Re: Impact of dropping QEMU emulation on 32-bit hosts ? (~Fedora 33)

2019-10-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 20:10, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > What do you mean by breaking breaking because you use that term like a > > sledge hammer for anything from a 'pixel off' bug to 'too old software > > is in repos', 'too young software is in repos' , 'software is

Re: Impact of dropping QEMU emulation on 32-bit hosts ? (~Fedora 33)

2019-10-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > What do you mean by breaking breaking because you use that term like a > sledge hammer for anything from a 'pixel off' bug to 'too old software > is in repos', 'too young software is in repos' , 'software is not in > repos' to 'can't boot'. After a while, I assumed

Re: Impact of dropping QEMU emulation on 32-bit hosts ? (~Fedora 33)

2019-10-03 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 05:50, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > OK at the moment it looks like we seem to average 311,000 ip addresses > > per day doing a daily checkin for Fedora. Out of those ~13,400 are > > x86_32. The majority of the x86_32 are pre-F28 with only about

Re: Impact of dropping QEMU emulation on 32-bit hosts ? (~Fedora 33)

2019-10-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > OK at the moment it looks like we seem to average 311,000 ip addresses > per day doing a daily checkin for Fedora. Out of those ~13,400 are > x86_32. The majority of the x86_32 are pre-F28 with only about 3400 > (about 14% of total x86_32 and ~1% of all Fedora users)

Re: Impact of dropping QEMU emulation on 32-bit hosts ? (~Fedora 33)

2019-10-02 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 12:43, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 04:49:08PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > Perhaps the same reason that many people still run i686 based hardware, and > > will be unable to use Fedora after the release of F31: Why fix what isn't > > broken? >

Re: Impact of dropping QEMU emulation on 32-bit hosts ? (~Fedora 33)

2019-10-02 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Wednesday, October 2, 2019 9:42:57 AM MST Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 04:49:08PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > Perhaps the same reason that many people still run i686 based hardware, > > and will be unable to use Fedora after the release of F31: Why fix what >

Re: Impact of dropping QEMU emulation on 32-bit hosts ? (~Fedora 33)

2019-10-02 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 04:49:08PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > Perhaps the same reason that many people still run i686 based hardware, and > will be unable to use Fedora after the release of F31: Why fix what isn't > broken? But the question is: Are they running qemu on this hardware?

Re: Impact of dropping QEMU emulation on 32-bit hosts ? (~Fedora 33)

2019-09-28 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, September 27, 2019 8:01:42 AM MST Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 10:53:32AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 8:30 AM Daniel P. Berrangé > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 01:26:09PM +0200, Jun Aruga wrote: > > > > > > >

Re: Impact of dropping QEMU emulation on 32-bit hosts ? (~Fedora 33)

2019-09-27 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 10:53:32AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 8:30 AM Daniel P. Berrangé > wrote: > > > > On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 01:26:09PM +0200, Jun Aruga wrote: > > > > Does anyone know of, or have, any critical/important use cases that > > > > would > > > be

Re: Impact of dropping QEMU emulation on 32-bit hosts ? (~Fedora 33)

2019-09-27 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 8:30 AM Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 01:26:09PM +0200, Jun Aruga wrote: > > > Does anyone know of, or have, any critical/important use cases that would > > be disrupted by QEMU dropping 32-bit *host* support ? If so, let me know > > here & I can

Re: Impact of dropping QEMU emulation on 32-bit hosts ? (~Fedora 33)

2019-09-27 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 01:26:09PM +0200, Jun Aruga wrote: > > Does anyone know of, or have, any critical/important use cases that would > be disrupted by QEMU dropping 32-bit *host* support ? If so, let me know > here & I can forward feedback on. Or feel free to go direct to QEMU thread >

Re: Impact of dropping QEMU emulation on 32-bit hosts ? (~Fedora 33)

2019-09-27 Thread Jun Aruga
> For example, how about releasing compat-qemu50 RPM if upstream will > drop armv7 on qemu 6.x? > It's like compat-openssl10 RPM for openssl (version 1.1) RPM. > > Maybe if some RPM packages need armv7 support, they can use > compat-qemu50 conditionally in the spec file. Sorry. Typo.

Re: Impact of dropping QEMU emulation on 32-bit hosts ? (~Fedora 33)

2019-09-27 Thread Jun Aruga
> Does anyone know of, or have, any critical/important use cases that would be disrupted by QEMU dropping 32-bit *host* support ? If so, let me know here & I can forward feedback on. Or feel free to go direct to QEMU thread upstream. I am not a real user of ARM 32-bit. I just checked information

Impact of dropping QEMU emulation on 32-bit hosts ? (~Fedora 33)

2019-09-27 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
The upstream QEMU community is raising the possibility of deprecating, and subsequently deleting, support for running emulation guests on 32-bit *hosts*. Running 32-bit guests would *not* be affected. See this thread: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2019-09/msg06168.html IOW, if