On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 10:48 AM Chris Murphy wrote:
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> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 2:24 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
> wrote:
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>> On 31.12.2020 13:36, Javier Martinez Canillas wrote:
>> > I'll update the proposal based on the feedback.
>>
>> And what about users, who use Fedora with other
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 2:24 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel <
devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> On 31.12.2020 13:36, Javier Martinez Canillas wrote:
> > I'll update the proposal based on the feedback.
>
> And what about users, who use Fedora with other GNU/Linux distributions?
> These
On 31.12.2020 13:36, Javier Martinez Canillas wrote:
I'll update the proposal based on the feedback.
And what about users, who use Fedora with other GNU/Linux distributions?
These distributions can also switch to the same GRUB2 configuration.
They will all start fighting for the same file.
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 12:35 AM Guido Aulisi wrote:
> IMHO boot loaders should not write to filesystems, if this is needed to
> hide the GRUB menu when boot is successful, then let's display it
> always as it was one time. I don't think it we should follow Windows or
> MacOS style here, the boot
Hi,
Il giorno mer, 13/01/2021 alle 13.46 -0700, Chris Murphy ha scritto:
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 8:48 PM Michel Alexandre Salim
> wrote:
... snip
> There are separate issues.
>
> grubenv is "OK" on ext4 and XFS. The issue is that none of the file
> systems developers like anything other
Once upon a time, Chris Murphy said:
> The issue with journaled file systems is that GRUB's file system
> drivers have no ability to do journal replay. Therefore there is a
> small risk the file system is rendered unbootable in a crash, because
> the bootloader only sees the no-replay state of
On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 10:06 PM Javier Martinez Canillas
wrote:
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> The thing is that implementing this proposal should be straightforward
> and something that could be done for F34 but solving the grubenv issue
> will require more time, since we first will need to agree with GRUB
> upstream on
On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 8:48 PM Michel Alexandre Salim
wrote:
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> Hi,
>
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> On Tue, 2021-01-12 at 19:56 +0100, Hans de Goede wrote:
> > So I've read Neal's comment there and what he describes really
> > is a special corner case, but yes it is possible for people to have
> > created the special
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 4:48 AM Michel Alexandre Salim
wrote:
[snip]
> > As discussed in detail here:
> > https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/206
> > we really should be moving away from that. As discussed there Suse
> > already has grub-patches to instead store the grubenv in an part of
On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 8:24 PM Brian C. Lane wrote:
[snip]
> >
> > The `$prefix` variable will be set to the device partition where
> > `/boot/grub2/grub.cfg` is stored, using the partition filesystem's
> > Universally Unique IDentifier (UUID). That way the correct GRUB
> > configuration file
Hi,
On Tue, 2021-01-12 at 19:56 +0100, Hans de Goede wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 1/12/21 5:55 PM, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Thanks for the thorough reply, Hans! One question inline
> >
> > On Tue, 2021-01-05 at 12:31 +0100, Hans de Goede wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On 12/30/20
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 02:53:00PM -0500, Ben Cotton wrote:
[snip]
> The proposal is to always store the `grub.cfg` and `grubenv` files in
> the `/boot/grub2/` directory, making `/boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg`
> to only be a small configuration file that sets a different `$prefix`
> variable and
Hi,
On 1/12/21 5:55 PM, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for the thorough reply, Hans! One question inline
>
> On Tue, 2021-01-05 at 12:31 +0100, Hans de Goede wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 12/30/20 11:52 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
>>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 5:48 PM Marius Schwarz <
>>>
Hi,
Thanks for the thorough reply, Hans! One question inline
On Tue, 2021-01-05 at 12:31 +0100, Hans de Goede wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 12/30/20 11:52 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 5:48 PM Marius Schwarz <
> > fedora...@cloud-foo.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > Am 30.12.20 um 22:14
On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 06:28:22PM +0800, Qiyu Yan wrote:
> Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
> 于2020年12月31日周四 下午6:12写道：
> >
> > On 30.12.2020 20:53, Ben Cotton wrote:
> > > This change makes the GRUB configuration files layout to be consistent
> > > across all the supported architectures. Currently EFI
Hi,
On 12/30/20 11:52 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 5:48 PM Marius Schwarz wrote:
>>
>> Am 30.12.20 um 22:14 schrieb Michel Alexandre Salim:
>>> - a separate partition for storing GRUB config, no matter what
>>> architecture, is probably the ideal solution
>> Not always. In VMs
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/UnifyGrubConfig
== Summary ==
This change makes the GRUB configuration files layout to be consistent
across all the supported architectures. Currently EFI is a special
case since the GRUB configuration file and environment variables block
are stored in the
On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 12:54 PM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
wrote:
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> On 31.12.2020 12:37, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > Of course it could, who do you propose to do that work and support all
> > the various options and code required?
> It can be easily installed during Fedora installation by
Hello Tomasz,
On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 10:55 AM Tomasz Torcz wrote:
[snip]
> > I think either never fixing this, or never updating systems to the
> > "new way" are both untenable. We saw with the BLS switch many users
> > depend on doing in place upgrades. Many were pushing 4 or more years.
>
>
Hello Chris,
Thanks a lot for the comments.
On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 1:02 AM Chris Murphy wrote:
[snip]
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> That problem was the result of quite old core.img in the MBR gap (or
> BIOS Boot partition). As that change simultaneously depended on
> shipping a new GRUB module without a way to
On 31.12.2020 12:37, Peter Robinson wrote:
Of course it could, who do you propose to do that work and support all
the various options and code required?
It can be easily installed during Fedora installation by executing the
following:
1. Make sure the ESP partition has more than 512 MB of
On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 11:29 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
wrote:
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> On 31.12.2020 11:50, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > Because it doesn't support traditional BIOS boot, or the boot systems
> > of POWER, Z-series and numerous other corner cases. Just look at the
> > thread about BIOS support from a
On 31.12.2020 11:50, Peter Robinson wrote:
Because it doesn't support traditional BIOS boot, or the boot systems
of POWER, Z-series and numerous other corner cases. Just look at the
thread about BIOS support from a few months ago to see how
controversial even considering that was. If we then
On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 10:10 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
wrote:
>
> On 30.12.2020 20:53, Ben Cotton wrote:
> > This change makes the GRUB configuration files layout to be consistent
> > across all the supported architectures. Currently EFI is a special
> > case since the GRUB configuration file
On 31.12.2020 11:28, Qiyu Yan wrote:
iirc systemd-boot don't support legacy BIOS system.
Yes of course. Systemd-boot is not a bootloader. It is an EFIStub kernel
manager with a simple menu.
I've been using systemd-boot for over 1.5 years and it works great.
It can only be enabled for
Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
于2020年12月31日周四 下午6:12写道：
>
> On 30.12.2020 20:53, Ben Cotton wrote:
> > This change makes the GRUB configuration files layout to be consistent
> > across all the supported architectures. Currently EFI is a special
> > case since the GRUB configuration file and environment
On 30.12.2020 20:53, Ben Cotton wrote:
The proposal is to always store the `grub.cfg` and `grubenv` files in
the `/boot/grub2/` directory, making `/boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg`
to only be a small configuration file that sets a different `$prefix`
variable and loads the configuration file stored
On 30.12.2020 20:53, Ben Cotton wrote:
This change makes the GRUB configuration files layout to be consistent
across all the supported architectures. Currently EFI is a special
case since the GRUB configuration file and environment variables block
are stored in the EFI System Partition (ESP)
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 05:08:03PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > Upgrades of customized configurations that deviate significantly from
> > defaults aren't supported. It's best effort. We can't be blocking on
> > people's customizations.
> >
> > I think we can come pretty close to atomically
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 5:01 PM Chris Murphy wrote:
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> On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 2:09 PM Javier Martinez Canillas
> wrote:
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> > On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 9:22 PM Adam Williamson
> > wrote:
>
> > > * We wouldn't have a "consistent configuration" across everybody,
> > > really, because anyone who
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 2:09 PM Javier Martinez Canillas
wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 9:22 PM Adam Williamson
> wrote:
> > * We wouldn't have a "consistent configuration" across everybody,
> > really, because anyone who upgraded from pre-F34 would still have the
> > old config; every
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 5:48 PM Marius Schwarz wrote:
>
> Am 30.12.20 um 22:14 schrieb Michel Alexandre Salim:
> > - a separate partition for storing GRUB config, no matter what
> > architecture, is probably the ideal solution
> Not always. In VMs you would reduce the amount of partitions to ease
Am 30.12.20 um 22:14 schrieb Michel Alexandre Salim:
- a separate partition for storing GRUB config, no matter what
architecture, is probably the ideal solution
Not always. In VMs you would reduce the amount of partitions to ease up
things. The main problem with Vms is, that you have LTS based
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 10:08:31PM +0100, Javier Martinez Canillas wrote:
> That's why I went with the conservative approach of only do this for
> new installs, to prevent breaking users configuration (or even worse,
> their booting). Maybe a middle ground could be to provide a tool for
> users to
On Wed, 2020-12-30 at 12:21 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2020-12-30 at 14:53 -0500, Ben Cotton wrote:
> > == Benefit to Fedora ==
> >
> > This change will not only simplify and make less confusing the GRUB
> > configuration but also allow the following improvements:
> >
> > * To have
Hello Adam,
Thanks a lot for your feedback.
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 9:22 PM Adam Williamson
wrote:
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[snip]
> > == Upgrade/compatibility impact ==
> >
> > The changes will only be for new installations, existing systems will
> > not be impacted and will continue using the grub.cfg and grubenv
On Wed, 2020-12-30 at 14:53 -0500, Ben Cotton wrote:
> == Benefit to Fedora ==
>
> This change will not only simplify and make less confusing the GRUB
> configuration but also allow the following improvements:
>
> * To have a consistent configuration across all the architectures using GRUB.
> *
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/UnifyGrubConfig
== Summary ==
This change makes the GRUB configuration files layout to be consistent
across all the supported architectures. Currently EFI is a special
case since the GRUB configuration file and environment variables block
are stored in the
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