: > Yes, I wouldn't bother thinking about cross compilation using Fedora, > except for mingw. For Linux cross compilation it is easier to use > Debian in a container from your Fedora host. > > You can install library / devel packages from any Debian architecture > no matter

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* Richard W. M. Jones: > On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 07:27:05PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: >> Native compilation on 32-bit is a dead end. > > And I was going to add that this is wrong - 32 bit chroots running on > 64 bit hosts work fine and run at full speed. No, not for everyone, they don't.

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Hi, I use wine and steam (and some libraries which are required to run them) with total of 254 i686 packages. Matyáš ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code

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On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 09:07:50AM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 07:27:05PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > > On 3/16/22 10:35, Robbie Harwood wrote: > > > David Cantrell writes: > > > > > >> Why? Since the removal of the i686 kernel in Fedora, we want to > > >>

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On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 07:27:05PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > Native compilation on 32-bit is a dead end. And I was going to add that this is wrong - 32 bit chroots running on 64 bit hosts work fine and run at full speed. (Or 32 bit VMs, but you need to still build kernel.i686 which we

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On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 07:27:05PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > On 3/16/22 10:35, Robbie Harwood wrote: > > David Cantrell writes: > > > >> Why? Since the removal of the i686 kernel in Fedora, we want to > >> reduce the number of i686 packages provided in the repo. As time > >> marches

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On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 09:54:12AM -0400, David Cantrell wrote: > If you use i686 packages for something now, please respond to this thread. (1) To compile 32 bit binaries using gcc -m32. Note that I don't actually care about using these binaries, I use them only to run the test suite for

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On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 9:34 PM laolux laolux via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Hi, > > could you just post some magic dnf command to check which i686 packages > are currently installed? Then many less savvy users could simply check what > packages are currently installed on

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Hi, could you just post some magic dnf command to check which i686 packages are currently installed? Then many less savvy users could simply check what packages are currently installed on their systems. Maybe something like `dnf repoquery --installed |grep i686` works, but I think I have no

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On 3/16/22 10:35, Robbie Harwood wrote: > David Cantrell writes: > >> Why? Since the removal of the i686 kernel in Fedora, we want to >> reduce the number of i686 packages provided in the repo. As time >> marches on, the ability to build a lot of things for i686 becomes >> unrealistic or even

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On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 02:11:23PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 1:37 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 12:54:23PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 11:55 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >

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On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 1:37 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 12:54:23PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 11:55 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 09:54:12AM -0400, David Cantrell wrote: > > > > If

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On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 12:54:23PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 11:55 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 09:54:12AM -0400, David Cantrell wrote: > > > If you use i686 packages for something now, please respond to this thread. > > > > I

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On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 8:54 AM David Cantrell wrote: > > Hi, > > Our most recent FESCo meeting involved discussing the proposal to drop i686 > builds of jdk8,11,17 from Fedora 37 onward. The topic quickly changed to the > larger question of "what do people use i686 packages for?" As it turns

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On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 11:55 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 09:54:12AM -0400, David Cantrell wrote: > > If you use i686 packages for something now, please respond to this thread. > > I use i686 versions of libraries to do local 32-bit builds of C > software I'm

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I have a bunch of old Loki game ports I'd prefer keep working. I also have some backburner projects that need enough 32-bit userspace to run old binary drivers, but tbh it's probably easier to just use like el7 for that at this point. To the extent we keep i686 builds [1] I really think they need

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Felix Schwarz writes: > I use wine and lutris (+ 32bit mingw packages). Yes, same here ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct:

Re: FESCo wants to know what you use i686 packages for

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 09:54:12AM -0400, David Cantrell wrote: > If you use i686 packages for something now, please respond to this thread. I use i686 versions of libraries to do local 32-bit builds of C software I'm developing. (Something like 'sudo dnf install lib{one,two}-devel.i686 && meson

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On Wed, 2022-03-16 at 15:24 +0100, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 09:54:12AM -0400, David Cantrell wrote: > > If you use i686 packages for something now, please respond to this thread. > > I use {glibc{,-devel,-static},{gmp,mpfr,libmpc}{,-devel}}.i686 for > development and testing

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If you use i686 packages for something now, please respond to this thread. I use glibc.i686 and libgcc.i686 to support customers whose i686 machines have not yet died. (Some are about 12 years old, and expected live another 3 years. The ability to use almost 4GB of address space when running

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I'm not sure if I use any i686 executables, but I sure do use i686 builds of libraries for cross-compiling. By which I mean both i686-linux and i686-win32. A.FI. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

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David Cantrell writes: > Why? Since the removal of the i686 kernel in Fedora, we want to > reduce the number of i686 packages provided in the repo. As time > marches on, the ability to build a lot of things for i686 becomes > unrealistic or even impossible. Remember it goes beyond providing >

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On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 09:54:12AM -0400, David Cantrell wrote: > If you use i686 packages for something now, please respond to this thread. I use {glibc{,-devel,-static},{gmp,mpfr,libmpc}{,-devel}}.i686 for development and testing of GCC, even in Fedora packages I'd strongly prefer to keep the

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On Wednesday, 16 March 2022 at 14:54, David Cantrell wrote: > Hi, > > Our most recent FESCo meeting involved discussing the proposal to drop i686 > builds of jdk8,11,17 from Fedora 37 onward. The topic quickly changed to the > larger question of "what do people use i686 packages for?" > >

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On 16. 03. 22 14:54, David Cantrell wrote: Hi, Our most recent FESCo meeting involved discussing the proposal to drop i686 builds of jdk8,11,17 from Fedora 37 onward. The topic quickly changed to the larger question of "what do people use i686 packages for?" Rather than guess, we wanted to

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On 3/16/22 09:57 AM, Felix Schwarz wrote: I use wine and lutris (+ 32bit mingw packages). wine is also the big one for me. On my system, roughly 1000 executables (exe and dll) are PE32 (32 bit), and another 1000 executables are PE32+ (64 bit). Steve

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On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 09:54:12AM -0400, David Cantrell wrote: > If you use i686 packages for something now, please respond to this thread. Steam requires some i686 libs, but frankly I haven't run it recently due to Stadia. -- Tomasz Torcz “God, root, what's the difference?”

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I use wine and lutris (+ 32bit mingw packages). ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct:

FESCo wants to know what you use i686 packages for

Hi, Our most recent FESCo meeting involved discussing the proposal to drop i686 builds of jdk8,11,17 from Fedora 37 onward. The topic quickly changed to the larger question of "what do people use i686 packages for?" Rather than guess, we wanted to ask the community what you use i686 packages