Re: Fedora Jam switch to GNOME

2020-06-12 Thread Erich Eickmeyer
Hello everyone, After lengthy consideration, I have decided *not* to move Fedora Jam to GNOME from Plasma for the time being. However, I'd appreciate a lot of testing with pipewire on both Workstation and Jam, as would the pipewire team. Remember, the Jam packages can be installed regardless of

Re: Fedora Jam switch to GNOME

2020-06-11 Thread Yann Collette
Thanks for the Link. I use the RT Kernel just for music. For standard desktop tasks, I switch to the official Fedora Kernel. With the standard Fedora Kernel, I've got too many xruns, that's why I decided to test RT Kernel. Le 11/06/2020 à 22:47, Erich Eickmeyer a écrit : Hi Yann, On

Re: Fedora Jam switch to GNOME

2020-06-11 Thread Erich Eickmeyer
Hi Yann, On 6/11/20 10:50 AM, Yann COLLETTE wrote: > Hello, > > I have a repository with a real time kernel I use for music. > https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/ycollet/linuxmao/ > > With this kernel, I can 128 samples buffer at 48kHz and 5 ms latency > without Xruns. > I use "a lot" of

Re: Fedora Jam switch to GNOME

2020-06-11 Thread Yann COLLETTE
Hello, I have a repository with a real time kernel I use for music. https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/ycollet/linuxmao/ With this kernel, I can 128 samples buffer at 48kHz and 5 ms latency without Xruns. I use "a lot" of applications to perform guitar (guitarix + tuxguitar). I also can

Re: Fedora Jam switch to GNOME

2020-06-11 Thread Erich Eickmeyer
On 6/11/20 10:33 AM, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > > "The beatings will continue until morale improves" ? > No. The only way to provide feedback to improve something is to actually *use* the product. Yelling and screaming if you're not actually using it does nothing to improve it. signature.asc

Re: Fedora Jam switch to GNOME

2020-06-11 Thread Jonathan Wakely
On 10/06/20 09:09 -0700, er...@ericheickmeyer.com wrote: Hi all, I'm considering moving Fedora Jam from KDE Plasma to GNOME. There are multiple reasons for this, and I think part of it would be beneficial to the overall GNOME and Fedora communities as it would be a way to be helping improve the

Re: Fedora Jam switch to GNOME

2020-06-11 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 09:09:28AM -0700, er...@ericheickmeyer.com wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm considering moving Fedora Jam from KDE Plasma to GNOME. There are > multiple reasons for this, and I think part of it would be beneficial > to the overall GNOME and Fedora communities as it would be a way

Re: Fedora Jam switch to GNOME

2020-06-11 Thread Sam Varshavchik
er...@ericheickmeyer.com writes: Anyhow, I'd love to see a discussion about this as well as any guidance toward making this change. I know there would have to be a new kickstart along with Koji pointing toward said kickstart. I could make the kickstart, but I think I'd need Koji to look for it.

Re: Fedora Jam switch to GNOME

2020-06-11 Thread Lukas Ruzicka
Hi Erich, so today I spent some time in the recording session with the following settings and configurations: - The machine is 2x 12core Intel Xeon with an SSD drive and 32GB RAM - I know that this is a recording overkill and I am not sure how much the machine itself can influence the

Re: Fedora Jam switch to GNOME

2020-06-10 Thread Harsh Jain
Hi Erich , Sorry , I thought the primary focus was to find a new de to shift to . Improving Gnome in terms of reducing resource usage (and in general ) seems pretty nice . I'd be happy to have another de I can work smoothly with :) This might not be relevant but if you install pantheon de , you

Re: Fedora Jam switch to GNOME

2020-06-10 Thread Lukas Ruzicka
> > This is exactly the kind of feedback i'm looking for. Thanks! I do know > that under Plasma and Xfce I've seen < 2ms latency with the right > hardware (PCI cards, primarily). I've been able to push my Behringer > UMC404HD (a USB interface) under 10 before. I have yet to do any formal > testing

Re: Fedora Jam switch to GNOME

2020-06-10 Thread erich
Hi Lukas, On Wed, 2020-06-10 at 19:36 +0200, Lukas Ruzicka wrote: > Hello, > > I am using Fedora Workstation with the stock kernel and Gnome Desktop > for my recording attempts with Ardour. I am using the Focusrite > Scarlett USB sound card and I can get down to 40ms latency without > getting

Re: Fedora Jam switch to GNOME

2020-06-10 Thread erich
Hi Lukas, On Wed, 2020-06-10 at 19:39 +0200, Lukas Ruzicka wrote: > Well, does it mean that PipeWire is going to replace Jack? Because if > not, > then it is a non-issue for recording anyway. > As I understand it, Pipewire is going to act as a drop-in replacement for Jack and Pulseaudio and be

Re: Fedora Jam switch to GNOME

2020-06-10 Thread erich
Hi Kalev, On Wed, 2020-06-10 at 19:20 +0200, Kalev Lember wrote: > Hi Erich, > > I think this is a great idea -- thanks for getting the discussion > started! > > I've always found it weird that the Jam spin is based on another > desktop, different from what Fedora Workstation uses. I think it >

Re: Fedora Jam switch to GNOME

2020-06-10 Thread Lukas Ruzicka
offering. That's less about GNOME vs KDE and more about PipeWire still > needing work to be broadly adopted. > > Well, does it mean that PipeWire is going to replace Jack? Because if not, then it is a non-issue for recording anyway. > > > -- > 真実はいつも一つ!/ Always, there's only one truth! >

Re: Fedora Jam switch to GNOME

2020-06-10 Thread Lukas Ruzicka
Hello, I am using Fedora Workstation with the stock kernel and Gnome Desktop for my recording attempts with Ardour. I am using the Focusrite Scarlett USB sound card and I can get down to 40ms latency without getting any xruns (a couple of releases back, it was an xrun hell). I am aware that the

Re: Fedora Jam switch to GNOME

2020-06-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 1:29 PM wrote: > > Hi Kalev, > > On Wed, 2020-06-10 at 19:20 +0200, Kalev Lember wrote: > > Hi Erich, > > > > I think this is a great idea -- thanks for getting the discussion > > started! > > > > I've always found it weird that the Jam spin is based on another > >

Re: Fedora Jam switch to GNOME

2020-06-10 Thread Kalev Lember
Hi Erich, I think this is a great idea -- thanks for getting the discussion started! I've always found it weird that the Jam spin is based on another desktop, different from what Fedora Workstation uses. I think it makes a lot of sense to switch over and try to improve the audio issues in GNOME.

Re: Fedora Jam switch to GNOME

2020-06-10 Thread erich
Hi Iñaki On Wed, 2020-06-10 at 18:52 +0200, Iñaki Ucar wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 18:46, Neal Gompa wrote: > > I would personally be very sad if Fedora Jam switched from KDE to > > GNOME. To me, KDE has always been the home for creatives, and it > > shows > > with the excellent Qt/KDE based

Re: Fedora Jam switch to GNOME

2020-06-10 Thread erich
Hi Neal, On Wed, 2020-06-10 at 12:44 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 12:10 PM wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm considering moving Fedora Jam from KDE Plasma to GNOME. There > > are > > multiple reasons for this, and I think part of it would be > > beneficial > > to the overall

Re: Fedora Jam switch to GNOME

2020-06-10 Thread Iñaki Ucar
On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 18:46, Neal Gompa wrote: > > I would personally be very sad if Fedora Jam switched from KDE to > GNOME. To me, KDE has always been the home for creatives, and it shows > with the excellent Qt/KDE based software for auditory and visual > creativity. From my perspective, KDE

Re: Fedora Jam switch to GNOME

2020-06-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 12:10 PM wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm considering moving Fedora Jam from KDE Plasma to GNOME. There are > multiple reasons for this, and I think part of it would be beneficial > to the overall GNOME and Fedora communities as it would be a way to be > helping improve the

Re: Fedora Jam switch to GNOME

2020-06-10 Thread erich
On Wed, 2020-06-10 at 22:01 +0530, Harsh Jain wrote: > Hi , > I'm not too familiar with Fedora Jam but if you want to minimize > resource usage , shouldn't XFCE be a better choice since it's less > intensive with resources . Although Gnome has also reduced resource > usage since initial 3.x

Re: Fedora Jam switch to GNOME

2020-06-10 Thread Harsh Jain
Hi , I'm not too familiar with Fedora Jam but if you want to minimize resource usage , shouldn't XFCE be a better choice since it's less intensive with resources . Although Gnome has also reduced resource usage since initial 3.x releases as well I think . It's just really hard to decide between

Fedora Jam switch to GNOME

2020-06-10 Thread erich
Hi all, I'm considering moving Fedora Jam from KDE Plasma to GNOME. There are multiple reasons for this, and I think part of it would be beneficial to the overall GNOME and Fedora communities as it would be a way to be helping improve the situation in GNOME that exist as the biggest objections